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HEAVEN: WHY ARE PEOPLE SO HAPPY THERE? [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
StillCatholic.com ^ | March 2004 | Claire/StillCatholic.com

Posted on 03/28/2011 9:53:43 PM PDT by Salvation

HEAVEN: WHY ARE PEOPLE SO HAPPY THERE?          

StillCatholic.com 

 Everybody knows that in heaven there will be no pain, no suffering, no death, no bad feelings, no mourning, no anxiety, no fear, no sin, no heartache or headache or flu or allergies or itchy nose. Just love, justice, mercy, friendship, and intense joy.

 But the real reason people are so happy in heaven is that the most loveable person in the entire universe will be theirs, and they will be showered by love and gifts by Him eternally. If you’ve only met human people in your life, then this divine person, Jesus Christ, is really going to be something. He will steal your heart.

  One of our favorite activities in heaven will be singing praises to Him. As earthlings, it’s hard to imagine the pure bliss of that relationship. If you are married to the love of your life, then do you remember the minute right before you met him or her? At that moment, you probably could not have imagined that a person as wonderful as your spouse existed.

 Likewise, as of today, we cannot possibly imagine the extent of God’s love or greatness. But the minute we meet Him face to face for the first time, we will have something that is a million times more spectacular than any relationship on Earth. We will have a life we do not yet have the capacity to imagine. We will long for nothing but Him, and this longing will be fulfilled.

 “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love Him” (1 Corinthians 2:9).

 The above is probably all we need to know about heaven.

 But here are some tidbits you may be interested in, especially if you hope to dwell there in the near or distant future.

 In heaven, we will not be confined by time or space. In fact, time is a dimension created only for us Earthlings. In heaven, will not have to wait in line at the airport if we want to visit our cousins across the ocean. Rather, we will be able to communicate with others freely, without restraint. I would say it’s sort of like sending 100 e-mails to 100 different people at once, in full hologram, but without having to type anything. J

 Ever wanted to watch every cable TV station simultaneously, including foreign language channels? This type of ability seems much more likely in heaven (not that there are any TVs up there).

 What we know for sure is that our ability to process information will be greatly enhanced.

 “…the Bible indicates that the glorified human intellect enjoyed by the saints in heaven has a phenomenal ability to process information, dwarfing anything we are capable of in this life. This is shown by the fact that, on Judgment Day, we will review every act of our lives” and of others, according to Catholic Answers (see catholic.com)

 In heaven, we are promised we will see our loved ones who passed away on Earth.

 In heaven, questions we’ve always had will be answered.

 In heaven, we will experience the eternal wedding feast.

 Everyone in heaven will love us and care about us, and vice versa. Nobody will have a single complaint about us. We will have no doubts that their love for us is sincere because the moral, spiritual state of all will be apparent to all, with the saints and martyrs having the highest degrees of glory shining through them, and with nobody at all having the slightest selfish or jealous thought left in them.

 In heaven, we will not have to work to put food on the table or to pay bills. We will not have to do mundane things like take out the trash or empty the dishwasher.

 But there will be things to do.

 If there is “work,” it will only be of the most amazing, most fulfilling, most creative kind.

If you always felt your true calling was to paint or dance or do something more, then perhaps that’s what you’ll be doing in heaven.  What we know for sure, is that nobody will be working for self gain or selfish glory. In heaven, we will be ultimately fulfilled and perfected, sharing our gifts in the way we were made to. We will know what we were designed for.

 Ironically, the more we labor for God on earth, and the more we give up our own ambitions in order to focus on others, the more fulfilled we will feel in heaven.

 DIFFERENT REWARDS IN HEAVEN

For, in heaven, there are different rewards for different people.

 John 14:2 “In my father’s house, there are many mansions.”

  St. Augustine and other Church Fathers said that the many mansions refer to different levels of reward in heaven for different levels of merit acquired by believers on Earth.

 St. Thomas Aquinas agreed, writing: "The more one will be united to God the happier will one be."

 The Catechism of Trent puts it this way: [For in my Father's house, says our Lord, there are many mansions," in which shall be distributed rewards of greater and of less value according to each one's deserts. He who soweth sparingly, shall also reap sparingly: and he who soweth in blessings, shall also reap blessings]

“ Now this I say: He who soweth sparingly shall also reap sparingly: and he  who soweth in blessings shall also reap blessings.” [2 Cor 9:6]

Just as a person who longs and waits to be reunited with a spouse during a war, we on earth have been separated from the One who loves us more than anyone else (due to the fall of Adam and Eve). Our final destiny and fulfillment is with God. True and everlasting happiness can only be possible with Him. This is what our lives are leading up to. This is what we are supposed to be preparing for by being loyal to Him in all that we do. If you ever feel restless, it’s because you are not yet with Him.

We will see God face to face the minute we enter heaven.

 It’s not really worth the time imagining what heaven is like. God tells us it is so great we just don’t have the capacity to envision it.

 *Will we have our physical bodies in heaven?

Yes, on the Last Day, when Jesus comes to Earth to judge the heaven and the earth, we will be reunited with our glorified bodies. Before then, our souls will be in heaven, separated from our bodies, which will later rise. Or our souls will be in purgatory, being purged from any remaining sinfulness before entrance into heaven.

 *Where is heaven, anyway? Well, we know it will be in a definite location. Some theologians think God will destroy the current universe and create a new heaven. Others say God will completely remake the existing Earth into a heavenly one.

 *Will we still be married to our spouse? No, but we believe we will maintain a special relationship with him or her, and with all friends and relatives. Although we will not be married, we believe we will be even closer to our spouse and other family members than on earth. We will have deeper love for each other, as well as a deeper love for our family members and friends. We will be overjoyed to see them there.

*How hard is it to enter heaven, according to the Bible?  

"...how hard is it for them that trust in riches, to enter into the Kingdom of GOD? It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of GOD." (Mark 10:24-25)

"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction, and those who enter through it are many. How narrow is the Gate and straight is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it." (Matthew 7:13-14)

"Lay not up to yourselves treasures on earth...But lay up to yourselves treasures in Heaven: where neither the rust, nor moth doth consume, and where thieves do not break through and steal." (Matthew 6:19-20)

*How does one enter heaven?

We must have faith, hope, and love. We must understand that it is not our own merits, but Christ’s, that allow us to inherit eternal life. We must say yes to God’s grace, which calls us to detach ourselves from the things of this world…money, power, fame, popularity and other earthly pleasures….and to help the least of our brothers, loving others more than ourselves.  Finally, Jesus promised eternal life to those who eat His flesh and drink His blood. (see John 6:54)

Those still attached to worldly things cannot enter heaven.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states:

Jesus enjoins his disciples to prefer him to everything and everyone, and bids them "renounce all that [they have]" for his sake and that of the Gospel.335 Shortly before his passion he gave them the example of the poor widow of Jerusalem who, out of her poverty, gave all that she had to live on.336 The precept of detachment from riches is obligatory for entrance into the Kingdom of heaven.

All Christ's faithful are to "direct their affections rightly, lest they be hindered in their pursuit of perfect charity by the use of worldly things and by an adherence to riches which is contrary to the spirit of evangelical poverty” (paragraphs 2544, 2555)

 What does Claire find fascinating about theologians’ descriptions of heaven?

 Well, I’m glad you asked. First, God the Father does not have a body, so we will not see him with our physical eyes, but rather in some more intense and all-consuming way.

So, what I find particularly fascinating are theologians who say God will actually be connected to our minds.  

Rev. William G. Most writes: “…Pope Benedict XII defined that when we see God, there is no image at all in between Him and us. How can that be? St. Thomas Aquinas made the obvious addition: If there is no image, then God must join Himself directly to our intellect to do the work of an image. That really is seeing "face to face."

              Now, this sort of vision is possible only for a creature that is part divine. Within the Blessed Trinity there are two infinite streams of knowledge and love. Chapter I of St. John's Gospel tells us that the Father speaks a Word. That Word is not the quickly passing vibration of the air that our words are. No, it is substantial and it fully expresses Him. It is a Divine Person, the Word, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. That is the infinite stream of knowledge, that IS a Divine Person. Between these Divine Persons there arises equally infinite love. Again, that love is no mere vibration, it is substantial, it is, again, a Person, the Holy Spirit, who IS the love of the Father for the Son, and the Son for the Father. [“Catholic Apologetics Today” by Rev. William G. Most, p. 159]



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: apologetics; catholic; heaven

 If our sanctification is not fully complete when we die, what will the final purging be like (before we enter heaven)?

Claire’s answer to this question is at http://www.stillcatholic.com/CATHPurg.htm


1 posted on 03/28/2011 9:53:54 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: All

 BELOW, AUGUSTINE DISCUSSES THE MANY MANSIONS IN HEAVEN, AND HOW CHRISTIANS WITH GREATER MERIT (THOSE WHO LABOR HARDER WHILE ON EARTH) WILL HAVE GREATER ETERNAL GLORY THAN OTHERS IN HEAVEN (but all with any grace will go to heaven)

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A few more Bible verses on how we’ll be transformed in heaven:

 “…it hath not yet appeared what we shall be. We know that when he shall appear we shall be like to him: because we shall see him as he is.” [1 Jn 3:2]

 “But we all, beholding the glory of the Lord with open face, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, as by the Spirit of the Lord” [2 Cor 3:18]

 “Then shall the eyes of the blind be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped” [Is 35:5-10]

 “For where thy treasure is, there is thy heart also” [Mt 6:21]

 “And night shall be no more. And they shall not need the light of the lamp, nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God shall enlighten then. And they shall reign for ever and ever” [Rev. 22:3-5)

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2 posted on 03/28/2011 9:54:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: All

 St. Augustine of Hippo: Tractates on the Gospel of John

TRACTATE 67 (JOHN 14:1-3)

But why have we this that follows, "In my Father's house are many mansions," but that they were also in fear about themselves? And therein they might have heard the words, "Let not your heart be troubled." For, was there any of them that could be free from fear, when Peter, the most confident and forward of them all, was told, "The cock shall not crow till thou hast denied me thrice"? Considering themselves, therefore, beginning with Peter, as destined to perish, they had cause to be troubled: but when they now hear, "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you," they are revived from their trouble, made certain and confident that after all the perils of temptations they shall dwell with Christ in the presence of God. For, albeit one is stronger than another, one wiser than another, one more righteous than another, "in the Father's house there are many mansions;" none of them shall remain outside that house, where every one, according to his deserts, is to receive a mansion. All alike have that penny, which the householder orders to be given to all that have wrought in the vineyard, making no distinction therein between those who have labored less and those who have labored more: by which penny, of course, is signified eternal life, whereto no one any longer lives to a different length than others, since in eternity life has no diversity in its measure. But the many mansions point to the different grades of merit in that one eternal life. For there is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory; and so also the resurrection of the dead. The saints, like the stars in the sky, obtain in the kingdom different mansions of diverse degrees of brightness; but on account of that one penny no one is cut off from the kingdom; and God will be all in all in such a way, that, as God is love, love will bring it about that what is possessed by each will be common to all. For in this way every one really possesses it, when he loves to see in another what he has not himself. There will not, therefore, be any envying amid this diversity of brightness, since in all of them will be reigning the unity of love

 (Source: Catholic Encyclopedia: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1701067.htm)

 No more time and space in heaven:

“But of this one thing be not ignorant, my beloved, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” (2 Pet 3:8)


3 posted on 03/28/2011 9:55:07 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

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 FOR MORE INFO ON HEAVEN, SEE

http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Homiletic/04-97/1/1.html (Our Life in Heaven)

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/3543/heaven.htm

http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/trent/tcreed12.htm (Trent on heaven)

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07170a.htm (Catholic Encyclopedia on heaven)

http://www.cin.org/users/jgallegos/heaven.htm (Early Church Fathers on heaven & hell)

http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/aquinas/acreed12.htm (Thomas Aquinas on heaven and hell)

http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/baltimore/bcreed12.htm (Baltimore Catechism)

http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/pius/pcreed12.htm (St. Pius X)

http://www.oldcatholic.com/saints.html (The Saints in Heaven Intercede for Us)

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a11.htm (Catechism of the Catholic Church)

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a12.htm#1042 (Catechism)

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c2a6.htm#659 (Jesus ascended into heaven)

http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/most/getchap.cfm?WorkNum=212&ChapNum=24 (theologian William G. Most)

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4 posted on 03/28/2011 9:55:39 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Talking about heaven ping!


5 posted on 03/28/2011 9:59:25 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Its nice one provides a lots of information also give more data over topic.


6 posted on 03/28/2011 10:07:04 PM PDT by joeraman
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To: joeraman

Thanks, joe, Didn’t know you were Catholic or Orthodox.

Welcome.


7 posted on 03/28/2011 10:08:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: joeraman
I always try to provide links to most things I post. Here are some additional links about heaven posted on FR.

HEAVEN: WHY ARE PEOPLE SO HAPPY THERE? [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
What Is Heaven Really Like? [Ecumenical]

When Was the Last Time You Meditated on Heaven? That Long?! Try This.
The Sinner's Guide - Ch 9. The Ninth Motive for Practicing Virtue: The Thought of Heaven
Pope speaks with priests from his diocese about Heaven and Hell
STUNG BY MOST VENOMOUS OF CREATURES, MAN SAYS HE ENCOUNTERED 'LIGHT' OF LORD'
A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 9: Heaven
Heaven and hell seem to be forgotten
Imagine there's a heaven
Limbo and the Hope of Salvation
Catholic Caucus: The Resurrection of the Dead
Resurrection Means a Glorious Existence

8 posted on 03/28/2011 10:11:38 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Mar 12:25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

Luk 20:34 Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage.

Luk 20:35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage,

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Sorry, but does this has always left more questions than answers


9 posted on 03/28/2011 10:20:38 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Kindness will conquer evil)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

In heaven belieif is that a person will have an intimate relationship/friendship with a spouse, but there will not be marriage in heaven.

Perhaps one was judged by God to be more worthy than the other. They won’t necessarily be together.


10 posted on 03/28/2011 10:23:48 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
He inhabits the praises of his people. I had an audio "glimpse" of Praise after prayers once just heavenly. I believe the real ecstasy is when we will be near God without the worldly trappings(the flesh, The world and the devil). That will be heaven.

REVELAION 22:

3And there shall be No Curse any more; but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and his servants shall serve him.

4And they shall see his face: and his name shall be on their foreheads.(Gee why do we do the sign of the cross there when the Gospel's read during Mass-Holy Spirit inspired indeed!!)

5And night shall be no more: and they shall not need the light of the lamp, nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God shall enlighten them, and they shall reign for ever and ever.

No more Light but GOD. What an awesome GOD!!!!

Praise Jesus!!! Amen!

11 posted on 03/28/2011 10:28:13 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Even though spouses may be in different mansions in heaven, each spouse will be perfectly happy where he or she is. There is no jealousy in heaven.


12 posted on 03/28/2011 10:28:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

HEAVEN: WHY ARE PEOPLE SO HAPPY THERE?

No taxes?


13 posted on 03/28/2011 10:38:50 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: johngrace

It is a glorious imagining, isn’t it?

I think about the glorious mysteries and how there was so much light around the Resurrection — the angels, etc.

And Mary Magdalene did not recognize Christ, because he had already received his glorified body.

Probalby my most favorite (can you have a most favorite? LOL!) description of Easter Sunday is the Road to Emmaus story and how the two disciples did not recognize Christ. That is until he broke bread with them and disappeared into the bread! At least, that’s my take on it. Totally a Eucharistic story.


14 posted on 03/28/2011 10:38:52 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Because Rich Little isn’t dead yet?


15 posted on 03/28/2011 10:39:39 PM PDT by Sto Zvirat
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To: CrazyIvan

LOL! Could be one reason!


16 posted on 03/28/2011 10:40:37 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

The breaking of the Bread is a great moment. Yes!


17 posted on 03/28/2011 10:41:37 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: Sto Zvirat

Did you read the article about the reuniting of bodies with souls at the Last Judgmenet?


18 posted on 03/28/2011 10:41:46 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Why are people happy in Heaven?

You have to ask?


19 posted on 03/28/2011 10:44:03 PM PDT by hoagy62 (Help stamp out crack-pull up your pants.)
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To: hoagy62

No pain~~~~~~~


20 posted on 03/28/2011 10:48:59 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

It must be a great place. No one ever comes back to tell us about it.


21 posted on 03/28/2011 10:50:57 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Salvation
Heaven will be about HIM alone.....
We will shower Him with love and praise and thanksgiving....Forever.

We will only be a reflection of His grace....

I do not care what I will be then....I only want be with my Savior Jesus.

22 posted on 03/28/2011 10:52:54 PM PDT by astratt7 (obama,muslim,politics)
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To: Vendome

Yes they have. Read about Near Death Experiences. NDEs

One book which I have read is by Dr. Jeffrey Long which has statistics that cut across religion, race, age, culture on these NDEs. The title of his book is “Evidence of the Afterlife.” It’s a great read.

Another book is “90 Minutes in Heaven” in which a man was dead foro 90 minutes and then came back to life because someone was praying and singing for him. I haven’t read that one, but I have read Long’s book.

I recommend it.


23 posted on 03/28/2011 11:00:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Vendome
Evidence of The Afterlife

24 posted on 03/28/2011 11:03:39 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

The only place where Socialism works?


25 posted on 03/28/2011 11:55:08 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: astratt7

2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;

3 Do not have any other gods before me.

4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,

6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.

When you say it’s all about “Him” - are you referring to the Author of the First Commandment?


26 posted on 03/29/2011 12:48:17 AM PDT by golux
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To: Salvation

My advice is to recognize that Scripture tells you all you can comprehend rather than trying to elaborate on what you can’t comprehend anyway. Speculation about the afterlife leads to things like someone making up an entirely new religion based on what they think makes for a logical afterlife rather than sticking to Scripture.


27 posted on 03/29/2011 2:01:09 AM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: Salvation

I remember there was this book about this kid and I think I had seen a FR thread somewhere about him being in Heaven for a short time.


28 posted on 03/29/2011 3:30:27 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: Rashputin

But it is sure nice to get a preview of Heaven, just like a movie preview.


29 posted on 03/29/2011 3:33:52 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: Salvation

Thanks for the ping

B U M P


30 posted on 03/29/2011 5:17:13 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama:If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun (the REAL Arizona instigator))
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To: Salvation

I guess the best place to read about what heaven is like is in the Bible, and what i read is most likely not to be taken literally, for instance streets of gold and all of that.

So i don,t have any idea what heaven is like and will have to admit the only reason i would have for wanting to go there would be that i don,t want to go to hell, what ever that is.

And whats more i don,t think any one on this earth knows and i don,t think we are supposed to know.


31 posted on 03/29/2011 5:36:27 AM PDT by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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To: Biggirl

But it is sure nice to get a preview of Heaven, just like a movie preview.


I think if i saw a preview of heaven, i would have to suspect it was from hell.


32 posted on 03/29/2011 5:44:21 AM PDT by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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To: Salvation

Yes they have. Read about Near Death Experiences. NDEs


Do you really believe that these books prove anything?

Worship me and I will make you king or queen of the entire earth and all of heaven.


33 posted on 03/29/2011 5:54:31 AM PDT by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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To: ravenwolf

Why? Please explain it.


34 posted on 03/29/2011 6:31:44 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: ravenwolf

You forget that God DOES give the gift of dreams, as the Bible says, the two Josephs, both of the OT and NT is proof.


35 posted on 03/29/2011 6:54:10 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: ravenwolf

Plus visions, as seen with John with what would become the NT book of Revelations.


36 posted on 03/29/2011 6:55:08 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: golux

Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are one and the same, separate and together.

The answer to your question is.....YES.


37 posted on 03/29/2011 8:25:34 AM PDT by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: Biggirl

And when he came back he told his mom that his sister (a miscarriage) said “Hi.”

Is that the story? He was only four years old and they had never told him about the miscarried child.


38 posted on 03/29/2011 8:40:06 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ravenwolf

Please read that book with all the doctor’s statistics and then you tell me.


39 posted on 03/29/2011 8:41:34 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RoadGumby

I see what you mean, but I just can’t see how people find wiggle room in the First Commandment. To me it is a trans-historical, immutable warning to mankind to beware of our own temptation to create earthly manifestations and pluralities of divinity of one sort or another and worship them.


40 posted on 03/29/2011 8:46:19 AM PDT by golux
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To: golux

One and two go hand in hand.

A graven image is an idol. As well, other idols (graven images?) include but are not limited to - Money, job, car, boat, anything placed in a higher position than God. You money, if more important than God, is a god before Him.


41 posted on 03/29/2011 9:05:54 AM PDT by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: Salvation

Yes, that is the one. It is somewhere on FR.


42 posted on 03/29/2011 9:20:27 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: Salvation

I don't get it.  How can there be spirits visiting anyone?

Mormon author Joseph Heinerman: "The inhabitants of the spirit world have received special permission to visit their mortal descendants and assist them and impress upon their minds the primary importance of assimilating genealogical information and performing vicarious ordinance work in the temples." (Source: Preface to Heinerman's book, Spirit World Manifestations)

Liar - Deceiver - Fraud

Luke 16:19-31 (King James Version)

 19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

 20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

 21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

 22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

 23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

 24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

 25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

 26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

 27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

 28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

 29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

 30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

 31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.


43 posted on 03/29/2011 10:00:17 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Salvation

I will be happy to be with God. I can’t even imagine eternity without him. That would be hell.


44 posted on 03/29/2011 11:04:30 AM PDT by Just Lori
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To: Salvation

Who is Claire?


45 posted on 03/29/2011 1:35:22 PM PDT by diamond6 (Check out: http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/home.php and learn about the faith.)
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To: Biggirl

You forget that God DOES give the gift of dreams, as the Bible says, the two Josephs, both of the OT and NT is proof.


Right, but we know they are true because they came to pass, a prophet is known by his word that comes to pass whether it came to him in a dream or by other means if what he says don,t come to pass he is not a prophet.

If we paid heed to every one who said they had dreams of the future or could foretell what was going to happen because they saw it in a dream, we just as well forget about the word of God which we claim to believe in and follow after those dreamers.

With all of the dreamers, diviners, witch,s and etc i wonder why God mistakenly thought we needed his word for anything.


46 posted on 03/29/2011 5:39:12 PM PDT by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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To: Salvation

Please read that book with all the doctor’s statistics and then you tell me.


I have read things concerning the death or near death experience, and i don,t take no stock in it, not that some of it is not true as it is seen by the teller, maby a sign to them but if it was to be taught it would be in the Bible.


47 posted on 03/29/2011 5:49:58 PM PDT by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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To: Salvation
One time, I was traveling, joined a crowded Mass wherever I was that evening ... and heard an elderly priest give this as His explanation of the "happiness" of Heaven. Perhaps he was all wrong, but it struck a serious note with me and has stayed with me through the years.

Roughly, he likened the feeling of happiness a young teen or someone very "in love" feels when they anticipate seeing and finally see their "love".

One could feel this anticipation or satisfaction when referring to the Happiness of Heaven multiplied by thousands.

Almost all of us have experienced that wonderful feeling and I have remembered it always.

I "speak" to my deceased husband often and ask him this very question, not for any reason of apologetics ... but in anticipation of someday seeing him again, even though I know that that may not be a part of Heaven's Happiness.

For my own part, I have always remembered this simple explanation ... not any part of real apologetics, but reasonable for me.
48 posted on 03/30/2011 6:28:19 AM PDT by AKA Elena (May the healing Archangel Raphael intercede on your behalf.)
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To: Just Lori

What an incredible last post. I sure do miss you FRiend.


49 posted on 07/28/2011 7:26:40 PM PDT by del4hope (Cut, cut, cut. STOP SPENDING! Balance the Budget!!!)
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