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The Restoration and Conversion of Israel - Part X
THINGS TO COME - A Journal of Biblical Literature | November, 1915 | Geo. A.B. Chamberlain

Posted on 03/23/2011 11:39:26 PM PDT by John Leland 1789

No. 257, November, 1915, Vol. XXI., No. 11., pp. 124-125.

The last fourteen chapters (35-48) of Ezekiel contains such clear and concise prophecies concerning the restoration, conflicts, conversion, and establishment of Israel in their own land, on their own soil, that, were there no other testimony in the Word (and we have produced abundance), we venture to assert that no one, except by the most flagrant system of spiritualization, could deny that such restoration either had taken place, or must be relegated to the future. And that it is to the future we must look for the fulfillment is certain, for not only have such events as are foretold never yet happened, but with respect to certain of them, and therefore by contextual reading applicable to all, we are told it will be "after many days," "in the latter years," "in the latter days" (38.8,16); expressions which point to the future not only in the prophet's day, but as regards our own times.

The summary of the fourteen chapters referred to is briefly thus:----

Chap. 35. Judgments on enemies as represented by Seir.

Chap. 36. Prophecies unto the mountains of Israel with the promise of restoration (vv. 9-12).

Chap. 37. The vision of the valley of dry bones with emphatic promise of resurrection literal or spiritual, or both, and restoration (vv. 12-14); and the object lesson of the two sticks united in one, teaching that the two houses of Judah and Israel shall be one, which has not been so since the disruption in the reign of Rehoboam.

Chaps. 38 and 39. Invasion of the land and assault upon Israel by certain Gentile enemies, and the punishment God inflicts upon them.

Chaps. 40-48. A full and careful prophetical description of the wondrous Temple which shall be erected in the land of restored Israel, with its appointments, ordinances, and sacrifices.

Before going further there is one word used again and again by the prophet which is well worthy of our notice. It is the word "land" in our versions, a translation of two words in the Hebrew; eretz, the more common word used so frequently throughout the Bible, and many times by Ezekiel himself. But some twenty-six times he uses the word adamah, which means the soil, the very ground itself, emphasizing the fact that it is that particular portion of territory to which the people will be restored and which they will enjoy.

It would be quite outside the scope of these papers to dwell in detail on each of the concluding chapters of the book, much as we would desire it. But to chaps. 38 and 39 we would call particular attention for they give us certain details, at which we have already seen other prophets hint, namely, who the marauding hosts are, who under the leadership of Antichrist, shall invade and molest the chosen people.

Chap. 38 begins thus:----"And of the word of the LORD came unto me, saying Son of man set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal" (vv. 1-3).

Now allied with Gog are certain others, "Persia, Ethiopia and Libya, Gomer and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands, and many people with thee" (vv. 5, 6).

These all conspire to go up and destroy Palestine; "I will go up to the land of unwalled villages. I will go to them that are at rest and dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls having neither bars nor gates, to take the spoil and to take a prey" (vv. 11, 12).

But there is a decided protest made by certain others named in verse 13, "Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lion's thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take the spoil? Hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? To carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?" The protest certainly implies "not without our consent."

Now the question before us is are we able to identify the people mentioned in this chapter, and the answer to that question is, we assuredly can. For the following geographical explanations I am much indebted, as also for many other suggestions in these articles to an exhaustive work on the same subject by my dear father in the year 1860.* In that work he devotes a whole chapter of some forty-six large closely printed pages to the discussion of the locality and genealogy of the peoples mentioned in these two chapters. Of course, it would be impossible to put before our readers all the details given, the barest epitome must suffice.

In the Hebrew, v. 2 reads, "Gog, the land of Magog, prince Rosh and Tubal and Meshech." GOG is the name given to the leader of the confederacy. Is Gog the Antichrist? This name occurs only here, in chapter 39, and 1 Chron. 5.4. ROSH in A.V. is translated "chief" or head, in accordance with many other passages in which Rosh is rendered "head," but the R.V., following the Septuagint, Vulgate, Aquila, and Jerome, take it is a proper name, "Prince of Rosh." If Rosh be taken as a proper name, it may point to the Rossi or Russia, but we need not insist on this in order to establish the identity, as we shall soon see when speaking of Meshech and Tubal.

Referring back to Gen. 10.2-5, we find that some of the names mentioned in Ezekiel are included in the descendents of Japheth, and "by these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations (v. 5).

---------------------------------------------------------- *"Notes on the Restoration and Conversion of Israel," by Walter Chamberlain, M.A., Vicar of St. John's, Bolton, Lancashire, London; Wertheim & Macintosh. ----------------------------------------------------------

Now, roughly speaking, Japheth's descendents inhabited Europe, Shem's Asia Minor, Ham's Africa. So Gomer, Magog, Tubal, Meshech, Togarmah, Javan, Tarshish, all belong to Europe.

MAGOG. "The country of Magog is placed by ancient authority on E. and N.E. of the Black Sea; and therefore comprehends a territory now forming part of the Russian Empire."

MESHECH AND TUBAL. "The name Meshech is translated by the Sept. Mesoch, and from this word the people called Moschi derived their Greek name. The Moschi were, therefore, descendents of Meshech, and inhabited the country round the Moschic mountains lying at the eastern part of the Black Sea." . . . "Such were the first settlements of Magog, Mesheck and Tubal, but their descendents penetrated into the wilds of Scythia, and peopled the dreary regions of the north for Meschech and Tubal are expressions in Ezekiel for that vast country."

GOMER. Originally Gomer and his three sons occupied at first the land of Asia Minor, but the sons of Gomer soon extended themselves beyond their original settlements, and now embrace three of the most numerous and civilized peoples of modern Europe, English, French and Germans. It may be that from the expression, "Gomer and all his bands" (v. 6), we are particularly to understand united Germany. [N.B. Is not the German the Gomer-man?]

TOGARMAH. The Jews maintain that in Ezekiel Togarmah stands for the Turk, so may we take Togarmah here as representing the Turcoman hordes of Central Asia in the immediate eastern quarters of Russia, in the sides of the north.

PERSIA, ETHIOPIA AND LIBYA. Read for these as in the original, Paras, Cush, and Phut.

PARAS. Little need be said. We take him to be Persia (see Dan. 8.20). "The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia" (Heb. Paras cp. 10.13; 11.2).

CUSH AND PHUT. Both sons of Ham (Gen. 10.6). Cush here is Africa, though there is also an Arabian Cush. Josephus asserts that the Cushites passed over the Red Sea and settled in Ethiopia (Ant. I. vi. 2).

PHUT inhabited that part of Africa from which the whole country took its name. "Phut is the same as Libya, North Africa, West of Egypt, the Tripoli, Tunis and Algiers of our times."

Such will be the confederacy against "my people Israel" in the "latter days." But there are certain others who protest, and would oppose them. "Sheba and Dedan were the sons of Raamah, the son of Cush, but mentioned in Holy Writ in connection with Arabia (Jer. 25.23, 24). The Queen of Sheba was the "Queen of the South," that is Queen of Yemen or right hand. The Jews reckoned their cardinal points when looking eastward; therefore the right hand would be the south. And connected with Sheba is also

DEDAN, the name of the city in Southern Arabia, which may be regarded as the Aden of modern times, at the entrance to the Red Sea.

TARSHISH is mentioned some twenty-one times in Holy Writ, and we know that there were certain places called by this name, three we are sure of, namely, Tarshish of Cilicia (the Tarsus of St. Paul's day); Tarshish is Spain (Tartessus, where the prophet Jonah essayed to flee to), the Tarshish in the Eastern Sea.

According to Gen. 10.4, Tarshish was a son of Javan, the son of Japheth, whose descendents occupied Europe, and Tarshish may therefore be taken as a distinctly European power. It is also mentioned in Psa. 72.10, and Isa. 60.9, as among the "isles," and therefore, again, European. It is spoken of as a mercantile and maritime people by Isaiah (60.9) and Ezekiel (27.25). Having merchant ships (Psa. 48.7; Isa. 2.16). Tarshish is not only mercantile, but also manufacturing (Jer. 10.9; Ezek. 27.12-25).

The writer of the work already referred to carefully traces the passages and meanings given to Tarshish in the Bible and shows that whereas it is the name of an actual place, it is also used in a typical sense, signifying a maritime, mercantile, colonizing, manufacturing, warlike people in these last days, among the sons of Japheth, i.e., within the limits of Europe. And in another shorter work on prophetical subjects he sums up his arguments in the larger book as follows:----"Putting altogether, Ezekiel requires us to find in Europe among the isles of the Gentiles, in these latter times, a mercantile, colonizing, manufacturing, warlike power, such as Tyre, a great world's mart, commanding the trade of East and West; but especially the trade of the Eastern Seas. That power, like Gog's confederates must be now before the world; and there is but one power that can answer such a description. It is England."

Thus we have depicted in this prophecy of Ezekiel the great future struggle which will take place in the Holy Land, and specially around the city of Jerusalem. We have focused our attention on those hostile alien adversaries of Israel, because at the present time when the principal belligerence are on the stage of the world, engaged in a desperate encounter for world-wide supremacy, such a careful survey is of intense importance and interest. England, Germany, and Russia will once more be in conflict, Russia and Germany seeking to conquer and overthrow the peaceable dwellers in "the land of unwalled villages," England with her Allies uttering at least a strong protest against the act of vandalism. All this, of course, if the interpretation here set forth be correct. But this is true as regards those peoples whose geography and topography, however briefly, has been established. With regard to Tarshish, it must be left a somewhat open question, but even in this case so closely do the various descriptions fit our own beloved land, that we are inclined to ask to what great power can they refer if not to England?

(To be continued).

TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: conversion; israel; restoration
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1 posted on 03/23/2011 11:39:29 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Quix


Brother, I tried a hard return after each URL, but it didn’t seem to make them clickable.

2 posted on 03/23/2011 11:44:25 PM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful.)
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To: BereanBrain


3 posted on 03/23/2011 11:46:08 PM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful.)
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To: John Leland 1789

There was no palestine in The Old Testament. There is no palestine now, nor has there ever been. I have refrained from posting to these threads because I consider you a friend, but palestine is not a place. It is a set of letters which refer to a place, or an area, that encompasses all of the Near East.

Especially at this time, I just could not let this one pass. These are a false people claiming a false land, a made up place and a made up people. They are murderers and they are murdering us today for a lie that the world has accepted as fact.
Every time you repeat this lie, you strengthen evil.

4 posted on 03/23/2011 11:59:31 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Note: I do NOT capitalize anything I don't obama and/or islam...but I repeat myself.)
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To: MestaMachine

Did you notice the date of the writing of the article? 1913. So, as early as 1913 (and I have similar references back to 1894) Bible students and writers were referring to the land underneath Israel as “Palestine” without any knowledge whatsoever of what would occur after 1947, 48 or today. They didn’t even know about the then coming Balfour Declaration.

So, to them, “Palestine” was a mere geographic reference.

5 posted on 03/24/2011 12:14:20 AM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful.)
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To: John Leland 1789

At that same time Jesus was filled with the joy of the Holy Spirit, and he said, “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way.~Luke 10:21

6 posted on 03/24/2011 12:43:19 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("You cannot invade the US There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Yamamoto)
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To: MestaMachine

No. 224., February, 1913., Vol., XIX., No. 2., p. 23.

Signs of the Times.


It was to be expected that the Balkan War would have far-reaching effects, and among other results might lead to some changes in Palestine. DR. MAX NORDEAU, in a letter to The Times, under date Dec. 30, says:

“Zionism——the Jewish National Movement——as is declared in its programme first proclaimed in Basle 15 years ago, and since never modified, is a movement for the purpose of acquiring for the Jewish people a home in Palestine guaranteed by public law. There is no malicious distortion to which these few clear words have not been subjected.

“We have been denounced to the Turks as revolutionary adventurers bent on tearing off Palestine from the Ottoman Empire in order to found there a Republic or a Kingdom of the Jews. We have always emphasized the fact that the very essence of our proposal is to remain loyal to the Empire of which Palestine forms a part, and to transform this neglected province into a most valuable portion of the Empire’s territory . . . “

After describing all the various agencies at work in Palestine, he adds:——

“It is therefore evidence of the strong passion to raise Palestine from the dust and set her as a jewel among the nations of the world which animates the Jewish masses. Can Europe at this point help us at least morally in our striving, and at the same time perform an act that will prove of far-reaching value to the future of the world’s peace and prosperity.

“What we see now from European diplomacy is not an exercise in our favor of any imperative or unfriendly pressure on Turkey. She would energetically and with justice resent it, and before all in the world we are anxious to add nothing to her present embarrassments and afflictions. All we desire is to be afforded the opportunity of offering European diplomacy exact information as to our aspirations and to solicit its friendly interest in their behalf. Now that it has become a happy practice to solve all international questions in common, it is of the greatest importance to us that those high personalities who are called to treat and decide upon, the litigious matters of the world politics should have laid before them the facts of Zionism by those that really know them. What we have to ask of Turkey we wish to ask directly of her, thus avoiding the introduction of foreign intermediaries between her and ourselves. We ask only for common justice . . . .”

He then points out that under the existing laws regarding foreigners discrimination is made against the Jews, asks for the abolition of such unjust limitations and proceeds:——

“If facilities were offered to our influx we should soon be very many more. There is room enough for us in the scarcely inhabited land. We have no intention of dispossessing or crowding out anyone. We are ready to buy honestly every inch of the soil we can possibly obtain, and to offer for it a higher price than any other purchaser. To none has the neglected land the ideal and sentimental value it has to us. We seek to become throughout the Turkish dominions an Ottoman nationality equal before the law to other nationalities of the Empire, such as the Arabs, Syrians, Druses, Turks, Greeks, Armenians, Kurds. The party in power does not pursue the error of centralization, and of levelling “turkification.” It seems, on the contrary, wisely prepared to allow each nationality free range for its moral, intellectual, and economic development. Devoted collaborators as they desire to be in the prosperity of the Turkish Empire, willing to learn the official language for use in their relations with the Imperial authorities and with their non-Jewish fellow-citizens, Jews wish to employ among themselves in Palestine, in their schools, and in their communal administration in that land, their own national language——Hebrew. They desire to obtain for it the same recognition as all other national languages of the Empire. They strive to raise Palestine agriculturally, industrially, commercially, intellectually to a highly flourishing State, and true to the spirit of Judaism to make of the land a “hearth-place” of European culture.

“With these facts we are anxious to impress European diplomatists. Their comprehension of our movement and its tenets and their kindly disposition towards it will constitute a most valuable gain for Zionism and the Jew. It will, I have no manner of doubt, be a particularly important item too in contributing to assure the world the future of European peace by an act of tardy justice which will secure a home to a people out of whose loins proceeded those prophets who descried in peace one of the highest of human ideals, and taught it as a religion to mankind.”

We’re glad to see that this appeal has been favorably received by the Press, as is evidenced by the following from The Globe of the same date:——


We cannot conceive any valid objection to Dr. Max Nordau’s suggestion, embodied in a letter to the Times, regarding the settlement of Jews in Palestine. A time when the solution of many problems in the Near East seems likely, is surely opportune for discussing one of, the most important objects of Zionism. The growth of Anti-Semitism and the actual persecution of Jews in certain parts of the Continent has made it more necessary than ever that some country should be found which will afford an asylum specially to the poorer members of the scattered community. And in this respect no more suitable place than Palestine could be found. Dr. Nordeau has no revolutionary proposals to make. All he asks is that the Powers should support the demand of the Jewish community for common justice and equal rights in Palestine. Nor does he suggest that any sort of independence should be granted to Palestine. The Jews are only too anxious to become loyal subjects of the Turkish Government, provided they are recognized as an Ottoman nationality equal before the law to other nationalities of the Empire. Palestine, would of course, in these circumstances rapidly develop into a self-governing Jewish unit of the Empire, and the gain to Turkey, to Europe, and to Jewry would be inestimable.

7 posted on 03/24/2011 1:44:08 AM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful.)
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To: John Leland 1789

There are older Jewish people who still have mandate IDs that list their nationality is “Palestinian”. The term was used to denote “Jew” (as distinct from Muslim or Christian) up until at least the late 1950s.

8 posted on 03/24/2011 6:16:19 AM PDT by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: John Leland 1789

I understand this, but the designation, palestine, was a deliberate attempt on the part of britain to erase almost any/every reference to Israel. It was used by the earliest archaeologists in the area as a shorthand word, and the british, who are and were notoriously anti-Jewish, insidiously set about replacing all references to Israel with this designation in Bibles and literature or anything pertainng to Eretz Yisrael. They succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
I repeat. It was deliberate.
I guess I am becoming kind of emotional about this beause it has been used to try and erase my people as well. The fact remains that palestine is a lie. The encyclopedia brittanica even has an article that states that Jesus was born in palestine. I am positive that would surprise Him no end.

9 posted on 03/24/2011 7:03:04 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Note: I do NOT capitalize anything I don't obama and/or islam...but I repeat myself.)
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To: John Leland 1789
In an original post

when you use a URL

it MUST be done differently.

In the OP, you have to use html coding.

For a URL it is like this but with

"<" . . . and ">"

replacing the "[" and "]" below:



10 posted on 03/24/2011 8:35:06 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: John Leland 1789

Part IX


Part VII

Part VI

Part V

Part IV

Part III

Part II

Part I

John, the problem MAY have been—there was a space immediately after the last character of the URL. There must ONLY be a hard ENTER IMMEDIATELY after the last character.

11 posted on 03/24/2011 8:40:06 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: MestaMachine

Yes, the Arabs refused to take the Jordanians in after 1948 and they began calling them Palestinians, victims etc.

Yes, they are duplicitous, murderous, lying thugs.

Their fate is sealed. God will deal with them.

However, unless one wants to be linguistically awkward and elaborate . . . it’s sometimes difficult to avoid using the conventional term.

12 posted on 03/24/2011 8:44:45 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: John Leland 1789; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; ...

THANKS for another important installment in the series.

How’s your uhhhh . . . distant . . . close relatives?

13 posted on 03/24/2011 8:46:44 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Therein, Quix, is the crux of the matter. People will do the “easy” thing no matter how wrong it is and no matter that they are playing into the worldview that we Hebrews are somehow the enemy of the world. The “easy” thing gave rise to, and legitimizes, an illegitimate claim on OUR land by a illegitmate people while delegimitizing our rightful claim to our own heritage. My own people fell headlong into this same trap, (and a trap it is.) It is not an innocent designation that somehow found its way into the lexicon. It was done by design. This is so wrong on so many levels.

Every time Israel is referred to as palestine, it adds another layer of darkness we must climb through so that the truth is not buried. palestine is a grave which is still being dug for us and the “easy” thing is killing us slowly but surely.

14 posted on 03/24/2011 2:36:58 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Note: I do NOT capitalize anything I don't obama and/or islam...but I repeat myself.)
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To: MestaMachine

I stand vigorously with you against the interloper murderous theiving revisionists of history and reality.

15 posted on 03/24/2011 2:39:25 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Thanks, Brother, for the html lesson. I am saving that on my desktop for reference!

16 posted on 03/24/2011 8:31:41 PM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful.)
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To: John Leland 1789; roamer_1


You can go here to find out about it:



Glad it was of use to you, John.

Prayers for your loved ones still on the front lines.


17 posted on 03/24/2011 8:45:11 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: John Leland 1789; roamer_1


there’s some more great html links available.

Looks like the addon greatly simplifies html coding, with an always on toolbar.

18 posted on 03/24/2011 8:46:23 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: MestaMachine

All right, it is right and good for you to explain these things about “Palestine” in posts just as you have.

Let all understand what you understand.

Please don’t treat us as uf we are ani-Israel or something for posting a PRO-ISRAEL, PRO-RESTORATION to their own land article in which the PRO-ISRAEL writers in 1913 happened to use the word “Palestine.”

The Jewish Zionists of that day used the word “Palestine” as well, and they did not get all upset about the word. I’m certain that they used it as a reference because it was one of those “media” words that the general public had heard and could process.

After reading your initial objection, I found (in my own possession) a half dozen other articles from 1894 to 1915, all written by various Jewish Rabbis and Zionist movement leaders who use the word Palestine without taking the time to explain the lying nature of the word.

I am in agreement with you. But I didn’t write the articles. PreMillennial, Bible-believing, Pro-Israel men wrote them, or Jewish Zionists wrote them. Those men probably had a lot to deal with before they could get bogged-down over the problems with a single word.

19 posted on 03/24/2011 8:55:02 PM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful.)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!

20 posted on 03/24/2011 9:23:06 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: John Leland 1789

John, I know you are not anti-Israel. Of all people, I know you are not. MOST people do not know the underlying reason for use of the word and with everything that is happening in the world today emotion, at least on my part, is running high. I WISH more people understood the concept of “the big lie.” It isn’t something that grows into a full-fledged 200 foot redwood tree overnight. First they plant the seedling and then they nurture it. This has been hundrds of years in the making. arafat used it in its final form.
I went through the first intifada. This is shaping up to be yet another, perhaps far worse, and America, at least the government, has turned its back.
Never, never in a million years would I accuse YOU of being anti-Israel. I respect you and as I said in my first post, I consider you a friend.

21 posted on 03/24/2011 9:53:14 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Note: I do NOT capitalize anything I don't obama and/or islam...but I repeat myself.)
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To: MestaMachine

I have long believed that America would turn her back on Israel to America’s great hurt.

However, I have always felt that

GOD ALMIGHTY would, in the final analysis and at some critical point,





And HE WILL show Himself mighty in Israel’s behalf—probably after a period of severe discipline for Israel being a largely secular, God forsaking country.

22 posted on 03/24/2011 11:49:41 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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