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Could this be the biggest find since the Dead Sea Scrolls?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1371290/Could-biggest-Dead-Sea-Scrolls-70-metal-books-cave-Jordan-change-view-Biblical-history.html ^ | March 30th, 2011

Posted on 03/30/2011 9:26:30 AM PDT by TaraP

Seventy metal books found in cave in Jordan could change our view of Biblical history.....For scholars of faith and history, it is a treasure trove too precious for price.

This ancient collection of 70 tiny books, their lead pages bound with wire, could unlock some of the secrets of the earliest days of Christianity. Academics are divided as to their authenticity but say that if verified, they could prove as pivotal as the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947.

On pages not much bigger than a credit card, are images, symbols and words that appear to refer to the Messiah and, possibly even, to the Crucifixion and Resurrection.

Adding to the intrigue, many of the books are sealed, prompting academics to speculate they are actually the lost collection of codices mentioned in the Bible’s Book Of Revelation.......

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: beck; christianity; ctr; godsgravesglyphs; hunstman; israel; jordan; lds; mormon; plates; romney
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1 posted on 03/30/2011 9:26:32 AM PDT by TaraP
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To: TaraP

What? Did Gladys Knight find a fourth Pip?


2 posted on 03/30/2011 9:27:19 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Quix; Joya; All
Revelation: Experts speculate that the tablets could be the lost collection of codices referred to in the Bible's Book Of Revelation....
3 posted on 03/30/2011 9:28:02 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP

Wow. I hope they’re genuine.


4 posted on 03/30/2011 9:28:10 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: RexBeach

No one dot or tittle.


5 posted on 03/30/2011 9:29:13 AM PDT by Davidlion
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To: TaraP

Very interesting, I wonder what’s in them.


6 posted on 03/30/2011 9:29:38 AM PDT by paladin1_dcs
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To: All
X marks the spot: The cave in Jordan where the artifacts were discovered
7 posted on 03/30/2011 9:29:44 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP

Oh my heck! Proof positive that the golden plates truly exist!

</ sarcasm>


8 posted on 03/30/2011 9:30:04 AM PDT by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: TaraP

I pray this is not a centuries-in-the-works or otherwise hoax.

I pray God’s will and God’s will alone will govern what occurs vis a vis this find.


9 posted on 03/30/2011 9:30:26 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: narses; NYer; Salvation

Ping. Interesting early Church related find.


10 posted on 03/30/2011 9:30:56 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: Quix

Quix,

I believe they are genuine, all part of GOD’s divine plan to save human beings from eternal destruction...Revelaing his eternal truth in these *Last Days*

More:

Dr Margaret Barker, a former president of the Society for Old Testament Study, said: ‘The Book of Revelation tells of a sealed book that was opened only by the Messiah.

‘Other texts from the period tell of sealed books of wisdom and of a secret tradition passed on by Jesus to his closest disciples. That is the context for this discovery


11 posted on 03/30/2011 9:34:09 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP
I really wish that people would be a little more careful with this type of stuff. There are no sealed books in Revelation, that verse is in Daniel 12. John was told not to write something, not to write it and seal it up.

I suspect that this is going to turn out to be more reinforcement for the accuracy of the fragments we already have.

12 posted on 03/30/2011 9:34:59 AM PDT by paladin1_dcs
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To: paladin1_dcs

Daniel 12:28

Does say GOD will reveal his secrets in latter days.....


13 posted on 03/30/2011 9:38:15 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: paladin1_dcs; TaraP
Boy do I have egg on my face now. I completely forgot about the seven seals that begin the Tribulation period. I really, really, really hope that this isn't that book.
14 posted on 03/30/2011 9:38:32 AM PDT by paladin1_dcs
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To: scripter

ping...


15 posted on 03/30/2011 9:39:03 AM PDT by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: paladin1_dcs

:)

GOD works in Mysterious ways....


16 posted on 03/30/2011 9:39:24 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP
‘Other texts from the period tell of sealed books of wisdom and of a secret tradition passed on by Jesus to his closest disciples.

That's Gnosticism, and it is heretical. Although the amount of gnosticism present in today's world is extraordinary. Many people are led astray by the thought that they can get secret wisdom which mere Christians do not have access to.

17 posted on 03/30/2011 9:39:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: TaraP

Agreed, Daniel does say that secrets would be revealed in the last days but could this be Daniel’s book? I would think that it’s much too young for that.


18 posted on 03/30/2011 9:39:50 AM PDT by paladin1_dcs
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To: TaraP

19 posted on 03/30/2011 9:41:36 AM PDT by catman67
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To: catman67

20 posted on 03/30/2011 9:42:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ClearCase_guy

No it isn’t...

GOD said, everything that has been hidden will be revealed and known...

That is in the Holy Scriptures...


21 posted on 03/30/2011 9:42:31 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP

I’m not sure what the tools of that day are, but something about the wire used to bind it doesn’t seem right.

The wire appears to be ‘smelted’ or formed through a process of heating and stretching iron.

The other thing is, it appears to be cut by wire cutters.

As I said. I don’t know what the tools were back then, but the wire itself is rather an intriguing part of it.

JMO (not necessarily to be taken seriously)


22 posted on 03/30/2011 9:43:02 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: paladin1_dcs

Not sure!

I hope they reveal what they truly say....


23 posted on 03/30/2011 9:44:16 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP

God can choose to reveal that which is hidden. I was trying to respond to the notion that Jesus passed on a “secret teaching” to some individuals while He walked the Earth. I don’t believe that particular notion is Biblical.


24 posted on 03/30/2011 9:47:32 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: paladin1_dcs

In the Book of Revelation the number SEVEN is used throughout. There are SEVEN churches, SEVEN Spirits, SEVEN stars, SEVEN seals, SEVEN trumpets, SEVEN vials, SEVEN personages, SEVEN dooms, and SEVEN new things. SEVEN symbolizes Spiritual Perfection.

All of life revolves around this number. SEVEN is used over 700 times in the Bible. It is used 54 times in the Book of Revelation.

The whole Word of God is founded upon the number SEVEN. It stands for the SEVENTH day of the Creation Week, and speaks of the Millennial Rest day. It denotes COMPLETENESS or PERFECTION.

In Leviticus 23:15-16, the number SEVEN and the Sabbath, which was the SEVENTH day, is connected with the word COMPLETE. The word COMPLETE follows after the words “SEVEN SABBATH” (Seventh day). The day following the SEVENTH sabbath there was something NEW that took place.

The word FINISHED is also connected with the number SEVEN. In Revelation 10:7 we read,

“In the days of the voice of the SEVENTH angel, when he shall begin to sound the mystery of God should be FINISHED.”

“It is DONE” is another expression found in connection with the number Seven.

“And the SEVENTH angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne saying, It is DONE.” (Revelation 16:17)


25 posted on 03/30/2011 9:48:59 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: Bigh4u2

Interesting..

What I found in regards to the Book of Daniel:

In the second chapter of Daniel, Nebuchadnezzar had a dream of a great image whose head was of gold, arms and breasts of silver, his belly and things of brass, legs of *IRON*, and feet of iron and clay. (Daniel 2:31-33)

Daniel told him that he was the head of gold (vs 37-38) In the next chapter Nebuchadnezzar made an image of gold to be worshipped. At that time he called together SEVEN kinds of officials to the dedication of the image: (1) princes, (2) governors, (3) captains, (4) judges, (5) treasurers (6) counselors, (7) sheriffs. The penalty for refusing to worship that image was death by being cast into the burning fiery furnace.

THREE Hebrew children refused to worship the image and were cast into that furnace of death, and brought forth alive, thus picturing the resurrection, signified by the number THREE That furnace was heated SEVEN times hotter than it had ever been.

Here is a COMPLETE DELIVERANCE FOR GOD’S PEOPLE from the power of death. (Daniel 3:1-27) When those THREE Hebrew children came out of that furnace of fire, or death, there was not a trace of fire upon their bodies or their clothing. When Christ brings His people out of death there will not be a trace of death left on them. The will be COMPLETELY delivered from its power.


26 posted on 03/30/2011 9:51:44 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: colorcountry

Is that the Mormon’s Holy Grail you speak of? I hear Romeny has first dibs on them.


27 posted on 03/30/2011 9:55:25 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: TaraP

Don’t see any explanation for the baling wire.


28 posted on 03/30/2011 9:56:26 AM PDT by Western Phil
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To: TaraP

While I’ve long been aware of the significance of numbers in the Bible, it’s always good to refresh our understanding of it. It usually results in a better understanding and a heightened awareness of God’s design and planning in all aspects of not only our personal lives but in history at large.


29 posted on 03/30/2011 9:57:11 AM PDT by paladin1_dcs
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To: TaraP

How difficult would it have been to have taken good photographs of each “page” so everyone could study just what was recorded?


30 posted on 03/30/2011 10:00:45 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Western Phil; TaraP

I’m assuming that you’re referencing the wire bindings on the book shown above? I would suggest that, while it may look like a modern invention, it really isn’t. Anyone who has ever studied ancient warfare knows that the Romans, in particular, were extremely talented when it came to matters of engineering and making wire like this would have been no different, especially considering that it had military applications. While this was found in a region of Israel, it would still have been a technology that the people living in that area at the time would have been familiar with, if for no other reason than they could have seen it in use by the Romans.


31 posted on 03/30/2011 10:03:39 AM PDT by paladin1_dcs
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To: Quix
I pray God’s will and God’s will alone will govern what occurs vis a vis this find.

Don't worry, it will be done ...

32 posted on 03/30/2011 10:04:20 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Western Phil

That bothered me as well.


33 posted on 03/30/2011 10:07:14 AM PDT by montyspython
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To: paladin1_dcs

Interesting on biblical *Metals*

Six Metals

Gold
symbol of God
kingship
kingdom glory

Silver
redemption
the price of a soul

Brass, Copper, Bronze
symbol of sin
judgment of sin
disobedience

Iron
strength
inflexible rule
crushing

Tin
worthlessness
weakness

Lead
weight
heaviness of the heart

Brick
symbol of the work of men’s hands
false worship


34 posted on 03/30/2011 10:14:25 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: Celtic Cross
Looks like they were the first braille bible.
35 posted on 03/30/2011 10:14:26 AM PDT by red tie
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To: Errant

I just hope no one tries to, once again censor GOD’s truth to the human race, Man has been doing that from the beginning...


36 posted on 03/30/2011 10:18:39 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP
Further to the discovery of the plates, from the article at Temple Study, some additional details about the plates found include:

There are 70 or so “books” or codices in this collection, each between 5-15 leaves made from lead, and bound with lead rings.

The leaves are about the size of a credit card.
Some experts and suggesting the books may have been made by early Christians in the years just following the crucifixion.

There is uncertainty whether they are of Jewish or Christian origin, but several say there is evidence of Christian origin in the signs and symbols used in the books.

Some purported symbols include a cross, a tomb, and the city of Jerusalem. A menorah is also seen as representing the holy of holies of the temple in Jerusalem, and the presence of God.

One of the only lines of texts yet to be translated from the books says “I shall walk uprightly,” a line from the Book of Revelation? (I’m unsure what reference they are referring to).

It’s been shown in the past that such a line is a kind of “worthiness” requirement for those who would ascend to the temple in ancient times (from Psalms 15).

37 posted on 03/30/2011 10:18:47 AM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: TaraP; Quix

More here. Wonder if the EPA will seize and destroy them because they contain (gasp) LEAD?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2697000/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2696354/posts


38 posted on 03/30/2011 10:21:50 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: pyx

WOW!

That is awesome! I pray they will reveal more of this miraculous find...


39 posted on 03/30/2011 10:22:08 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP; Quix

If they are genuine I doubt we will need magic spectacles, or a peepstone in a hat to read them. And I’ll bet they are NOT in “reformed Egyptian”.


40 posted on 03/30/2011 10:24:57 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: TaraP; All
I believe it is a bit silly to try to interpret and speculate so much on this, trying to ‘soothe-say’ out of the bible, if you will. As we see in Revelations, there are some things that God just doesn't want us to know; trying to predict the end of the world, etc, based on the bible as applied to an archaeological find that has yet to be certified as authentic is really going a little far.

Just my take on the matter.

41 posted on 03/30/2011 10:28:28 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: TaraP

***SEVEN seals, ***

If we look at the photo as we would look at a regular book, with the hinges (5) on the left, that gives us SEVEN seals on the top and right side.

Just a thought.


42 posted on 03/30/2011 10:32:15 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: TaraP

Are they gold plated books of Joseph Smith and the Mormons? (kidding)


43 posted on 03/30/2011 10:33:30 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Terrorism in nothing more than Kinetic Islam)
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To: Celtic Cross

More here..
A group of 70 or so “books”, each with between five and 15 lead leaves bound by lead rings, was apparently discovered in a remote arid valley in northern Jordan somewhere between 2005 and 2007.

A flash flood had exposed two niches inside the cave, one of them marked with a menorah or candlestick, the ancient Jewish religious symbol.

A Jordanian Bedouin opened these plugs, and what he found inside might constitute extremely rare relics of early Christianity.

That is certainly the view of the Jordanian government, which claims they were smuggled into Israel by another

As soon as I saw that, I was dumbstruck”Philip Davies
Sheffield University The Israeli Bedouin who currently holds the books has denied smuggling them out of Jordan, and claims they have been in his family for 100 years.

Jordan says it will “exert all efforts at every level” to get the relics repatriated.

The director of the Jordan’s Department of Antiquities, Ziad al-Saad, says the books might have been made by followers of Jesus in the few decades immediately following his crucifixion. [I doubt this since Crucifixions on a “cross” didn’t happen until much later]

“They will really match, and perhaps be more significant than, the Dead Sea Scrolls,” says Mr Saad.

“Maybe it will lead to further interpretation and authenticity checks of the material, but the initial information is very encouraging, and it seems that we are looking at a very important and significant discovery, maybe the most important discovery in the history of archaeology.”

The texts might have been written in the decades following the crucifixion..They seem almost incredible claims - so what is the evidence?

The books, or “codices”, were apparently cast in lead, before being bound by lead rings. Their leaves - which are mostly about the size of a credit card - contain text in Ancient Hebrew, most of which is in code. If the relics are of early Christian origin rather than Jewish, then they are of huge significance.

One of the few people to see the collection is David Elkington, a scholar of ancient religious archaeology who is heading a British team trying to get the lead books safely into a Jordanian museum.

He says they could be “the major discovery of Christian history”, adding: “It’s a breathtaking thought that we have held these objects that might have been held by the early saints of the Church.” He believes the most telling evidence for an early Christian origin lies in the images decorating the covers of the books and some of the pages of those which have so far been opened.

Mr Elkington says the relics feature signs that early Christians would have interpreted as indicating Jesus, shown side-by-side with others they would have regarded as representing the presence of God.


44 posted on 03/30/2011 10:36:46 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Yeah that’s true!

Hope more will be coming...!


45 posted on 03/30/2011 10:37:49 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP

Thanks.

I kinda remember that story and always liked it!


46 posted on 03/30/2011 10:38:32 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: TaraP

And if you take 2 x 7 you get 14. Add the 1 and the 4 and you get 5.
Add the 5 to the original 14 and you get... 19!


47 posted on 03/30/2011 10:38:44 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Gadsden1st; TaraP

****How difficult would it have been to have taken good photographs of each “page” so everyone could study just what was recorded?****

What? And deny the Academics (and book publishers) the chance to hold these over our heads for the next 50 years like they did the Dead Sea Scrolls, only releasing a little bit here and a little bit there!


48 posted on 03/30/2011 10:38:44 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: TaraP

***A Jordanian Bedouin opened these plugs, and what he found inside might constitute extremely rare relics of early Christianity.****

I am surprised he didn’t open the seals, cut the lead pages into little bitty pieces, then sell them to the authorities one little piece at a time as they did the Dead Sea Scrolls.

That is why many of the Dead Sea Scrolls are in such small pieces.


49 posted on 03/30/2011 10:44:18 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Isn't that the truth! Interesting.. And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? (Revelation 5:1-2)
50 posted on 03/30/2011 10:44:56 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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