Comparing LDS Beliefs with First-Century Christianity (REAL Mormon / LDS)

LDS.org ^ | Daniel C. Peterson and Stephen D. Ricks

[Grig]

Thanks for the clarification. Seems to me that post 3 violates that then but it’s your call to make.

[BlueMoose]

Looks like Martin Luther was well respected in his day.

Many of my relatives attend the Central Lutheran Church here.

I have attended some services

Mostly funerals.

I go there every New Years with my Alaskan Native friends from the Sobriety Movement.

Have had many chats with the minster there. A relative of may wife.

They they sign a Sobriety Pledge for the New Year and I support them in that. How ever Graig told me once he would not insult my by giving me a pledge.

I was at a funeral once for a funeral for one of my wife's relatives and was asked to leave the Prayer Circle.

Fine I went out and set in the hallway. It's OK if someone is uncomfortable with me being there. The minister's wife came out and said that should have never happened and the family would like me in the Prayer Circle.

I did notice that the person that was offended that a "CULT" member was there was invited to come back when she was sober.

It would be improper to attend if it's going to disturb the service.

Pastor Joe always acts friendly and has said I'm welcome to visit any time. He understands my religion. I don't discuss my religion with him except to support the Sobriety Movement.

My wife's dance group sponsor's the Sobriety Movement here.

[restornu]

Don’t compare Freepers or the Forum to Nazis.

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Huh?

I am confused RM this thing seems to have gotten turn around and and imply or infer that grig said this when that really is not the case.

it the same stuff that anti are doing turn it around so it seem the LDS said that when it was the opposite.

Gee wiz lets be forthright!

what is so hard in doing the right things walk the good walk!

this kind of behavior makes me sick to my stomach!

[restornu]

oh how I hate to see and how sad...

and now nothing but a dream of what it once was...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gzLQZ0PHes

[restornu]

Jan Peerce - May the Good Lord Bless and Keep You (1951)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIK25cozg0I&feature=related

[restornu]

(BTW-The Nazis and the Mormons got along just fine from what I've read....by authors who weren't self-serving like your cult's shills.)

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Oh really will this is from a distant relative of mine...

Truth & Conviction: The Helmuth Hubener Story

By 1941, Hitler’s Nazi regime had seized unbelievable control over the German people, dictating what they read, what they said-even what they believed. A whispered criticism of the Nazi Party could lead to a Gestapo interrogation and prison. In this environment, a young man, sixteen years old, took action that some considered foolhardy, and others viewed as treacherous and morally wrong. What he did was certainly dangerous. Today many consider his actions heroic. This is the story of Helmuth Hubener.

Helmuth Hubener led a resistance group composed of himself and two of his childhood friends from his LDS Church branch. The three of them carefully distributed flyers throughout Hamburg that denounced Hitler and his propaganda machine. This documentary chronicles what happened to these young men, and the ultimate price paid by those who dared to stand up for the truth.

Using archival footage and still photography as well as new film footage shot on location in Germany, this film takes an unprecedented in-depth look at a compelling and complex story. Included is an extensive interview with the last remaining survivor of the resistance group.

DVD includes exclusive interviews and other material not found in the broadcast or VHS versions.

Relased: November 2002
Movie Length: 80 minutes

By comparing Mormons to Nazi does not exclude those Freepers who are also Mormons...

RM when statements like this is made...

"Don’t compare Freepers or the Forum to Nazis."

Is not someone trying to wee wee on my leg?

Once to every man and nation

[BlueMoose]

From what I read the Christan Church's and the German government got along very well.

[restornu]

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.
by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945

[BlueMoose]

I'm personally insulted by being called Nazi in post #3. This is your house so you can insult me if you want.

[Religion Moderator]

I'm personally insulted by being called Nazi in post #3.

The offending statement in post #3:

(BTW-The Nazis and the Mormons got along just fine from what I've read....by authors who weren't self-serving like your cult's shills.)

The way it is worded, he recognizes that Nazis and Mormons are not the same thing (otherwise how could they get along?) And he attributes the claim to third parties - "by authors."

restornu's complaint is that the post compared Mormons (and therefore Freepers who are Mormon) to Nazis.

From post #3:

You continually post your cult propaganda in a manner that would make Herr Doktor Joe proud

The comparison is to "a manner" not an individual so, technically, it is not comparing Freepers individually or collectively.

Nevertheless, it is pushing the envelope too far so don't do it anymore, Emperor Palpatine.

Everyone is well advised to remember Godwin's Law, basically that on the internet, raising Hitler or Nazis in an argument is a sign of desperation. The poster has run out of rational arguments. Declare yourself the winner under Godwin's law and walk away.

[restornu]

Yes we are all familar with....

Bill Clinton and the Meaning of "Is"

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true."

somehow along the way the meaning of simular got lost!

BTW ones demeanor in how they treat others should be the focus not labeling those who you dislike, but when used to describe how one treats or behaves towards those they try to scorch earth!

EP use was a back handed smear to those whom the antis have contempt towards.

PD was trying to show just how similar tactic were being applied and used to scorch earth a group such as the LDS!

and how is that recognized...

The duck test is a humorous term for a form of inductive reasoning. This is its usual expression:

“ If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. ”

The test implies that a person can identify an unknown subject by observing that subject's habitual characteristics. It is sometimes used to counter abstruse arguments that something is not what it appears to be.

[restornu]

…and to think I could not even spell flag when I first started to practice on FR

That was my first post which no longer exist there is one thing I have to be thankful for here to struggle through all the humiliation over the years to learn how to complete a thought.

God bless those who were so kind and patience with me in spite of those hard hearted souls!

United Nations Flages
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38dd55405d5c.htm

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Religion Moderator,

Thank you for wading through all the human emotion and laying down rules that are reasonable and well thought through.

I especially agree with this statement:

"Everyone is well advised to remember Godwin's Law, basically that on the internet, raising Hitler or Nazis in an argument is a sign of desperation. The poster has run out of rational arguments. Declare yourself the winner under Godwin's law and walk away."

I find you to be even-handed, reasonable and amazingly patient.

Best,

ampu

[Religion Moderator]

Thank you.

[greyfoxx39]

“ If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. ”

...something is not what it appears to be.

[BlueMoose]

“We must give reason a vacation and enter a different school. We must refrain from consulting reason. We must bid reason hold its peace; we must order it to be dead. We must gouge out its eyes and pluck its feathers...,” “You must kill the other thoughts and the ways of reason or of the flesh, for God detests them.”

[restornu]

“Everyone is well advised to remember Godwin’s Law, basically that on the internet, raising Hitler or Nazis in an argument is a sign of desperation. The poster has run out of rational arguments. Declare yourself the winner under Godwin’s law and walk away.”

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Unless one is on the receiving end of such cloak behavior!

[aMorePerfectUnion]

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[aMorePerfectUnion]

"Unless one is on the receiving end of such cloak behavior!"

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Perhaps that would be an opportunity to trust mormon gods with the situation?

[Godzilla]

Tell that to the Christians who were sent tothe concentration camps.