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My Journey Home To The Catholic Church – Why I Am Converting To Catholicism
bryankemper.com ^ | March 30, 2011 | Bryan Kemper

Posted on 03/31/2011 11:41:49 PM PDT by GonzoII

Dear friends,

I know this may come as a shock to many of you; I am in shock in a way my self. I have spent the past 23 years living my life for Christ always wanting to serve Him and know His truth.

I have been a member of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church for almost 10 years as I was so inspired by the liturgy and reverence I found there. I have also been in a constant journey for God’s truth, studying His Word as well as church history. After many, many years of resisting a calling that I tried to suppress I have finally felt the peace of God with my decision to join the Catholic Church.

I know that many of you will be confused, even concerned for me. I know that you will have many questions and even be tempted to try and dissuade me from this decision. While I will most certainly talk to you about what God is doing here, I will not be entering into any debates about this right now.

I want to let you know this is not made lightly; I fought against this for years. There are several things that led me to search and finally choose to go back to the Church. I will share a few things in brief here and would love to sit down in person some time with you if you want to peacefully discuss them in more detail.

Church authority: There are simply thousands and thousands of denominations and every time someone disagrees with another teaching of their church they simply start a new one. The Catholic Church has had it’s teaching since the beginning of the Church in the scriptures. There is no way God can be happy with thousands of denominations or so-called non-denominational churches. It seems that when people disagree on doctrine it often results in another break off church. The fact is that current Christian teaching can differ so much between two churches that it really constitutes different religions and different Gods. There must be one established truth that God gave us, one that has remained from the time of Christ.

Pro-life and Contraception: There is only one church that has been consistent from the time of Christ to today on the teaching of pro—life and contraception. Before 1930 there was never a single Christian church in history to accept any form of contraception and today there is only one that absolutely has kept this Christian teaching and truth.

Communion or the Eucharist: I have always believed that communion was more that just a symbol and in looking back at early church teaching it is crystal clear that this was taught from day one. St Ignatius of Antioch a student of John the Apostle taught on this and clarified it well.

These are just a few of the things that drew me back into the Catholic Church; however there is so much more. I was baptized Catholic as a child so the process is not as complicated for me. I will be starting RCIA classes and working towards confirmation.

I am asking my friends to pray for my family’s journey and me as I truly seek to be closer to Christ. My relationship with Christ is the most important thing in my life and I hope my friends will stand by me, as I grow closer to Him.

As for the work of Stand True; it will remain focused on educating, activating and equipping young to stand up for life and Christ. We have always been an organization that reaches out to and works with all Christians and we will remain true to that.

For Christ I stand, Bryan Kemper

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"studying His Word as well as church history. "

"And this one thing is certain…the Christianity of history is not Protestantism. If there ever were a safe truth, it is this. And Protestantism has ever felt it so… This is shown in the determination…of dispensing with historical Christianity altogether, and of forming a Christianity from the Bible alone: men never would have put [historical Christianity] aside, unless they had despaired of it… To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant."

--Cardinal John Henry Newman

1 posted on 03/31/2011 11:41:53 PM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII

Welcome home, Bryan Kemper!


2 posted on 03/31/2011 11:44:47 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: GonzoII

I just wish it was EASIER to join the Roman Catholic church. Meaning, it takes a long time. I suppose there are valid reasons for process, but still.


3 posted on 04/01/2011 12:21:33 AM PDT by nralife
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To: nralife

My wife was put on fast track because she was pregnant.


4 posted on 04/01/2011 12:26:17 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: GonzoII

Welcome home. Prayers sent his way :-).


5 posted on 04/01/2011 12:38:48 AM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: Judith Anne

And which Church saves? Is it Catholic? Is it Protestant?

NO! No church saves! Jesus Saves! The church is the Body of Christ, which made of those Jesus has saved!

The word Christian is in th Bible only three times. First it is in Acts 11:26c: “And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.” Then in Acts 26:28: “Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persaudest me to be a Christian.”

And last: “Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.” (1 Peter 4:16)

Remember; Jesus said:”Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt. 18:3b-4)

In Luke 13:3: Jesus said: “I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”

Also Jesus said: “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of heaven.” (John 3:3b-8)

And let me close with: “Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever.” (1 Peter 1:23)


6 posted on 04/01/2011 12:46:32 AM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: GonzoII

That sort of sounds like me. I sat in confirmation class in sixth grade and had a teacher that said if you are not ready to give yourself 100% to God and the church, you shouldn’t be here. So I didn’t return. I was not ready to make that decision. And because class started at 8:00 am on a Saturday. Seriously. I thought if sleeping in is more important than being confirmed, I’m really not ready to be confirmed.

Fast forward 25 years and I’m back where I started, I hope a little bit smarter. I searched, I learned. My husband used to tell me that I was the biggest defender of the Catholic church and could recite the doctrine and history of the church better than anyone he knew, so what was I afraid of? I have faith, I believed, but I was just a text book of Catholicism while my husband felt and lived his faith. It’s the only way I can describe it. I am still on that journey but think I am getting closer.


7 posted on 04/01/2011 12:50:16 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: nralife

Wouldn’t you hate to wake up one day and think you just made a big mistake? The longer it takes, the more you can learn beforehand so you really really have a better idea what it’s about.

The Church isn’t eager for one more “number”, Jesus wants your entire love and that comes with learning and reflection.

It’s almost conceited and cocky isn’t it - this Church that seems in no hurry to have you - but it’s so humble and so “free will” and so “wanting you fully aware of what you are getting into”, what it knows to be, the greatest thing, the fullness of the faith on earth, His Church.


8 posted on 04/01/2011 1:13:46 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: GonzoII

bookmark


9 posted on 04/01/2011 1:17:06 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: MacMattico
"I was just a text book of Catholicism while my husband felt and lived his faith"

Try adding 15 minutes of prayer to that everyday..regardless of feelings. ;0)

10 posted on 04/01/2011 1:17:57 AM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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To: GonzoII

As you seem to be saying you’re not leaving a denomination for another, you’re growing into the fullness of the faith in Jesus Christ. The faith is there, now the understanding will deepen yet further.

I tell my boys - you could and would and should love Jesus totally if you knew Him in black and white, many colors, or all shades of all colors - you could/would/should love Him in 2 million pixels or 5 million pixels or 20 million just the same, but OH the fullness, if you can see Him in the fullness - in the Catholic Church!

Now whether you love Him enough to be ever accused of being a Christian - Catholic or otherwise - that of course is another subject entirely!


11 posted on 04/01/2011 1:24:43 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: nralife; Mad Dawg; BenKenobi
I just wish it was EASIER to join the Roman Catholic church. Meaning, it takes a long time. I suppose there are valid reasons for process, but still.

I apologize but I disagree with you -- by making it difficult, we get real gems joining the Church. The folks who come to the Church as adults not only enrich their communities but the grace that comes with them permeates the entire Church

I only wish my confirmation and that of my fellow cradle Catholics was as strict. I don't know half as much as my fellow Catholics who were not cradle Catholics and each time I read them, I learn more and I praise God more.

12 posted on 04/01/2011 3:03:56 AM PDT by Cronos (The OPC/PCA donÂ’t worship the same God we Christians do:)
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To: GonzoII

Congrats and WELCOME HOME!


13 posted on 04/01/2011 3:16:53 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: MacMattico

Be it 1 year or 25 years, it is a process, a journy, a time to discern.


14 posted on 04/01/2011 3:21:08 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: LetMarch
I expect Bryan Kemper is well aware of the technique of stringing together several Bible verses and claiming to have proved a point.

My experience is that many converts to the Catholic (and Orthodox) church are very skilled at that. However, at some point, if we are to be honest, we have to deal with the verses we do not want to quote.

We have to deal with those verses plus the patent confusion of multiplied "Bible only" denominations, all making similar claims on the truth.

It all begins with honesty and humility and a willingness to admit that I may be wrong in my presuppositions.

15 posted on 04/01/2011 3:23:29 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory; and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: Cronos

I think also to another reason given for the strictness in getting into the Roman Catholic Church is from a historic perspective, and it is from the period of Church history that is the faith and practice of the early church.


16 posted on 04/01/2011 3:24:29 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: GonzoII

I’m sorry; but I come from Huguenot ancestry. That is MY history. The Catholic Church’s priests KILLED people who did not agree with them. - I also do not like (an understatement) the Catholic Church’s history of allowing pedophile priests to prey on young boys in its ranks; then just shuffling the nasty, spoiled priests around to some other parish to prey on the youth there. Hypocrisy - the leaven that Christ warned against.

Too much water has gone under the bridge in the past 2,000 years.


17 posted on 04/01/2011 3:29:22 AM PDT by Twinkie (WHERE'S ALL OF OBAMA'S RECORDS?)
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To: Twinkie
ok, cool, 400 years ago, the French kings attacked your ancestors. You would have ancestry from both sides of that ideological divide. So some of your ancestors killed the other.

That's sad and we should pray for all

However, this is the here and now about a man who came from the OPC to the Church. Your post has no relevance to this man's story.

18 posted on 04/01/2011 4:05:14 AM PDT by Cronos (The OPC/PCA donÂ’t worship the same God we Christians do:)
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To: Twinkie
And focusing on the here and now, this is what the article says, in case you didn't read it
Pro-life and Contraception: There is only one church that has been consistent from the time of Christ to today on the teaching of pro—life and contraception. Before 1930 there was never a single Christian church in history to accept any form of contraception and today there is only one that absolutely has kept this Christian teaching and truth.

....

I am asking my friends to pray for my family’s journey and me as I truly seek to be closer to Christ. My relationship with Christ is the most important thing in my life and I hope my friends will stand by me, as I grow closer to Him.

Note --> I am asking my friends to pray for my family’s journey and me as I truly seek to be closer to Christ. My relationship with Christ is the most important thing in my life and I hope my friends will stand by me, as I grow closer to Him. -- this is one man's personal journey. He has not criticized where he came from, hardly even mentioned them besides saying he was inspired there.
19 posted on 04/01/2011 4:07:39 AM PDT by Cronos (The OPC/PCA donÂ’t worship the same God we Christians do:)
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To: Twinkie
"Too much water has gone under the bridge in the past 2,000 years."

If you were a 2000 year old bridge you would indeed have a lot of water passed under you but that wouldn't change the fact of your being 2000 years old.

20 posted on 04/01/2011 4:23:24 AM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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To: LetMarch
No church saves! Jesus Saves! The church is the Body of Christ, which made of those Jesus has saved!

Thank you. I opted for non-denominational because it stays truer to the Bible than any Religion. While the Bible only mentions "Christian a few times, it serves the purpose of definition for those who understand/believe that Christ is the Savior.

While I do not believe in religions, I do not condemn them because they do help many discover Christ, but there are over 33,000 sects of Christianity and no two have all the same beliefs - it takes scholarly theologians to "explain" the nuances. If it was supposed to take that kind of brain power to be saved, then the Bible is relegated to kindling. The information in the Bible is sufficient to explain the path to Heaven and does not require any more. All else is for personal satisfaction and does little to assist "the man on the street" to find Christ in his heart.

God Bless

21 posted on 04/01/2011 4:25:26 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: nralife

The process really isn’t that long or that difficult. As a matter of fact, placed in its proper perspective, the process itself is a growth in grace and the joy that accompanies that. I balked for some time at entering a 6 year formation process for the permanent diaconate. I am now completing the fourth year and am finding that the process is more important than the end except maybe for the graces that will accompany ordination. As a matter of fact, I sometimes start to wonder if I will miss this after ordination. In a similar way, RCIA can be viewed as a process that brings all its own rewards regardless of its end.


22 posted on 04/01/2011 4:36:47 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: johniegrad

6 years?! Yes, it takes commitment to join and even more to complete.


23 posted on 04/01/2011 4:40:27 AM PDT by Cronos (The OPC/PCA donÂ’t worship the same God we Christians do:)
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To: GonzoII

Welcome home brother.

You are in my prayers.


24 posted on 04/01/2011 5:19:10 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray. For all the latest, check out: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/)
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To: trebb

hmm... well, as long as you believe in Jesus Christ as Lord, God & Savior, true God from true God, begotten not made, of one being with the Father, who with the Father and Son is our One God, that’s good enough for this Catholic to hold you as a Christian brother


25 posted on 04/01/2011 5:29:39 AM PDT by Cronos (The OPC/PCA donÂ’t worship the same God we Christians do:)
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To: Cronos
hmm... well, as long as you believe in Jesus Christ as Lord, God & Savior, true God from true God, begotten not made, of one being with the Father, who with the Father and Son is our One God, that’s good enough for this Catholic to hold you as a Christian brother

Jesus IS Lord and Savior and He did step down to earth to cement our personal relationship with God as the Old Testament prophets said would happen. His loving sacrifice makes worthy sainst of those who accept Him into their hearts and He forgives our wickedness and recognizes our sins no more. God IS good and faithful.

I am your brother in Christ and hold no animosity for any Christian religion because I also recognize that the Catholic Church has done more to bring sinners to Christ than any other religion. I would posit that if it were not for the Catholic Church, non-denomiational churches, such as I associate with, would not be the same purveyors of His Word as is laid out in the Bible. I am a believer that when Jesus told us to "resist not evil", He was telling us not to worry ourselves with the ways of the world, and that His purpose for telling us was the same as when God would tell those He had plans for that He would be their rearguard - our job is to carry His Word and He will handle what the Evil One sows because He is the only One with the power to do so.

Have a Blessed day!

26 posted on 04/01/2011 5:56:28 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: GonzoII

FR needs a ‘Like’ button.

And if you can’t do 15 minutes, do ten. If you can’t do ten, do five. God is in the business of growing mustard seeds — and how much time does it take to say,”Lord, I give you my heart for your home.”


27 posted on 04/01/2011 8:23:42 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: GonzoII

Luke 15, my friend. The whole chapter; let us look at the concluding verse:

32: But now we must celebrate and rejoice, because your brother was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’”


28 posted on 04/01/2011 8:28:41 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Twinkie
Hi Twinkie, I am a former Roman Catholic of 27 years whom God led out of the Church of Rome into His marvelous light.

Scripture and history convinced me that many claims of Rome are false. The yoke of Marian dogma, Papal claims, purgatory, etc... were not placed on the early church. The Most important thing, however is if a Church preaches the True Saving Gospel. John 3:16.

Acts 16:30 “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved. God sent His Son, to die in the place of sinners (taking our punishment) to give us the free gift of eternal life though Faith in His Son and His work on the Cross and Resurrection. After true regeneration has taken place through belief, the Christian WANTS to obey in thanks, Love and obedience for the savior, The Lover of their souls!

Certainly, there are many Roman Catholics who are truly regenerated and Love the Lord, but it is in spite of Roman churches teaching.

29 posted on 04/01/2011 8:47:20 AM PDT by bkaycee
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To: nralife

It depends on the situation BUT if the reason is that you believe in its Theology because it is the TRUTH then lowering the bar is not that important.

That being said my parish priest allowed my wife to baptize her mom who was gravely sick in another state.


30 posted on 04/01/2011 9:04:51 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: Cronos; nralife; Mad Dawg; BenKenobi

Let’s be clear and precise. From our POV, if you are validly baptized you have already joined the Catholic Church. This is just a matter of gathering your strength to take (and endure) another step further into Christ.

I have been a helper in RCIA for several years now. Some who enter the class come in burning brightly. What they need is for the embers to be re-arranged, for the draft to be adjusted. The fire it there, but to get the best burn, some changes need to be made.

Others come in, and I see no spark there at all. I deduce one only because they keep coming back. For them it’s a matter of blowing on the flames hard enough to make things glow but not so hard that the flame is extinguished.

Some come in and leap from height to height, never looking back; their feet like hind’s feet they dance secure in the high places. Others plod in, and continue to plod. And some seem to fall away almost instantly.

Two things seem to apply. First: we are talking about a body with members. The call to enter further in essentially involves the members, even those who have the effrontery to disagree with me or the blindness to fail to perceive my splendid and tender spirituality or my intellectual brilliance. (I know that’s hard to believe ...)

To love the Lord is to love his body. It’s hard to imagine loving a body without spending some time with it, bumping up against it.

Second, to will, to choose is not done once, but all along. I choose today, right now, to give this verbosity and all my live to IHS. RCIA and all the monkey-business gives you a dojo, a practice floor, a place to train in willing to join, in choosing to be a member.

One reason the prince has to hack through the thorns to get to sleeping beauty is so that HE may learn how much he loves her. We hope to be of some service as the ‘habit’ of the virtue in faith grows.

The difference is that in this case, when the prince kisses the princess, we also, the thorns, have learned more about how much we love her.


31 posted on 04/01/2011 9:09:39 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: bkaycee
I am a former Roman Catholic of 27 years whom God led out of the Church of Rome into His marvelous light.

I'm sorry, but by that statement, the conclusion is automatically that the "Church of Rome" is "darkness." That couldn't be further from the truth.

32 posted on 04/01/2011 9:17:07 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: bkaycee; Twinkie
This sort of exemplifies to me why "conversion stories" don't make good fodder for conversation.

I left Protestantism for Catholicism, you went the other way. It seems to be a two way street. The fact of traffic provides little help in discerning which way we should go. And we already knew that people are going both ways

33 posted on 04/01/2011 9:43:20 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

You’re the one who brought it up. Not me.


34 posted on 04/01/2011 12:12:26 PM PDT by Twinkie (WHERE'S ALL OF OBAMA'S RECORDS?)
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To: Cronos

It was THE CHURCH (PRIESTS of the Catholic Church) that carried out that inquisition and burned, killed and drove the Huguenots (Protestants) out of France - NOT the French kings. My Maupin ancestors were driven from France to Holland to England, from can to can’t by the RCC. - The RCC has blood on its hands, in the name of Christ. - Does not compute. - As for your comment; asinine. - I do pray for all.


35 posted on 04/01/2011 12:20:10 PM PDT by Twinkie (WHERE'S ALL OF OBAMA'S RECORDS?)
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To: Twinkie; bkaycee
You’re the one who brought it up. Not me.

What?

What did I bring up?

Did you think my post was a criticism of you? You did see, I hope, that bkaycee was the primary addressee, didn't you? So HAD I been criticizing anyone it would have been he, not you.

But I wasn't criticizing anybody. The OP was a kind of a testimony or something concerning conversion. bkaycee posted His testimony. Since I thinka lot about what arguments can and can't accomplish, I was offering the conjecture that testimonies of this kind don't have much useful to them unless they include propositions which can be argued. -- neither the OP not bkaycee's post, while they are both interesting, and I am happy to read them, move the ball downfield one way or another as far as I can tell.

So what is it that I brought up and why does it matter?

36 posted on 04/01/2011 12:45:35 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Twinkie
. - The RCC has blood on its hands, in the name of Christ. -

Does anybody dispute this?

Lacking dispute, though there might be some disagreement about details, isn't the next question, "What can REASONABLY be concluded from that fact?"

We do not dispute that there have been atrocities done in the name of the Church. We just do not see the relevance. We are not surprised. The first Pope (as we think of him) denied Jesus.

So what do you make of all this? I have ancestors on both sides of most conflicts and injustices in the History of the west. what difference doe or should that make?

37 posted on 04/01/2011 12:54:03 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Twinkie
. - The RCC has blood on its hands, in the name of Christ. -

Does anybody dispute this?

Lacking dispute, though there might be some disagreement about details, isn't the next question, "What can REASONABLY be concluded from that fact?"

We do not dispute that there have been atrocities done in the name of the Church. We just do not see the relevance. We are not surprised. The first Pope (as we think of him) denied Jesus.

So what do you make of all this? I have ancestors on both sides of most conflicts and injustices in the History of the west. what difference does or should that make?

38 posted on 04/01/2011 12:56:43 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: GonzoII; MarkBsnr

lol. We’ve seen these “conversion” stories before.

And often they’re from phantoms. Make-up names and made-up conversions.

Who cares? Scripture is true and any move toward Rome is a move away from God’s word.


39 posted on 04/01/2011 2:05:52 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: GonzoII; MarkBsnr

lol. Good luck, Bryan. You're going need those wheels for all the back-pedaling you'll be doing.

40 posted on 04/01/2011 2:08:09 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Your so mean!!!! ;)


41 posted on 04/01/2011 2:10:29 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

8~)


42 posted on 04/01/2011 2:13:28 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
lol. We’ve seen these “conversion” stories before. And often they’re from phantoms. Make-up names and made-up conversions.

Oddly enough, less than 2-1/2 minutes later, you were able to find a picture of him after making yet another antiCatholic statement. So what is it? Is he a phantom? Just another conversion stories made up by Catholics?

43 posted on 04/01/2011 4:56:12 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
lol. Good luck, Bryan. You're going need those wheels for all the back-pedaling you'll be doing.

He sure did; he left the Faith for a cult, then backpedaled back to the Faith. Good observation.

44 posted on 04/01/2011 4:57:21 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Mad Dawg

“What can REASONABLLY be concluded from that fact?”

What can be REASONABLY concluded from that fact is that NOT EVERYBODY is going to choose to be a Roman Catholic, especially if their family has been on the receiving end of the killin’; and the ruthless history of the RCC should be part of a person’s knowledge before they jine up. If they’re okay with it; then okay. - You’ve stated your opinion, I’ve stated mine. Some things aren’t negotiable for “jes’ fergit about it” admonitions. The fact that you do not see the relevance is irrelevant to me.


45 posted on 04/01/2011 5:10:17 PM PDT by Twinkie (WHERE'S ALL OF OBAMA'S RECORDS?)
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To: Twinkie

My, my.


46 posted on 04/01/2011 5:20:10 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: MarkBsnr
he left the Faith for a cult, then backpedaled back to the Faith.

Ah, so this is that guy we keep hearing about.

The same guy.

The one guy.

The Roman Catholic guy who spent some time in the OPC and then returned to Rome.

Thanks for the clarification. Wonder when he'll be able to afford a car?

47 posted on 04/01/2011 7:26:28 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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Wonder when he'll be able to afford a car?

Where do you find cars in the Bible?

48 posted on 04/01/2011 7:57:13 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Campion

Nowhere. Did you find a bicycles in the Bible?


49 posted on 04/01/2011 8:02:14 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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Bryan, the ex-Roman Catholic who spent some time in the OPC and then biked his way back to Rome...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2698017/posts?page=40#40


50 posted on 04/01/2011 8:05:35 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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