Skip to comments.Video: Joseph Smith, prophet of the restoration (REAL Mormon / LDS)
Posted on 04/01/2011 7:37:54 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
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Be it a Comedy or Drama it is still fiction...
So are we to say to the Mormon friend next door who has passed “sorry, I was more worried about being possibly attacked by Muslims than the certainty I had about the fate of your soul”?
Excuse me, I happen to be Roman Catholic.
Great! I love Roman Catholics. Unfortunately you are also part of the anti-Mormon cult that dwells on this board and spouts regurgitated propaganda.
Yep. You got it!
But they are there, they can feeeeeeeel it.
Well, said I, in answer, I would not like to take that position, because it would leave me with a lot of churches on my hands that I might not then be able to classify. So far as the Catholic church is concerned, I believe that there is just as much truth, nay, personally I believe it has retained even more truth than other divisions of so-called Christendom; and there is just as much virtue, and I am sure there is more strength in the Roman Catholic church than there is in Protestant Christendom.
I would not like, therefore, to designate the Catholic church as the church of the devil. Neither would I like to designate any one or all of the various divisions and subdivisions of Protestant Christendom combined as such church; nor the Greek Catholic church; nor the Buddhist sects; nor the followers of Confucius; nor the followers of Mohammed; nor would I like to designate even the societies formed by deists and atheists as constituting the church of the devil. The Book of Mormon text ought to be read in connection with its context with the chapter that precedes it and the remaining portions of the chapter in which it is found then, I think, those who study it in that manner will be forced to the conclusion that the Prophet here has in mind no particular church, no particular division of Christendom, but he has in mind, as just stated, the whole empire of Satan; and perhaps the thought of the passage would be more nearly expressed if we use the term the kingdom of evil as constituting the church of the devil.
(B. H. Roberts, Conference Report, April 1906, p.14, 15)
So BM, how do you resolve that statement with the statements of your early leaders that call Catholics (and other Christian groups) “Whores of Babylon”?
A very good friend of mine is an archaeologist and anthropologist, was curator of the LA Museum of Natural History for a decade, I asked him what he thought of this "powerful evidence", he nearly wet his pants laughing.
Your body will return to dust before you’d get an answer.
Thanks for posting!! I think we will watch it Monday night for Family Home Evening, since this weekend we will be too busy being indoctrinated by the General Authorities (as others on this website would call it!) at General Conference. Cant wait to hear the words of our Prophet!!
You are welcome! We also look forward to it!
Beware of FALSE prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are RAVENING wolves ... For such are FALSE apostles,
DECEITFUL workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
Jesus Christ, Matthew 7:15, The Apostle Paul, II Corinthians 11:13
“Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the whore of Babylon’ whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent.”
- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255
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How did the mormon church gain control of the website "Jesus Christ.org"...Quote: "Why dont Mormons wear crosses? Mormons dont wear the cross of Jesusthey carry it."
Another quote: "The Mormon Church distributes free copies of the King James Version of the Bible and the Book of Mormon. For your free copy of the Bible, go to Free Holy Bible and for a free Book of Mormon, go to Free Book of Mormon.
BUT...they don't tell you that your "Free" Bible will have to be delivered to your home by two mormon missionaries.
He should take more than a minute to answer the point. You should be reading what the ‘question’ was - it is not referring to Jesus being married (as your link woefully attempts to ‘answer’).
All he does is typical mormon apologetic - throw the guy under the bus.
The article admits that Pratt was a false teacher, teaching false doctrine. The question then becomes - why didn’t they remove him from his position as an Apostle?
Then again, your link’s objection is only valid IF what I cited wasn’t church doctrine to begin with. “containing” false doctrine is not the same as it is ALL false doctrine.
“Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the whore of Babylon whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. . . . . “
Is mormon doctrine saying that other Churches contain the fullness of the gospel as well? NO BM in all truth mormonism teaches just what Pratt stated.
Since your ‘link’ pointed out that Young didn’t like Pratt’s teaching - what did Young say in regards to this specific quote?????
“...The Christian religion was so perverted that the people received it with open hands, arms, mouth and heart. It was adulterated until it was congenial to the wicked heart, and they received the Gospel as they supposed. But that was the time they commenced little by little to transgress the laws, change the ordinances, and break the everlasting covenant, and the Gospel of the kingdom that Jesus undertook to establish in his day and the Priesthood were taken from the earth.” (5 John A. Widtsoe comp., Discourses of Brigham Young, (SLC: Deseret Book Co., 1954) 107).
Finally BM, lds inc. is careful NOT to rebuke Pratt’s work “the seer” Infact, the lds inc includes “the seer” as among “other important works “ he did.
So really BM, believe a website that is not authorized to speak for the church, or believe the church website that equates “The Seer” with other important apologetic works he wrote.
Mormons always tell me to look to lds inc.
Come on man, at least just post LDSish links like your buddy..
The Backyard BlueMoose Placemarker :-)
I’m a roman catholic too; maybe we should get started on who the one true church is.
I also watched the video-i felt the temptation of the evil one. the video is deceitful and does not give the wjole history.
LOL, great april fools article moose.
Smith in describing one version of his ‘first vision’ stated that the “professors were all corrupt”. Professors in 1830 verbage and use refer to the people, not the organizations. It has only been recently that mormons have tried to still say Christians were still Christian.
To go back to Smith again on this specific point he stated: “Third “Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?”
Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, page 119.)
Again, this is PEOPLE, not organizations being attacked. By smith’s definition - these ‘Christians’ (according to modern morg terms) are damned.
You lame apologist link also eviscerates the mormon doctrine of complete apostasy - for if there were ‘true’ Christians throughout time - then ANY alledged apostasy was never complete.
It is also too bad the link didn’t post the quotations - makes it easy to ‘debunk’ the charge if the charge isn’t present to be evaluated.
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, darkness covereth the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become corrupt before my face” (Doctrine and Covenants, 112:23).
All flesh had become ‘corrupt’ - that deals with people and not organizations as the link tries to weasel word around.
Oh, an now the quotes from bring’em young in JoD are authorative? LOL
Please, don’t confuse yourself with facts moose. You citations of these lame NONAUTHORTATIVE personal opinions only show the lengths mormons will go to WANT the church to be true - rather than seeking the TRUTH.
Jim Robinson was the AM at the time
D&C 1: 38.
38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.
1 Jn. 4
6 WE are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us,
because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10 Herein is love, not that WE loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
It seems some never really read the lyric only the title
Praise to the man WHO communed with Jehovah!
In other words praise to the mortal man who communes with the Almight God!
BTW Emperor Palpatine thsoe who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
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In other words praise to the mortal man who communes with the Almight God!
So you are still praising man. It may be fitting to say "blessed is the man to whom God revealed Himself" (J. Smith's visions however were false and he had many different version of them. God did not reveal Himself to Smith), but not "praise to the man." Praise implies adoration and worship.
Yes, it seems the LDS are very good at ambiguous responses. They often seem quite afraid to address certain things Joseph Smith taught.
11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lords sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
The use of the word in a sentence like this--"Her boss praised her for the good work she did," or, "for the praise of them that do well," fits one definition of praise:
praise : the act of expressing approval or admiration; commendation
Hymns and songs of adoration towards Smith fit the other defintion:
praise : the offering of grateful homage in words or song, as an act of worship
Indeed. They put their fingers in their ears and go 'tra la la la', or claim persecution when asked simple questions about their faith. Rofl. It shows that their beliefs must be awfully indefensible and flimsy since they refuse to step up and give real answers without dodging.
Sorry forgot to ping you to post 90.
Just to let lurkers know, this is the song we are talking about:
Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.
Praise to his memory, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assassins,
Stain Illinois* while the earth lauds his fame.
Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true, he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.
Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know “brother Joseph” again.
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.
Wow. That is one disgusting song. We should ‘Praise’, ‘extol’, ‘revere’, ‘laud’, and ‘hail’ him? ‘Great is his glory’? Nope, not a bit of worshipfulness in that song. /s
Oh my, that song is sick....I need a barf bucket!
Indeed! And yet the Mormons claim they don’t actually worship Joseph Smith. The song seems to indicate the contrary. lol
“Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again”
Sounds like Joseph Smith worship to me!
Indeed it does! And I find it interesting that they say Gods and not God.
I also find this part interesting:
"Faithful and true, he will enter his kingdom"
His kingdom? No mention of God's kingdom. "His Kingdom" must be the planet that he is supposed to have received after his death and "ascension to godhood." lol
And yet Mormons have the gall to call themselves Christians. Heh heh heh heh...