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Meet the boy who says he visited heaven and saw Jesus
MSNBC ^ | March 25, 2011 | Michael Inbar

Posted on 03/25/2011 4:02:17 PM PDT by americanophile

After a burst appendix nearly cost 4-year-old Colton Burpo his life in 2003, his parents were thankful just to have him alive and well. But when he opened up about his brush with death a few months later, they were shocked when he described a very vivid trip to heaven, and spoke of matters about which he had no apparent way of knowing.

During an automobile trip, when Sonja Burpo asked him about his memories of being in the hospital, little Colton replied: “Yes, Mommy, I remember — that’s where the angels sang to me.” A sweet answer, to be sure — but then Colton made his parents’ jaws drop when he told them about sitting in Jesus’ lap, watching his parents while he lay seemingly near death, and meeting his great-grandfather.

But most poignantly, Colton described meeting a sibling in heaven — even though he had no way of knowing that his mother had miscarried two years before he was born, since his parents had never told him.

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1 posted on 03/25/2011 4:02:21 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

I believe him.Without getting into it too deeply I’ve had several near misses and have had similar experinces.


2 posted on 03/25/2011 4:37:14 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba
I believe him.Without getting into it too deeply I’ve had several near misses and have had similar experinces.

I believe him also.....and you are not getting off that easy FRiend. We are living in the end times, and Christians, and non-Christians alike need to hear your testimony.

3 posted on 03/25/2011 4:42:07 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: americanophile

The book has been on the NY Times best sellers list and is available for $6.99 at Christian Books! I want one in my Easter Basket. As a parent who lost a daughter to a Drunk Driver, I hope that she is with Jesus and waiting for her Mom and Me!


4 posted on 03/25/2011 4:48:16 PM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: Young Werther
I am so sorry about your daughter. I'm sure she will be waiting for you and her mom.

I just bought this for my NOOK and can't wait to read it. Without even reading the book I believe this little boy too.

5 posted on 03/25/2011 4:52:18 PM PDT by ninergold3 (Let Go and Let God - He IS In Control)
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To: americanophile

Sure sounds compelling. The thing that makes me skeptical is that he says people in heaven have wings. There’s a common folk belief that confuses angels with people who go to heaven, and thinks they all get wings, but that is not based on Scripture. Also, his description of Jesus seems to be in direct contradiction to the appearance of the glorified Christ in Revelation.

I’m going to say, on first impression, that at the least, the kid has embellished, as kids tend to do, in an effort to please his parents or get attention.


6 posted on 03/25/2011 4:56:48 PM PDT by Boogieman (")
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To: ninergold3
I taped him on Fox and Friends the other mmorning. My wife had to leave before the interview but was moved when we watched the recording.

I have a friend who is a Phd and Md who believes that we are eternal energies which visits with God but are reborn many tmes over. She has counselled me about my daughter's untimely death but says that families come together in the hereafter and are reborn

7 posted on 03/25/2011 4:57:04 PM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: Young Werther; SonOfDarkSkies

You don’t have to wait...SonOfDarkSkies told us on another thread about Amazon having a free “Kindle for PC”..it’s super for those of us whose eye sight isn’t that great anymore, and the book was only $6.13. The book was wonderful!!!

Thanks again SonOfDarkSkies :)


8 posted on 03/25/2011 5:08:33 PM PDT by Ready2go (Isa 5:20 Destruction is certain for those who say that evil is good and good is evil;)
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To: americanophile
His description of heaven does not test the scriptural test.. as an example.. His grandfather had wings.. a typical thought of a child and people becoming angels when they die.. but people do not become angels ..they do not get wings..

He spoke of the angels singing... typical of a child who listens to Christmas carols ..but angels do not sing ..

Instead of reading the dreams of a chid people would be better off reading the scriptures and seeing what God says about it

9 posted on 03/25/2011 5:25:14 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Your copy of the Bible seems to be amazingly definite on the things which no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of
man imagined.

For instance: “Angels don’t sing”. Plus you know for a fact we won’t have wings.


10 posted on 03/25/2011 5:40:46 PM PDT by agere_contra (As often as I look upon the cross, so often will I forgive with all my heart.)
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To: chris_bdba

Me, too! I can vouch for the vivid vision and the colors! And I can also vouch for the Angels coming and getting the kid. And I think that’s all I’m supposed to say.


11 posted on 03/25/2011 5:44:59 PM PDT by Terry Mross (This is war. Choose sides.)
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To: RnMomof7
Instead of reading the dreams of a chid people would be better off reading the scriptures and seeing what God says about it

Must agree with that. Who does Scripture say has come back from Heaven? A small selection of saints for short durations, various angels and archangels on missions from God, and the 1/3 of all the angels who followed this guy:

Nothing about boys on astral trips.

12 posted on 03/25/2011 5:48:17 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: RnMomof7
Question: "Do angels sing?"

Answer: Job 38:7 tells us that during the creation of the world, "the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy."

Revelation 5:11-13 declares, “Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels . . . They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. In a loud voice they sang: ‘Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!’ Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing: ‘To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!’”

Luke 2:13-14 informs us, "Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying, 'Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom His favor rests.'"

The above Scriptures appear at first glance to give clear evidence to the idea that angels sing. However, in each instance, the words that are translated "sing" or "sang" could also be referring to speaking. At the same time, the fact that the angels are worshipping and praising God seems to argue for singing as the meaning, not just speaking. God has created humanity with an innate connection to music and singing, especially in regard to worship (Ephesians 5:19). It would seem logical that God would have created the angels with that same "propensity" for singing. Whatever the case, whether singing or speaking, we know the angels are all about worshipping and praising God. May we follow their example!

13 posted on 03/25/2011 5:48:17 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Boogieman
Sure sounds compelling. The thing that makes me skeptical is that he says people in heaven have wings.

I was hoping somebody besides me would notice. In theory at least, people in heaven should not need wings...

14 posted on 03/25/2011 5:51:43 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Boogieman

“Sure sounds compelling. The thing that makes me skeptical is that he says people in heaven have wings. There’s a common folk belief that confuses angels with people who go to heaven, and thinks they all get wings, but that is not based on Scripture.”

Not only do humans in scripture never have wings, neither do any angels......


15 posted on 03/25/2011 5:55:00 PM PDT by Arlis (- Virginia loghome/woods-dweller/Jesus lovin'/Bible-totin'/"gun-clinger")
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To: RnMomof7
We know nothing....until we die and get there.

Then, and only then, will God'd mysteries be revealed to us.

Yes/no to "angel wings", and all the other mental paraphernalia, will only become clear at that point.

In the meanwhile, we all believe what we choose to believe and what comforts us, for lack of better terminology.

I, for one, do not believe that we'll have physical bodies; if you think it all through, the thought of teaming up with "Mom, Dad, Grandpa, etc., etc., etc." is really quite ludicrous.

It's there, but none of us who 'conjecture' have got the slightest clue...I take zero stock in what this child or any other 'near death' type has in the memory bank; it's probably feral instinct, and somebody is going to have to prove me wrong (which, of course, ain't happening in this world......)

16 posted on 03/25/2011 5:55:16 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: RnMomof7
Matthew 22:29-30 "You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. (NKJV)

It might be a stretch to assume that our new incorruptable bodies have a physical appearance like angels. Then again it might not be. Apparently angels can appear to be like men, without wings. Perhaps we will have the power to appear with wings like angels.

17 posted on 03/25/2011 5:55:46 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: americanophile

First of all, what kind of parents name their kid Colton????????? Especially when your last name is Burpo????????????? Hope the kid makes it alive through high school with that moniker!


18 posted on 03/25/2011 5:57:55 PM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: americanophile
I did buy the book after reading about it here on FR. Finished it a few days ago. It is a believable story, though there was at least one thing I would question the boy more on if I was his Pastor father. One being his great grandfather (Pops) having wings, and he himself having little wings. No place in the Bible does it say we will get wings in Heaven. But regardless, even if you take away his account of Heaven, the chapters on his illness was absolutely terrifying to read, as a parent of a young boy myself. I could only imagine the horror his parents were going through as he clung on to life.
19 posted on 03/25/2011 6:00:05 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: RnMomof7

Angels not only sing but there are choirs of them who do nothing but sing.


20 posted on 03/25/2011 6:00:35 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama:If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun (the REAL Arizona instigator))
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To: ErnBatavia

“I, for one, do not believe that we’ll have physical bodies”

You are confusing physical body with perfect body. Jesus was seen in bodiy form, as was Moses and Elijah.


21 posted on 03/25/2011 6:04:50 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: americanophile

There is a heaven, i.e., God will bestow happiness and the richest gifts on all those who depart this life free from original sin and personal mortal sin, and who are, consequently, in the state of justice and friendship with God. Concerning the purification of those just souls who depart in venial sin or who are still subject to temporal punishment for sin, see PURGATORY. On the lot of those who die free from personal sin, but infected with original sin, see LIMBO (limbus pervulorum). On the immediate beginning of eternal happiness after death, or eventually, after the passage through purgatory, see PARTICULAR JUDGMENT. The existence of heaven is, of course, denied by atheists, materialists, and pantheists of all centuries as well as by those rationalists who teach that the soul perishes with the body — in short, by all who deny the existence of God or the immortality of the soul. But, for the rest, if we abstract from the specific quality and the supernatural character of heaven, the doctrine has never met with any opposition worthy of note. Even mere reason can prove the existence of heaven or of the happy state of the just in the next life.
We shall give a brief outline of the principal arguments. From these we shall, at the same time, see that the bliss of heaven is eternal and consists primarily in the possession of God, and that heaven presupposes a condition of perfect happiness, in which every wish of the heart finds adequate satisfaction.

•God made all things for His objective honour and glory. Every creature was to manifest His Divine perfections by becoming a likeness of God, each according to its capacity. But man is capable of becoming in the greatest and most perfect manner a likeness of God, when he knows and loves His infinite perfections with a knowledge and love analogous to God’s own love and knowledge. Therefore man is created to know God and to love Him. Moreover, this knowledge and love is to be eternal; for such is man’s capability and his calling, because his soul is immortal. Lastly, to know God and to love Him is the noblest occupation of the human mind, and consequently also its supreme happiness. Therefore man is created for eternal happiness; and he will infallibly attain it hereafter, unless, by sin, he renders himself unworthy of so high a destiny.
•God made all things for His formal glory, which consists in the knowledge and love shown Him by rational creatures. Irrational creatures cannot give formal glory to God directly, but they should assist rational creatures in doing so. This they can do by manifesting God’s perfections and by rendering other services; whilst rational creatures should, by their own personal knowledge and love of God, refer and direct all creatures to Him as their last end. Therefore every intelligent creature in general, and man in particular, is destined to know and love God for ever, though he may forfeit eternal happiness by sin.
•God, in his infinite justice and holiness, must give virtue its due reward. But, as experience teaches, the virtuous do not obtain a sufficient reward here; hence they will be recompensed hereafter, and the reward must be everlasting, since the soul is immortal. Nor can it be supposed that the soul in the next life must merit her continuance in happiness by a continued series of combats; for this would be repugnant to all the tendencies and desires of human nature.
•God, in His wisdom, must set on the moral law a sanction, sufficiently appropriate and efficacious. But, unless each man is rewarded according to the measure of his good works, such a sanction could not be said to exist. Mere infliction of punishment for sin would be insufficient. In any case, reward for good deeds is the best means of inspiring zeal for virtue. Nature itself teaches us to reward virtue in others whenever we can, and to hope for a reward of our own good actions from the Supreme Ruler of the universe. That reward, not being given here, will be given hereafter.
•God has implanted in the heart of man a love of virtue and a love of happiness; consequently, God, because of His wisdom, must by rewarding virtue establish perfect harmony between these two tendencies. But such a harmony is not established in this life; therefore it will be brought about in the next.
•Every man has an innate desire for perfect beatitude. Experience proves this. The sight of the imperfect goods of earth naturally leads us to form the conception of a happiness so perfect as to satisfy all the desires of our heart. But we cannot conceive such a state without desiring it. Therefore we are destined for a happiness that is perfect and, for that very reason, eternal; and it will be ours, unless we forfeit it by sin. A natural tendency without an object is incompatible both with nature and with the Creator’s goodness. The arguments thus far advanced prove the existence of heaven as a state of perfect happiness.
•We are born for higher things, for the possession of God. This earth can satisfy no man, least of all the wise. “Vanity of vanities”, says the Scripture (Ecclesiastes 1:1); and St. Augustine exclaimed: “Thou hast made us for Thyself (O God) and our heart is troubled till it rests in Thee.”
•We are created for wisdom, for a possession of truth perfect in its kind. Our mental faculties and the aspirations of our nature give proof of this. But the scanty knowledge, that we can acquire on earth stands in no proportion to the capabilities of our soul. We shall possess truth in higher perfection hereafter.
•God made us for holiness, for a complete and final triumph over passion and for the perfect and secure possession of virtue. Our natural aptitudes and desires bear witness to this. But this happy goal is not reached on earth, but in the next life.
•We are created for love and friendship, for indissoluble union with our friends. At the grave of those we love our heart longs for a future reunion. This cry of nature is no delusion. A joyful and everlasting reunion awaits the just man beyond the grave.
•It is the conviction of all peoples that there is a heaven in which the just will rejoice in the next life. But, in the fundamental questions of our being and our destiny, a conviction, so unanimous and universal, cannot be erroneous. Otherwise this world and the order of this world would remain an utter enigma to intelligent creatures, who ought to know at least the necessary means for reaching their appointed end.
•Very few deny the existence of heaven; and these few are practically all atheists and epicureans. But surely it cannot be that all the rest have erred, and an isolated class of men such as these are not the true guides in the most fundamental questions of our being. For apostasy from God and His law cannot be the key to wisdom.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07170a.htm


22 posted on 03/25/2011 6:06:50 PM PDT by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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To: DCBryan1

Well I’ve had several times where my blood sugar has went to nothing and while waiting for the ambulance to arrive I’ve told my husband some pretty incrediable things about what the angels have said to me atleast that is what he says.He refuses to tell me exactly what I’ve said I think it scares him.I do remember seeing my Dad I almost got to him but then was pulled back to here.


23 posted on 03/25/2011 6:13:04 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: RnMomof7

He may have mistaken the way they speak for singing.I know what I have seen and witnessed and though I haven’t read his book I can’t argue with what I’ve heard so far.


24 posted on 03/25/2011 6:17:34 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: NavyCanDo
I have no idea what you mean, sorry.

My point - which of course is 100% indisputable to those of us that continue to dwell on this earth - is that nobody - NOBODY - here has the slightest clue as to what awaits us when we die. There is no 'near death', if you know what I mean.

We can quote biblical prophesy and all the soothsayers we want that make us feel better to try and make sense of it all -- but the bottom line is the bottom line. We're here, and NONE of us has the slightest clue as to what awaits us when we're not here.

/Break transmission.

25 posted on 03/25/2011 6:20:01 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: Terry Mross

Yes! For being i as bad of shape as I was the 3 times I can remember I was amazingly calm and happy afterwards. I can’t explain it except to say yes there is more.


26 posted on 03/25/2011 6:22:11 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: americanophile

But I don't want to have wings...

27 posted on 03/25/2011 6:22:14 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Arlis

“Not only do humans in scripture never have wings, neither do any angels......”

What kind of an edited bible are you reading? There are two type of angles mentioned in the bible having wings Cherubim and Seraphim - Exodus 25:20 and Ezekiel 10. These two types are thought to be the among the highest of angels, so there are quite possibly other types of angels, who may not have wings.

Now will humans have wings? I don’t know, but it is not beyond God’s Power to let you have a pair of beautiful ones if you asked for them.


28 posted on 03/25/2011 6:23:03 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: americanophile

I’d like to hear about such commonplace things like the decor, food, accomodations, and all we hear are the fairy tale details.


29 posted on 03/25/2011 6:26:48 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: americanophile
Near death experiences are not compelling evidence of survival after death. Reports of such experiences change for example in the 19th century it was crossing over a river i.e. Stonewall Jackson. Recently, it is tunnels of light. Some see nothing such as Wyatt Earp's brother after the brother lay dying after he was shot. Further, those reporting the experiences are alive, the dead are not reporting.
30 posted on 03/25/2011 6:36:24 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

My now dead friends promised to contact me (and I promised to contact them) should they croak first. No one has contacted me yet. Something’s fishy about this heaven thing. Is it a totalitarian dictatorship, from which there is no escape and no contact with other realities?


31 posted on 03/25/2011 6:40:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Houdini and his wife had a pact where he would try and contact her. He gave her a code that only he and his wife would know. She tried to contact him for years and finally gave up. However, contact of the living by the dead is different, by definition, from reported near death experiences. What is it like after death even theologians differ. The cliche no one knows is really accurate in this case.


32 posted on 03/25/2011 6:49:28 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Revolting cat!

“My now dead friends promised to contact me (and I promised to contact them) should they croak first. No one has contacted me yet.”

You’ve got to fill out a form first, then you wait in a line.


33 posted on 03/25/2011 6:56:30 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG)
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To: wendy1946

“In theory at least, people in heaven should not need wings...”

Yes, it’s not like they are sent flitting about to and from the Earth, that’s the angels’ job. Also, there are instances in Scripture where the departed, who are (or can be reasonably assumed to be) in either heaven or paradise are seen, and they aren’t described as anything other than men.


34 posted on 03/25/2011 7:44:19 PM PDT by Boogieman (")
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To: Arlis

“Not only do humans in scripture never have wings, neither do any angels......”

Well, it depends on how you are using the word angel. In the strict usage, referring to that specific class of messengers, then no, they are not described that way. Seraphim, who are often lumped in to the more general meaning, like “angelic beings”, do have wings, though I doubt anyone seeing them would mistake them for humans, glorified or otherwise.


35 posted on 03/25/2011 7:49:45 PM PDT by Boogieman (")
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To: Boogieman

I agree with you.

We did buy the book and my daughter is reading it first. From what I’ve gathered, he did reveal things that he would not have anyway of knowing (like he had a sister who died before he was born), so that makes me think there is truth in what he says. HOWEVER, kids are kids and embellish and give discriptions that either they think we want to hear or match what they know of. So I’m not equating everything this boy said as the Gospel truth, but a glimpse “through a glass darkly”.


36 posted on 03/25/2011 11:27:00 PM PDT by ScubieNuc
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To: Young Werther
I have a friend who is a Phd and Md who believes that we are eternal energies which visits with God but are reborn many tmes over. She has counselled me about my daughter's untimely death but says that families come together in the hereafter and are reborn.

That sounds nice but it comes from just another mortal being. You would be better off studying information that comes from God and through people who lived, witnessed and studied under a man (Jesus) who raised from the dead.

According to the Bible, neither we nor our souls are immortal or eternal 'energies'. The only way to immortality is through faith in Jesus.

This also leads to the point that there is no everlasting punishing for those who don't have faith. That is a lie. People who do not accept Jesus's gift of salvation suffer the "second death" or the death/destruction of the soul at the Great White Throne judgement.

Revelation 20:14-15 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
37 posted on 03/25/2011 11:36:34 PM PDT by ScubieNuc
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To: ScubieNuc

Yeah, I noticed on the GMA interview the kid even says it’s hard for him to remember all the details, so it wouldn’t surprised me if he felt he needed to stretch things a little to make a good story.


38 posted on 03/26/2011 12:35:11 AM PDT by Boogieman (")
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To: RnMomof7

“but angels do not sing ..”

Well, I don’t know abou that, they do speak, shout for joy, and say praises, and often, saying praises involves singing psalms. The Bible doesn’t specifically say they sing, but it doesn’t say they don’t. It does seem to be something a child would associate with Heaven from folklore though.


39 posted on 03/26/2011 12:42:13 AM PDT by Boogieman (")
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To: Boogieman

I do find these stories interesting though. I stumbled across some stories the other night on TV about these people who died and came back. Most of them talk about a wonderful experience, but one talked about being imprisoned in a dark, hot, prison. When he was revived, his image was that of a giant hand plucking him from his prison.

Now whether or not these stories are completely accurate discriptions or blurry discriptions, they definately had an impact on the people who went through the ordeal.

As a Christian it reinforces my desire to see Jesus and helps remove any fear of the dying process. I like the image of death being the birth panges of a new life (for those who have accepted Jesus’s gift through faith).


40 posted on 03/26/2011 12:46:39 AM PDT by ScubieNuc
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To: NavyCanDo

Yes, I knew someone would note that cherubim and seraphim have wings. So forgive me for not including this in my post:

My simple view is that there is nothing to indicate that they are in the same class as, or described as angels. They are wholly unique beings created by God for His glory and of a wholly different group than angels (’messengers’), IMHO.


41 posted on 03/26/2011 12:53:46 AM PDT by Arlis (- Virginia loghome/woods-dweller/Jesus lovin'/Bible-totin'/"gun-clinger")
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To: Boogieman

Pls. see my post to NavyCanDo......


42 posted on 03/26/2011 12:54:46 AM PDT by Arlis (- Virginia loghome/woods-dweller/Jesus lovin'/Bible-totin'/"gun-clinger")
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To: Revolting cat!

“Something’s fishy about this heaven thing. Is it a totalitarian dictatorship, from which there is no escape and no contact with other realities?”

Check out the story of Lazarus & the Rich Man if you wonder about that, here is the ending, where Abraham tells the Rich Man why he won’t send Lazarus back to Earth to testify to his family:

“27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”

Also, in a way, heaven is totalitarian of course. Who can contest with an almighty God? Who would want to escape paradise either?


43 posted on 03/26/2011 12:58:35 AM PDT by Boogieman (")
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To: NavyCanDo

The resurrected Lord Jesus clearly didn’t have wings - or it would have been so noted by Mary, Peter, and the other 498 who saw Him.

And our resurrection bodies will be as his: “when we see Him, we shall be like Him....”

Wings are not needed in a body that can be instantly transported from one place to another and that can walk through walls....... :-)

Actually the concept of angels with wings comes from pagan religions, not the scripture......IMHO.


44 posted on 03/26/2011 12:59:28 AM PDT by Arlis (- Virginia loghome/woods-dweller/Jesus lovin'/Bible-totin'/"gun-clinger")
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To: americanophile

2 Corinthians 11 tells us that Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. We have been warned.


45 posted on 03/26/2011 2:54:51 AM PDT by Diapason
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To: Boogieman

The story about Lazarus and the Rich man is a parable talking about the religious leaders of Israel (the rich man) and the jewish people (Lazarus) with Gentiles referenced as ‘dogs’.

While parables have their basis in reality (hell is real and probably meets the parables physical discription minus the side for the righteous (because after Jesus death the righteous are in Heaven with him)) this is not to be taken literally on all levels.

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/Lazarus-byHuie.htm


46 posted on 03/26/2011 3:05:30 AM PDT by ScubieNuc
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To: MarkBsnr
What is interesting about that pic of Lucifer (Alessandro Velutello's illustration for the Inferno entitled "Lucifer Apalled") is the graphic illustration at the bottom left side.

That illustration is remarkably similar in some ways to what was presented in a complex crop circle in the UK pictured below (of pi to the 10th significant figure, click the pic for the article)...

BTW, I am not drawing any conclusions here...just pointing out the connection.

47 posted on 03/26/2011 4:02:40 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
That illustration is remarkably similar in some ways to what was presented in a complex crop circle in the UK pictured below (of pi to the 10th significant figure, click the pic for the article)...

Okay, it's round and has dots on it. The Lucifer shape has no indents or any of the detail on the crop circle. If I'm not mistaken, it is a map of Dante's vision of hell, with the dots indicating particular locations that the author visited or noted during his trip with Virgil.

What do you mean by the 10th significant figure? Do you mean decimal place? The Lucifer figure has 14 dots on it (in the half of the figure that is visible which might mean that the whole figure could have 28 dots on it - hardly an indication of 10 decimal places). I'm not sure that the figures really show any significant resemblance at all.

I doubt that there is any connection, any more than these gears have a connection with crop circles:


48 posted on 03/26/2011 7:25:44 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: ScubieNuc

Don’t you think the response of Abraham is to be taken literally? That’s the informative part I was trying to share.


49 posted on 03/26/2011 10:35:46 AM PDT by Boogieman (")
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To: agere_contra
Your copy of the Bible seems to be amazingly definite on the things which no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined.

Just show me where the bible says angels sing ....and as for saints not having wings. . men and angels are 2 different creations.. men were not created with wings.

Did Peter testify that moses or elijah had wings on the mount of transfiguration?

Instead of people wanting to know what heaven is like, they had best be concerned if they will be going there..

Read the scriptures not the musing of a child

50 posted on 03/26/2011 10:56:50 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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