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Nine countries are on the path to complete atheism.
Rational Public Radio ^ | 3/22/11 | Scott Connery

Posted on 03/22/2011 10:28:56 AM PDT by Scottmkiv

It seems like the religion in the U.S. is a juggernaut that will be nigh unstoppable in the next decade or two. It's seemingly impossible to get elected without being openly and devoutly religious. George Bush claimed to receive divine commandments on how to perform his job.

President Obama has made his church attendance receives plenty of attention too. Some question his sincerity, but no one questions that this is the politically smart thing to do.

George Bush famously said that Islam is a religion of peace despite all the evidence to the contrary. 40% of U.S. citizens are strict young earth creationists. There are constant efforts to insert religion into our schools. It's clear that religion has quite a hold on the minds of America.

It's not all bad news though. Even in America Atheism is on the rise. People claiming no religious affiliation constitute the fastest growing religious minority in many countries throughout the world. Americans without religious affiliation comprise the only religious group growing in all 50 states; in 2008 those claiming no religion rose to 15 percent nationwide, with a maximum in Vermont at 34 percent.

However, a recent study has found that 9 countries are on a path to complete atheism. According to the study, Australia, Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland, have ever increasing levels of atheists. The Netherlands had the lowest population of atheists at 40%, and the Czech Republic was the highest at 60%.

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Skeptics/Seekers
KEYWORDS: atheism; atheist; philosophy; secular

1 posted on 03/22/2011 10:29:02 AM PDT by Scottmkiv
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To: Scottmkiv

Already posted here about an hour ago. It’s also wrong as I posted on the earlier thread;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsong_Church


2 posted on 03/22/2011 10:32:12 AM PDT by Grunthor (hcg diet, down 32 lbs in 5 weeks)
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To: Scottmkiv

The fool has said in his heart that there is no God....

Seems being foolish is on the rise.


3 posted on 03/22/2011 10:35:54 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: Scottmkiv
CHRISTIANITY
4 posted on 03/22/2011 10:40:02 AM PDT by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: Scottmkiv

That is terrible news. Good things its probably wrong, except where Islam is taking over.

I guess these guys think the USSR, Red China, North Korea and Hitlers Germany were models we should follow?


5 posted on 03/22/2011 10:42:02 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL
I guess these guys think the USSR, Red China, North Korea and Hitlers Germany were models we should follow?

In general, this was a list of pretty free countries with a high standard of living. We're not talking communism or fascism, but atheism, not the same thing.

6 posted on 03/22/2011 10:49:23 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Scottmkiv

Just because atheism is on the rise in those countries hardly indicates they will become “completely” atheist. Past trends do not always guarantee future performance. If trends always continued, the countries would become “completely” any religion that’s growing.


7 posted on 03/22/2011 10:50:42 AM PDT by NailInACoffin
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To: Scottmkiv
The reason the researchers say the process will be non-linear (a sudden tipping point instead of a slow grind year after year) is social utility. Once atheism crosses a tipping point, then holding on to religion becomes a social liability instead of an asset

Notice the assumption that the only real attraction of Christianity for most people is social conformity. Very naive, IMO.

8 posted on 03/22/2011 11:23:37 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Grunthor

I searched and didn’t find anything. This is a different take on it in any case.


9 posted on 03/22/2011 11:29:08 AM PDT by Scottmkiv
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To: Scottmkiv

I think is it less a triumph of atheism, as it is that many nations are quietly experiencing a throwback to historical paganism. The fault of this is not Christianity, per se, but the failure of government “official religion” Christianity.

Australia, Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland.

In each of the countries, the official religion was historically ill used for other purposes, then watered down by successive liberal governments, somewhat ashamed at what had been done by their cynical predecessors.

The end result is as pleasant and redeeming as visiting the DMV for an hour each Sunday. No surprise at all that people left those vehicles, finding no redemption or salvation to be found within, and feeling spiritually unsatisfied.

Most people are spiritually and socially conservative, and seeing this as a failure of *Christianity*, not their government, their impulse was, “Well, if Christianity is no longer valid, what faith should I pursue?”, and they hit on paganism, the religions of their forefathers.

It is their “default” religion, in the absence of real Christian religion, not controlled by the state.


10 posted on 03/22/2011 11:32:14 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: GeronL

Atheism isn’t a positive set of beliefs. In other words, there isn’t a list of things that atheists do believe, only a list with one item then don’t believe.

Comparing Stalin to Voltaire because neither believe in god is like comparing Gandhi to Pol Pot because neither believe in leprechauns.


11 posted on 03/22/2011 11:32:24 AM PDT by Scottmkiv
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To: Scottmkiv

I think Voltaire would have agreed with Stalin on most things.

Hatred of religion is a mark of a deep insanity.


12 posted on 03/22/2011 11:35:09 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

“I think Voltaire would have agreed with Stalin on most things.”

I’m forced to assume you haven’t read Voltaire very carefully.


13 posted on 03/22/2011 11:36:13 AM PDT by Scottmkiv
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To: Scottmkiv

I am surprised England is not in the top 9. They have the loudest and most annoying atheists on the globe. Seems a bulk of their population has elevated atheism to the national religion of non belief.


14 posted on 03/22/2011 11:40:41 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: Scottmkiv

“Nine countries are on the path to complete atheism”...

...for a few years before they become Muslim.


15 posted on 03/22/2011 12:11:53 PM PDT by WPaCon
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To: Scottmkiv

I met a young guy from the Czech Republic, whose wife had just had a baby. When I asked him if he was getting the baby baptized, he told me NO. He said he’s an atheist.


16 posted on 03/22/2011 12:19:08 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: antiRepublicrat; GeronL
In general, this was a list of pretty free countries with a high standard of living. We're not talking communism or fascism, but atheism, not the same thing.

That's true - however the Countries referenced: the Soviet Union, Mao's China, North Korea, Pol Pot's Cambodia, Castro's Cuba, Hitler's Germany - we're cultures that denied the Living God, and had to create their own gods. E.g., Marxist ideology, the Master Race, Personality cults, etc.
God outlines this malady fairly well in the first chapter of Paul's Epistle to the Romans. In their heart, people know that God IS; but in their vanity they become blind and create all kinds of false idols. Eventually God 'gives them up', and these so-called civilizations crumble into a downward spiral of sexual perversions, immorality, and lawlessness.

The cultures/nations described in this article are fairly 'civilized' and well off at the moment - but they are coming out of a Christian centric culture. If indeed they have chucked off the true God to chase after Gaiaism - or whatever is the false god du jour - then their end will be destruction. But I don't if the article is accurate - or just an atheist's wishful thinking. Hopefully their is time to repent.

17 posted on 03/22/2011 12:52:42 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Scottmkiv

Ireland? Now there’s a surprise. I always thought they were 100% staunch catholics.


18 posted on 03/22/2011 1:28:01 PM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: WPaCon

That is part of the danger of multiculturalism. When you refuse to admit that some cultures, some ideas, are worse than others you set yourself up for quite an ugly conflict.

It’s not racism to say that people who violate rights, or follow a religion that encourages them to, are inferior to people who respect individual rights.


19 posted on 03/22/2011 8:01:26 PM PDT by Scottmkiv
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To: Scottmkiv
The ultimate conclusion of atheism is always nihilism. Further, it's clear that the roots of atheism are almost always moral rather than intellectual.
20 posted on 03/23/2011 5:16:26 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Scottmkiv
The ultimate conclusion of atheism is always nihilism. Further, it's clear that the roots of atheism are almost always moral rather than intellectual.
21 posted on 03/23/2011 5:16:36 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity

What makes you say atheism always ends up with nihilism? Obviously it can, but what requires it to do that every time?

What about atheists like Rand who clearly aren’t atheists?

Why do you say atheism is always a moral argument and not intellectual. The intellect determines morality, so I’m not sure how this difference is meaningful. Even if I grant the distinction, what is wrong with making a moral argument?


22 posted on 03/23/2011 10:22:18 PM PDT by Scottmkiv
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"The intellect determines morality"

No it doesn't. A guilty conscience is not a work of the intellect at all but is a classic example of innate morality at work. And the ultimate end of atheism being nihilistic is dictated by the fact that there is objective basis for morality under atheism. That Rand does not have the courage to follow her philosophy to its logical conclusion is of no moment.

23 posted on 03/24/2011 2:13:49 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity

If you argue that the intellect doesn’t determine morality, you must either argue that man is born with a fully formed sense of morality, or that it is divinely revealed to each and every person.

Please provide evidence of either.


24 posted on 03/24/2011 1:31:10 PM PDT by Scottmkiv
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To: Scottmkiv
"If you argue that the intellect doesn’t determine morality, you must either argue that man is born with a fully formed sense of morality, or that it is divinely revealed to each and every person. "

It's both and the evidence is overwhelming. A general morality is written on every man's heart - the conscience. Even a child knows that lying, stealing, cowardice and betrayal is wrong. That is why those traits are never admired or respected in others. The universality of this phenomenon throughout the recorded history of human experience testifies to this. We may disregard this understanding, every one does to some degree, but we all are born with a basic sense of right and wrong. This is not deduced rationally but innately discerned. The rest of morality is disclosed by divine revelation - scripture. The evidence can be found on the shelf of just about any bookstore. Apart from God there can be no objective morality or ethical normative - only personal preference and social convention. There can be no ontological meaning for a finite being without an infinite reference point. Without God the righteous becomes merely the self-righteous; whatever makes any given individual feel good about themselves.

25 posted on 03/24/2011 3:41:30 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: mom4melody

“Seems being foolish is on the rise.”

So people who choose not to believe in something without proof are the ones who are foolish huh? Seems like your logic is a little backwards no? In my opinion a thousand years from now people will look back at this time and wonder what were we thinking. Kinda the way we look at the ancients and wonder how they thought the earth was flat. Seriously....future generations are gonna wonder how we ever discovered flight. They will think “they actually thought a virgin gave birth?——they actually thought a single man collected 2 of each animal-—they actually believed an invisible man in the sky actually cared about how many times they masturbated?
I don’t know if there is a God or not...I just want some proof if there is.


26 posted on 05/24/2011 11:49:53 PM PDT by YoungBlackRepublican
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