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A Catholic funeral for Geraldine Ferraro?
The Deacon's Bench ^ | March 27, 2011 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 03/28/2011 3:56:31 AM PDT by jacknhoo

A commenter raised the issue, citing the former congresswoman’s support for abortion rights, and declared: “Geraldine Ferraro should be denied a Catholic Mass with Catholic sacraments and yes, may God have mercy upon her soul.”

Details about Ferraro’s funeral haven’t yet been released. I presume it will be Catholic. (To those who have asked: no, I don’t think it will be held at my parish. As of Sunday afternoon, no one had contacted the rectory about it.)

But this sort of controversy is not without precedent. Two years ago, when Ted Kennedy’s Catholic funeral (shown above, featuring the Cardinal Archbishop of Boston) caused such an uproar, I posted a link to an article from Zenit on who may or may not have a Catholic funeral:

A funeral Mass can be celebrated for most Catholics, but there are some specific cases in which canon law requires the denial of a funeral Mass.

Canons 1184-1185 say:

“Canon 1184 §1. Unless they gave some signs of repentance before death, the following must be deprived of ecclesiastical funerals: 1/ notorious apostates, heretics, and schismatics; 2/ those who chose the cremation of their bodies for reasons contrary to Christian faith; 3/ other manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful.“§2. If any doubt occurs, the local ordinary is to be consulted, and his judgment must be followed.

“Canon 1185. Any funeral Mass must also be denied a person who is excluded from ecclesiastical funerals.”

In fact, these strictures are rarely applied. In part, this is because many sinners do show signs of repentance before death.

The consensus at the time was that it was appropriate for Ted Kennedy to have a Catholic funeral. Canon lawyer Ed Peters weighed in on the topic, too — and agreed that the Kennedy funeral was canonically acceptable.


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; catholicfuneral; death; ferraro; morality
I don't understand just why Formal Heretics receive Catholic funeral. Indeed, Ferraro is a Formal Heretic.
1 posted on 03/28/2011 3:56:42 AM PDT by jacknhoo
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To: jacknhoo

What a bundle of crap. First of all, we have no idea what she has done in regards to accepting Jesus Christ as her Savior. First of all, she could have went to confession to confess her sins. This is the biggest bunch of crap I have heard. It is a very disgusting piece of garbage. Only God knows what is in her heart. We have absolutely NO say in this matter.


2 posted on 03/28/2011 4:00:13 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: jacknhoo

I don’t understand just why Formal Heretics receive Catholic funeral. Indeed, Ferraro is a Formal Heretic.

Wow. I definitely need to speak with you because apparently you are Jesus Christ and God all rolled up in one. Dang it must be good to be perfect and accusatory and arrogant and judgmental.


3 posted on 03/28/2011 4:02:12 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: jacknhoo
It's all about money. If the Ferraro's (like the Kennedy's) gave a lot of it to the RC church, they will get the highest rites at a RC funeral.

I'm assuming they did. I'm assuming she will.

4 posted on 03/28/2011 4:03:29 AM PDT by Reagan69 (Elleb)
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To: napscoordinator

As to her position and politics on abortion, I’d say there’s some solid ground to question her dedication to her “religion”.


5 posted on 03/28/2011 4:05:10 AM PDT by Reagan69 (Elleb)
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To: Reagan69

I agree the only thing I am saying is that we don’t know what she said to God, Jesus, Priest before she died. If we are going to say that anyone who believed anything negative doesn’t go to Heaven, it is an awful empty place. I am Catholic and 100 percent pro life but I refuse to “guess” someones eternal life especially when they have not put her in the ground yet. There is plenty of time for this analysis after her funeral. Right now it should be prayers to her and her family.


6 posted on 03/28/2011 4:09:54 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Reagan69
It's all about money.

Yep...
7 posted on 03/28/2011 4:19:09 AM PDT by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: napscoordinator

Actually we are commanded to deny heretics.


8 posted on 03/28/2011 4:23:20 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: jacknhoo

Church or no church... she will not like what she has reaped for hers years of sowing.

LLS


9 posted on 03/28/2011 4:30:31 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: napscoordinator
Only God knows what is in her heart. We have absolutely NO say in this matter.

Then let God bury her.

Our God is a God of the living, not a God of the dead. The dead bury their own. The question is if the event should merit a Mass.

One might argue any event may merit a Mass. Even so, if her life was devoted to things opposing Christ, then celebrating something that is good for nothingness tends to promote good for nothingness amongst those not so familiar with Christ.

I agree that the focus of those involved with the funeral, should be in handling the grief of the family, and loved ones, while also remaining in fellowship with God through faith in Christ.

10 posted on 03/28/2011 4:32:43 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: driftdiver

Actually we are commanded to deny heretics.

We don’t know if she is or not. Anyway what you and I say doesn’t matter. She will get the Catholic funeral so it really is not worth discussing.


11 posted on 03/28/2011 4:36:13 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

“We don’t know if she is or not. Anyway what you and I say doesn’t matter. She will get the Catholic funeral so it really is not worth discussing.”

Then why did you post on the thread? Giving her the funeral will reinforce the behavior that it doesn’t matter what you do as long as you have money.

I certainly won’t be the guy who decides to give her a Catholic funeral.


12 posted on 03/28/2011 4:42:47 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: jacknhoo

The socialists leading the Catholic church will give her a Catholic funeral, of this I have no doubt.

If they don’t throw them out while alive surely they’ll do nothing now.

It means the Catholic Church SUPPORTS the abortion movement.

Look at what they do not what they say.


13 posted on 03/28/2011 5:09:44 AM PDT by stockpirate (Rebellion to tyranny is obedience to God!)
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To: stockpirate; jacknhoo
don't worry -- these guys (who will burn in the hottest fires of hell, reserved for shepherds who fail their flock) are on the way out --> read this: Vatican Ambassador: Social Justice is about relationships, not socialism
14 posted on 03/28/2011 5:16:18 AM PDT by Cronos (Palin: 2012)
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To: napscoordinator

One cannot partake in the murder of unborn children 6 days a week then repent on the seventh day, only to start anew on the first day of the new week.

And this is what your post basically says, you can sin every day of your life and while you are sick and dying repent and all is well.

Did she announce she opposed abortion before she passed, no.

By your belief Hitler could have repented the same hour he died and he’s forgiven.


15 posted on 03/28/2011 5:17:04 AM PDT by stockpirate (Rebellion to tyranny is obedience to God!)
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To: napscoordinator
I agree the only thing I am saying is that we don’t know what she said to God, Jesus, Priest before she died.

I agree with you. I hope she is buried from a Catholic funeral Mass if that is what her family wishes. However, what I don't want to see is a public spectacle like Ted Kennedy's funeral. I don't want the Cardinal there, etc. It should be a private family Mass. A large public show, is, in my opinion, a scandal - unless of course some deathbed confession and recanting of her pro-abortion ways were to be made public by her family.

16 posted on 03/28/2011 5:24:38 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: stockpirate
I agree with you, and I will go a bit further. A politician passes laws which allow other people to act without (obvious) consequences. A politician gives speeches encouraging people in one behaviro or another. Ferraro was involved in politics for decades and persuaded a lot of people to engage in evil behavior. She led them astray.

I'm no theologian, but it seems to me that if I sin in my private life, but honestly repent as my end draws near, then Jesus may forgive my sins -- but if I have labored diligently to lead others into sin over the course of decades, I am not so sure that a quiet little "Sorry, 'bout that" on my deathbed is going to be sufficient.

But I guess we won't know until we stand before the Lord for judgement.

17 posted on 03/28/2011 5:25:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: jacknhoo

Ferraro has always been a smug, leftist, pro-abortion politician. She deserves no Church sanctioned funeral and burial.

She will, nevertheless, get one.


18 posted on 03/28/2011 5:25:24 AM PDT by IbJensen (Grab your pitchforks!)
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To: napscoordinator
We don’t know if she is or not. Anyway what you and I say doesn’t matter. She will get the Catholic funeral so it really is not worth discussing.

Thank God Catholic funerals are meaningless when it comes to eternal life...If the lady was a true Christian, she's already standing at the side of our Saviour, Jesus Christ...And if not, she'll be on her knees and on her own without an advocate at the final Judgment...

19 posted on 03/28/2011 5:48:33 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: IbJensen

And I am grateful that I do not get “what I deserve”. Funerals are for the family and I embrace them as an opportunity to focus on the prospect of eternal life. Live for eternity. If you disagree with the rules of a church, find another church, and yes, I understand that individual congregations of a particular religion practice different beliefs, there are Catholics for choice, Priests for choice etc. Satan is intent on confusing and ensnaring all of us.


20 posted on 03/28/2011 5:49:39 AM PDT by All Blue State
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To: napscoordinator
First of all, she could have went to confession to confess her sins.
What's that, like a "get out of jail free" card?
All the confessing in the world won't bring back the babies she was in favor of aborting.
21 posted on 03/28/2011 5:55:33 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: napscoordinator

Only God knows what is in her heart.

I agree. Its a bit too self righteous for me to judge the unknown.


22 posted on 03/28/2011 5:57:47 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: stockpirate
By your belief Hitler could have repented the same hour he died and he’s forgiven.

Well, yeah. That's kind of the general deal with forgiveness: it's open to anyone (even the worst of us) if we repent.

However, mouthing the phonemes that produce the sounds "I'm sorry," isn't the same as heart-felt repentence. If you've spent a lifetime in careless or deliberate evil, it's extremely unlikely, unless you are granted the grace by God, that at the very end of it, you're going to be particularly sorry. You're probably more likely to be self-congratulatory, and to deny that you've done anything wrong. Still, there's hope: As Samuel Johnson once said, the knowledge that one is to be hanged tomorrow clears the mind wonderfully.

And if Hitler does wind up "walking the streets of glory," it won't be because God was taken in by a piece of deathbed verbal sophistry that even we can see through, but because the man was genuinely sorry for what he had done (at least as far as he was able to understand it). If I'm counting on grace for myself, I'm sure not going to be in a hurry to deny it to others.

23 posted on 03/28/2011 6:04:10 AM PDT by Dunstan McShane
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To: napscoordinator
You sound like quite the “Liberal” Catholic, to me.

Of course, we are supposed to, and are called to, judge. I do not buy the “judge not” lie of the leftists.

Ferraro spent a lifetime advocating and supporting in every way, killing of defenseless innocent little children.

You, especially you, do NOT need to speak with me. I spent far too much time in the accompaniment of persons like yourself. I'll never make that same mistake again.

24 posted on 03/28/2011 6:28:50 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: stockpirate
By your belief Hitler could have repented the same hour he died and he’s forgiven.

You believe differently?

25 posted on 03/28/2011 6:47:42 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Has "let me be clear" become a drinking game yet?)
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To: newzjunkey
By your belief Hitler could have repented the same hour he died

Those arguments are usually red herrings anyway - they are theoretical constructs which have little basis in reality. A "Hitler" is no "thief on the cross"...he would hardly be the type to suffer a genuine change of heart at the last minute.

Something like that could only happen by the hand of God - and were God to ordain such a thing, who would I be to argue? But like I say...not remotely likely. The best you could hope for otherwise would be someone truly insane who had committed unspeakable crimes to suddenly experience a moment of clarity, and be remorseful - but that's still not a "Hitler".
26 posted on 03/28/2011 6:54:12 AM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: jacknhoo
Public Catholic funerals are forbidden by Church law for individuals unrepentant of of an excommunicable offense or grave public sin, and whose funeral would thereby scandalize the faithful.
27 posted on 03/28/2011 7:37:30 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: jacknhoo

But do you know if she received the Anointing of the Sick, (the last rites) went to Confession and so was basically a deathbed re-coversion?

We don’t know. Only her priest and God knows. We cannot judge.


28 posted on 03/28/2011 9:07:52 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Reagan69

No, NO, NO, and NO.

It’s not about money.

It’s about whether the person repented before they died and received the Last Sacraments.


29 posted on 03/28/2011 9:09:41 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: LibLieSlayer

**she will not like what she has reaped for hers years of sowing.**

Purgatory (if that is where is soul is) is not a pleasant place either.

And we all know about hell.


30 posted on 03/28/2011 9:10:59 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: stockpirate

Neither the Catholic Church nor God supports abortion.

In fact the Catholic Church has been the leader in standing against abortion.

As to what they say and do — how do you know if Ferraro had a final Confession and receive the Anointing of the Sick?

Or are you now a god-judge?


31 posted on 03/28/2011 9:12:54 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: jacknhoo

You, especially you, do NOT need to speak with me. I spent far too much time in the accompaniment of persons like yourself. I’ll never make that same mistake again.

Thank you God. You have not provided me a thing. In fact, you are the biggest complainer on Free Republic. You can judge all you want and when you finally kick the can trust me I will judge your worthless butt......when is that day anyway???? Soon????


32 posted on 03/28/2011 9:17:10 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Salvation
I am not judging her salvation, only her acts...I can and do judge her acts. I can also judge that she should not receive a public Catholic Funeral.

Tell me Salvation, what is your view on this “judgment:”

Lesbian ‘Catholic’ Priestess Denied Catholic Funeral Rites
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2010/may/10052008

Excerpt ( And 100% appropriate “judgement”):

Archbishop Raymond Burke, head of the Vatican's Apostolic Signatura, the highest ecclesial court of appeal, defended Catholics opposing the Kennedy funeral by re-affirming that “neither Holy Communion nor funeral rites should be administered to” politicians who support abortion or same-sex “marriage.”

“To deny these is not a judgment of the soul, but a recognition of the scandal and its effects,” he said.

33 posted on 03/28/2011 9:25:43 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: napscoordinator

“In fact, you are the biggest complainer on Free Republic.”

So, you bear false witness, too.


34 posted on 03/28/2011 9:29:07 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: All

Satan—‘Father of Lies’—at Work When Critics of Scandal are Ridiculed, Says Vatican’s American Chief Justice

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/father-lies-work-when-critics-scandal-an


35 posted on 03/28/2011 9:52:01 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Dunstan McShane
If I'm counting on grace for myself, I'm sure not going to be in a hurry to deny it to others.

Right but Jesus gave His grace at The Cross and they would have to deny it themselves. If they didn't confess Him as their Savior and truly believe it - there is no salvation. How likely is it that Hitler had any belief in Jesus as His Savior - he might have heard it as head knowledge but truly believe it on his deathbed is a stretch. Doing what he did to God's dearly beloved is satanic - and that's where his beliefs came from.
36 posted on 03/28/2011 9:56:09 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: stockpirate
By your belief Hitler could have repented the same hour he died and he’s forgiven

I believe that is conventional and also orthodox Christian belief.

37 posted on 03/28/2011 10:05:03 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: Salvation

Amen.

LLS


38 posted on 03/28/2011 10:05:27 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: presently no screen name
How likely is it that Hitler had any belief in Jesus as His Savior - he might have heard it as head knowledge but truly believe it on his deathbed is a stretch.

You understand, I hope, that I am not arguing that this has happened, only that it is possible--and that possibility has to be held open for anybody capable of repenting, even (maybe especially) desperately evil monsters who need to stop being desperately evil monsters.

39 posted on 03/28/2011 10:34:21 AM PDT by Dunstan McShane
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To: presently no screen name

When you read this political testament of Hitler signed one day prior to committing suicide one doesn’t see any contrition.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/My_Political_Testament


40 posted on 03/28/2011 11:54:36 AM PDT by xp38
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To: Iscool

Your truly saved when you soul man walks past the pearly gates and you can look back at the gates. So you know when the enemy can’t tempt you anymore. But in the mean time it’s still a trip. And temptatain does still happen for now. We are all pilgrims till we get to the final destination Heaven then we are truly Home. Saved in the house from the sinful worldly elements( the Flesh, the World and the Devil).


41 posted on 03/28/2011 12:13:28 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: xp38

Didn’t know this existed. Right, I don’t see any contrition - he thinks it was right and needed. Thank you.


42 posted on 03/28/2011 2:23:52 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: corrys

Can’t we cut people some slack when they die? Who knows about these things except for God?


43 posted on 03/28/2011 8:10:27 PM PDT by corrys (Ping List)
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