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Video: Joseph Smith, prophet of the restoration (REAL Mormon / LDS)
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Posted on 04/01/2011 7:37:54 AM PDT by Paragon Defender

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To: Paragon Defender

Be it a Comedy or Drama it is still fiction...


51 posted on 04/01/2011 12:15:05 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: SpringtoLiberty
It is like I often say to those who bring up Islam as the bigger threat. Eternally speaking this too shall pass, there have always been Earthly enemies, but all dead who do not know Christ regardless of their means of demise will know eternal suffering.

So are we to say to the Mormon friend next door who has passed “sorry, I was more worried about being possibly attacked by Muslims than the certainty I had about the fate of your soul”?

52 posted on 04/01/2011 12:25:07 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Excuse me, I happen to be Roman Catholic.


Great! I love Roman Catholics. Unfortunately you are also part of the anti-Mormon cult that dwells on this board and spouts regurgitated propaganda.


53 posted on 04/01/2011 1:00:05 PM PDT by Paragon Defender (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil....)
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To: Paragon Defender; Emperor Palpatine
Huh? Does your bishop know that you love Roman Catholics? Really PD, lds teach that RC are “whores of Babylon” and are an “abomination”. Your statement is just another example that apparently you do not know what lds teaches.
54 posted on 04/01/2011 1:42:31 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: F15Eagle

Yep. You got it!


58 posted on 04/01/2011 2:13:52 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: F15Eagle

But they are there, they can feeeeeeeel it.


60 posted on 04/01/2011 2:44:11 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: svcw
Mormon Myths

“Well,” said I, in answer, “I would not like to take that position, because it would leave me with a lot of churches on my hands that I might not then be able to classify.” So far as the Catholic church is concerned, I believe that there is just as much truth, nay, personally I believe it has retained even more truth than other divisions of so-called Christendom; and there is just as much virtue, and I am sure there is more strength in the Roman Catholic church than there is in Protestant Christendom.

I would not like, therefore, to designate the Catholic church as the church of the devil. Neither would I like to designate any one or all of the various divisions and subdivisions of Protestant Christendom combined as such church; nor the Greek Catholic church; nor the Buddhist sects; nor the followers of Confucius; nor the followers of Mohammed; nor would I like to designate even the societies formed by deists and atheists as constituting the church of the devil. The Book of Mormon text ought to be read in connection with its context – with the chapter that precedes it and the remaining portions of the chapter in which it is found – then, I think, those who study it in that manner will be forced to the conclusion that the Prophet here has in mind no particular church, no particular division of Christendom, but he has in mind, as just stated, the whole empire of Satan; and perhaps the thought of the passage would be more nearly expressed if we use the term “the kingdom of evil” as constituting the church of the devil.

(B. H. Roberts, Conference Report, April 1906, p.14, 15)

61 posted on 04/01/2011 2:50:42 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

So BM, how do you resolve that statement with the statements of your early leaders that call Catholics (and other Christian groups) “Whores of Babylon”?


63 posted on 04/01/2011 3:03:49 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: BlueMoose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5twdLmTxrTo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLTIh3ymD2A&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i—yLUWkJZY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8Tk7ctoa-4&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtMFdk4hHDI&feature=watch_response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26-E4y8rbjw&feature=watch_response


65 posted on 04/01/2011 4:14:01 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
“powerful archaeological evidence”

A very good friend of mine is an archaeologist and anthropologist, was curator of the LA Museum of Natural History for a decade, I asked him what he thought of this "powerful evidence", he nearly wet his pants laughing.

66 posted on 04/01/2011 4:33:41 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: F15Eagle

Your body will return to dust before you’d get an answer.


67 posted on 04/01/2011 4:34:39 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: republicanbred

Thanks for posting!! I think we will watch it Monday night for Family Home Evening, since this weekend we will be too busy being “indoctrinated” by the General Authorities (as others on this website would call it!) at General Conference. Can’t wait to hear the words of our Prophet!!


You are welcome! We also look forward to it!


68 posted on 04/01/2011 5:06:30 PM PDT by Paragon Defender (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil....)
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To: Paragon Defender
- Warning! -
 
This thread has been flagged as
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LET THE READER BEWARE!
 
Mormonism is a wolf in sheep's clothing... SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES (John 5:39)

Beware of FALSE prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are RAVENING wolves
...
For such are FALSE apostles,
DECEITFUL workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.”

Jesus Christ, Matthew 7:15,  The Apostle Paul, II Corinthians 11:13

 

69 posted on 04/01/2011 5:32:40 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: BlueMoose

“Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon’ whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255


70 posted on 04/01/2011 5:48:40 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
Paragon propaganda placemark.

The More Good Foundation publishes over 300 websites where persons of other faiths can learn about the Church and where individual Mormons can share their beliefs. We also provide training and support for Mormons interested in sharing their beliefs online.

 

How did the mormon church gain control of the website "Jesus Christ.org"...Quote: "Why don’t Mormons wear crosses? Mormons don’t wear the cross of Jesus–they carry it."

Another quote: "The Mormon Church distributes free copies of the King James Version of the Bible and the Book of Mormon. For your free copy of the Bible, go to Free Holy Bible and for a free Book of Mormon, go to Free Book of Mormon.

BUT...they don't tell you that your "Free" Bible will have to be delivered to your home by two mormon missionaries.

71 posted on 04/01/2011 6:09:49 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: Godzilla

http://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/publications.htm


72 posted on 04/01/2011 6:25:26 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

He should take more than a minute to answer the point. You should be reading what the ‘question’ was - it is not referring to Jesus being married (as your link woefully attempts to ‘answer’).

All he does is typical mormon apologetic - throw the guy under the bus.

The article admits that Pratt was a false teacher, teaching false doctrine. The question then becomes - why didn’t they remove him from his position as an Apostle?

Then again, your link’s objection is only valid IF what I cited wasn’t church doctrine to begin with. “containing” false doctrine is not the same as it is ALL false doctrine.

“Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon’ whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. . . . . “
Is mormon doctrine saying that other Churches contain the fullness of the gospel as well? NO BM in all truth mormonism teaches just what Pratt stated.

Since your ‘link’ pointed out that Young didn’t like Pratt’s teaching - what did Young say in regards to this specific quote?????

“...The Christian religion was so perverted that the people received it with open hands, arms, mouth and heart. It was adulterated until it was congenial to the wicked heart, and they received the Gospel as they supposed. But that was the time they commenced little by little to transgress the laws, change the ordinances, and break the everlasting covenant, and the Gospel of the kingdom that Jesus undertook to establish in his day and the Priesthood were taken from the earth.” (5 John A. Widtsoe comp., Discourses of Brigham Young, (SLC: Deseret Book Co., 1954) 107).

Finally BM, lds inc. is careful NOT to rebuke Pratt’s work “the seer” Infact, the lds inc includes “the seer” as among “other important works “ he did.
http://lds.org/ensign/1984/04/orson-pratt-early-advocate-of-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng

So really BM, believe a website that is not authorized to speak for the church, or believe the church website that equates “The Seer” with other important apologetic works he wrote.

Mormons always tell me to look to lds inc.


73 posted on 04/01/2011 7:37:17 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: BlueMoose
Shirts again?

Come on man, at least just post LDSish links like your buddy..

74 posted on 04/01/2011 7:41:32 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Godzilla

http://en.fairmormon.org/Did_early_LDS_leaders_denounce_Christianity


76 posted on 04/01/2011 8:52:50 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

The Backyard BlueMoose Placemarker :-)


77 posted on 04/01/2011 8:55:58 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: BlueMoose

http://en.fairmormon.org/Nature_of_God/Deification_of_man


78 posted on 04/01/2011 8:58:57 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: Emperor Palpatine

I’m a roman catholic too; maybe we should get started on who the one true church is.

I also watched the video-i felt the temptation of the evil one. the video is deceitful and does not give the wjole history.


79 posted on 04/02/2011 3:48:05 AM PDT by Veritas01 (Veritas)
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To: BlueMoose

LOL, great april fools article moose.

Smith in describing one version of his ‘first vision’ stated that the “professors were all corrupt”. Professors in 1830 verbage and use refer to the people, not the organizations. It has only been recently that mormons have tried to still say Christians were still Christian.

To go back to Smith again on this specific point he stated: “Third — “Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?”
Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, page 119.)

Again, this is PEOPLE, not organizations being attacked. By smith’s definition - these ‘Christians’ (according to modern morg terms) are damned.

You lame apologist link also eviscerates the mormon doctrine of complete apostasy - for if there were ‘true’ Christians throughout time - then ANY alledged apostasy was never complete.

It is also too bad the link didn’t post the quotations - makes it easy to ‘debunk’ the charge if the charge isn’t present to be evaluated.

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, darkness covereth the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become corrupt before my face” (Doctrine and Covenants, 112:23).

All flesh had become ‘corrupt’ - that deals with people and not organizations as the link tries to weasel word around.

Oh, an now the quotes from bring’em young in JoD are authorative? LOL

Please, don’t confuse yourself with facts moose. You citations of these lame NONAUTHORTATIVE personal opinions only show the lengths mormons will go to WANT the church to be true - rather than seeking the TRUTH.


80 posted on 04/02/2011 9:57:08 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; Jim Robinson

Jim Robinson was the AM at the time

D&C 1: 38.
38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.

1 Jn. 4
6 WE are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us,
because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

10 Herein is love, not that WE loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.


81 posted on 04/02/2011 11:32:58 AM PDT by restornu
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To: svcw; Emperor Palpatine
That is a lie LDS never worship Joseph Smith.

It seems some never really read the lyric only the title

Praise to the man WHO communed with Jehovah!

In other words praise to the mortal man who communes with the Almight God!

BTW Emperor Palpatine thsoe who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Showtimes has a current series on the....

82 posted on 04/02/2011 11:49:55 AM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
Should we sing hymns of praise to other great men such as Moses then too? lol. Only God is deserving of praise and hymns.

In other words praise to the mortal man who communes with the Almight God!

So you are still praising man. It may be fitting to say "blessed is the man to whom God revealed Himself" (J. Smith's visions however were false and he had many different version of them. God did not reveal Himself to Smith), but not "praise to the man." Praise implies adoration and worship.

83 posted on 04/02/2011 1:25:33 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: F15Eagle

Yes, it seems the LDS are very good at ambiguous responses. They often seem quite afraid to address certain things Joseph Smith taught.


85 posted on 04/02/2011 3:10:58 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
1 Peter 2

11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;

14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

86 posted on 04/02/2011 3:47:46 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
What a wonderful twisting. There is a hugh difference between the way the word 'praise' is used in these instances.

The use of the word in a sentence like this--"Her boss praised her for the good work she did," or, "for the praise of them that do well," fits one definition of praise:

praise : the act of expressing approval or admiration; commendation

Hymns and songs of adoration towards Smith fit the other defintion:

praise : the offering of grateful homage in words or song, as an act of worship

87 posted on 04/02/2011 4:21:27 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: F15Eagle
But talking to a cult is often like talking to a wall.

Indeed. They put their fingers in their ears and go 'tra la la la', or claim persecution when asked simple questions about their faith. Rofl. It shows that their beliefs must be awfully indefensible and flimsy since they refuse to step up and give real answers without dodging.

89 posted on 04/02/2011 4:50:36 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: restornu
Listen rusty you go to any Christian Church and there are no songs that praise a man.
Joseph Smith was a liar, a thief, a charlatan, he restored nothing as nothing need to be restored.
You want to pin your eternal soul on a man who was an admitted liar, thief charlatan, murder, adulator, pedophile .............go right ahead but do not tell me what I know to be true about mormonISM is wrong.
I get it, I know it, and it has destroyed members of my family. I know what mormonISM is and I loath it.
90 posted on 04/02/2011 6:50:09 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Sorry forgot to ping you to post 90.


91 posted on 04/02/2011 6:51:47 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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Just to let lurkers know, this is the song we are talking about:

Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

Praise to his memory, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assassins,
Stain Illinois* while the earth lauds his fame.

Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true, he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.

Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know “brother Joseph” again.

Chorus:

Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


Anyone, anyone at tell me is this not a worship song to Joseph Smith instead of Jesus of the Bible.


92 posted on 04/02/2011 6:55:33 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: svcw

Wow. That is one disgusting song. We should ‘Praise’, ‘extol’, ‘revere’, ‘laud’, and ‘hail’ him? ‘Great is his glory’? Nope, not a bit of worshipfulness in that song. /s


93 posted on 04/02/2011 7:08:03 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: svcw

Oh my, that song is sick....I need a barf bucket!


94 posted on 04/02/2011 7:08:43 PM PDT by PeachyKeen
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To: PeachyKeen

Indeed! And yet the Mormons claim they don’t actually worship Joseph Smith. The song seems to indicate the contrary. lol


95 posted on 04/02/2011 7:19:23 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

“Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again”

Sounds like Joseph Smith worship to me!


96 posted on 04/02/2011 7:22:32 PM PDT by PeachyKeen
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To: PeachyKeen
Sounds like Joseph Smith worship to me!

Indeed it does! And I find it interesting that they say Gods and not God.

I also find this part interesting:

"Faithful and true, he will enter his kingdom"

His kingdom? No mention of God's kingdom. "His Kingdom" must be the planet that he is supposed to have received after his death and "ascension to godhood." lol

And yet Mormons have the gall to call themselves Christians. Heh heh heh heh...

97 posted on 04/02/2011 7:43:15 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Veritas01
Maybe someday we can discuss Pope Pius V., Saint Dominic, Saint Pedro Arbries ?
98 posted on 04/02/2011 8:20:36 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: restornu

Smithidolotry placemarker


100 posted on 04/02/2011 8:50:49 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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