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Macy's dressing mannequins up like Borgia Popes (Lent - the season to offend Catholics)
Catholic League ^ | March 31, 2011 | William Donohue

Posted on 04/01/2011 8:24:54 AM PDT by NYer

Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on how Macy's department store is offending Catholics:

Why Macy's would want to pick a fight with Catholics during the Lenten season is not known, but that it has is certain. Here's the background.

This weekend, Showtime will begin airing a series, "The Borgias," a corrupt Spanish family, one of whose members became pope. Everyone, including devout Catholics, agrees this is a sordid story in Catholic history. That Macy's has chosen to celebrate this ugly chapter is another matter altogether.

On the 7th Avenue side of the Macy's Herald Square store (between 34th and 35th Street), there is a large window display of manikins dressed as the pope, bishops, et al. In plain letters it says, "The Borgias: The Original Crime Family"; it advertises the season premiere, with the Showtime logo off to the side. To see a picture of it, click here.

On Tuesday, Catholic League vice president Bernadette Brady called one of Macy's media managers, Alyssa Bendetson, registering our concerns, as well as those of our members who contacted us; she was also sent a copy of our release from March 18 on the series. She pledged to get back to us with a response. It is now obvious that Macy's is taking this matter lightly.

The series was written by an atheist who hates the Catholic Church, Neil Jordan. Macy's knows this. We are approaching the heart of the Easter season, yet Macy's has decided that offending Catholics is worth the risk. We'll see.

Contact Bendetson's boss, VP Elina Kazan: elina.kazan@macys.com




TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: borgias; catholic; macys

1 posted on 04/01/2011 8:24:59 AM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 04/01/2011 8:25:32 AM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

I’m Catholic. I really don’t have a problem. Tolerance...


3 posted on 04/01/2011 8:40:29 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: NYer

Is this an April Fool’s joke? Why would Macy’s do something silly like this? What would dressing manequins as a Pope have to do with selling merchandise? Are they selling Pope outfits now?


4 posted on 04/01/2011 8:42:51 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: NYer

John Borgia, an offensive guard for the BYU Cougars in the 1980’s, is part of the same Borgia family.


5 posted on 04/01/2011 8:54:54 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill
I'm shocked he didn't make the pros - most defensive linemen are susceptible to poison.
6 posted on 04/01/2011 8:59:36 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: NYer

Doesn’t this and the Kennedys appear on the same night? Guess which one the libs want you to watch?


7 posted on 04/01/2011 8:59:50 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: NYer
This weekend, Showtime will begin airing a series, "The Borgias," a corrupt Spanish family, one of whose members became pope.

Two actually, but hey, accuracy shmacuracy

8 posted on 04/01/2011 9:04:21 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Radioactive plume to hit USA. President Obama and family fly to Brazil)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Two actually, but hey, accuracy shmacuracy

Actually three--Callixtus III, Alexander VI, and Innocent X. Plus a saint, Francisco Borgia.

9 posted on 04/01/2011 9:14:44 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Sacajaweau
"I'm Catholic . I really don't have a problem. Tolerance....."

I'm Missouri Synod Lutheran. I DO have a problem. Not a matter of "tolerance" at all.......Macy's can do what it wishes.

But I don't have to like it or be too lazy to talk against it.

The Macy display which not too subtly disparages a denomination of the Christian faith is a tiny but intergral part of the larger picture we all know about which attacks Christianity worldwide......a fact which smaller minds can't seem to comprehend beyond the length of their noses.

Would Macy's ever dress their mannequins in Iman apparel in a similar-type promotion?

Their windows would be broken in a New York minute.....and the New York Slimes would go berserk.

Where are the Defenders of the Faith (ANY Christian denomination) today?

Leni

10 posted on 04/01/2011 9:16:53 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Obama....you'll have to pry my incandescent lightbulbs from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: NYer
How about next month the put the Prophet in their window beheading a bunch of people who have their hands bound behind them and look like the Arab press draws Jews? Maybe something like, “The original be-header” would make a good banner to go along with that.
11 posted on 04/01/2011 9:30:03 AM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is insane., so handlers keep him medicated and on the golf course.)
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To: NYer

Defending or trying to sweep the Borgias under the rug seems a silly way to defend the church. The Borgias are about as “Catholic” as Benedict Arnold was American. Technically true perhaps but hardly true in spirit or intent.


12 posted on 04/01/2011 9:36:35 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: muir_redwoods

I am not defending the Borgias. I am disappointed in Macy’s iconoclastic attack on the Catholic Church.


13 posted on 04/01/2011 10:01:11 AM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: muir_redwoods

The problem isn’t this series by itself. It’s the fact that Chistianity is only ever portrayed in a negative light. In pretty much any series or movie if Christianity is present it is only to be ridiculed and attacked. Making shows about the Borgias is all well and nice... -If we could also have shows about the many Christian saints or other people who have done great deeds inspired by their faith.

What we are witnessing is a constant attack on Christianity intended to reduce what little influence it now has left.

Such a stream of abuse would never be accepted if the characters belonged to any other faith. But when it comes to Christianity which has done more good for the world than any other religion or ideology we *only* see the few bad apples being held up as typical of the faith.


14 posted on 04/01/2011 10:12:11 AM PDT by LastNorwegian
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To: NYer

I’m no expert, but didn’t the Borgia popes kinda set themselves ip for ignominy? Weren’t they like the low point in Church history? We’re gonna get offended because those not worthy of honor are treated dishonorably?


15 posted on 04/01/2011 10:23:19 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (You is what you am.)
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To: NYer

I think about advertisment NYER that what I gather

Beside I am going watch that show on Showtime come from same dudes brought you other show The Tudors got be good


16 posted on 04/01/2011 10:28:19 AM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile")
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To: muir_redwoods

>> Defending or trying to sweep the Borgias under the rug seems a silly way to defend the church. The Borgias are about as “Catholic” as Benedict Arnold was American. Technically true perhaps but hardly true in spirit or intent. <<

Not a matter of doing either. You really believe that a teleplay written by an atheist agitator is going to delineate between legend and fact? Or circumscribe the guilty from the innocent? Of course not, it’ll perpetuate the legend thath the Borgias are typical popes!


17 posted on 04/01/2011 10:28:40 AM PDT by dangus
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To: NYer

Oh, give me a break. What, is the world supposed to go back and redact history or never refer to it again if it’s embarrassing to Catholics?

And I thought the Muslims were thin-skinned...


18 posted on 04/01/2011 10:33:29 AM PDT by Boogieman (")
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To: dangus

If you seriously believe anyone other than a diseased muslim would ever believe the Borgias are typical of popes, particularly modern popes, you need to rethink your basic premise


19 posted on 04/01/2011 10:39:21 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: NYer
Macy's also fired an employee for wishing someone Merry Christmas in lieu of Happy Holidays
20 posted on 04/01/2011 10:57:30 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: Boogieman

That is rather short-sighted.


21 posted on 04/01/2011 11:17:53 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: NYer

I always liked Victor, actually.


22 posted on 04/01/2011 11:26:05 AM PDT by dangus
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To: NYer

I don’t think much of the Borgias, so I’m not going to sweat anyone putting them down, as long as they don’t paint a broad brush against the entire Church using the Borgias as the medium.


23 posted on 04/01/2011 11:49:12 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: MEGoody
Why would Macy’s do something silly like this? What would dressing manequins as a Pope have to do with selling merchandise?

Just as a guess, and knowing something about marketing in the entertainment and retail businesses, I'd say that Showtime is paying Macy's for the advertising space. Getting press attention for the show by getting a few people angry is gravy for Showtime--like the Fox Network's early days, they're trying to make a name for themselves by being "edgier" than their rival HBO.

24 posted on 04/01/2011 12:10:14 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: topher
Macy's also fired an employee for wishing someone Merry Christmas in lieu of Happy Holidays

Do you have a link for this? I'm finding stories about Macy's firing a Santa for making some very slightly risque jokes, but nothing about firing an employee for saying "Merry Christmas."

25 posted on 04/01/2011 12:17:56 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Pyro7480

“That is rather short-sighted.”

Bah, ping me when Macy’s starts dissing Jesus, then I might get worried enough to ask God to forgive them.


26 posted on 04/01/2011 12:34:30 PM PDT by Boogieman (")
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To: Boogieman

Look up the thread. They have a history.


27 posted on 04/01/2011 12:47:06 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

“Look up the thread. They have a history.”

What history? I see someone make a claim with no attribution, and nobody else can seem to find any evidence of it.


28 posted on 04/01/2011 1:04:37 PM PDT by Boogieman (")
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To: Oztrich Boy

Well, the first was incompetent, but sincere and unworldly. We wouldn’t want to mention him.


29 posted on 04/01/2011 1:19:03 PM PDT by dangus
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To: muir_redwoods

hahahah!

You need to spend more time at either (A) a public university, or (B) the FR religion forum. Seriously, I bet MOST Americans believe MOST medieval/Renaissance popes did far worse than what even the Borgias actually did do.

Read the ridiculous slander of Foxe’s Book of the Martyrs, and then understand that this book was required reading in U.S. public schools in the 19th century, and was usually one of two books a typical American owned.


30 posted on 04/01/2011 5:36:43 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
Logically, if the Borgias were really thought of as typical of popes, they wouldn't be notorious; they would be common.

Hyperbole is fine in friendly (or not so friendly perhaps) discussions but logic dictates that most popes are a good deal more highly regarded than the Borgias.

31 posted on 04/01/2011 5:53:29 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: LastNorwegian
It’s the fact that Chistianity is only ever portrayed in a negative light

individuals are healthy when they acknowledge their faults. Cultures, likewise. Eddie Murphy, back when race-baiting wasn't such an effective political strategy (that was also when Reagan was president) made a career out of spoofing black-American stereotypes. The most well adjusted black Americans laughed right along with him at the fools among themselves. The cranks got their afros in a wad, and look where we are today.

chill the farc out.

32 posted on 04/02/2011 5:49:40 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (You is what you am.)
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To: Boogieman
Oh, give me a break. What, is the world supposed to go back and redact history or never refer to it again if it’s embarrassing to Catholics?

No, only if its embarrassing to anyone else.

33 posted on 04/02/2011 5:54:24 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (You is what you am.)
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To: Borges

Ping.


34 posted on 04/02/2011 6:32:45 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (You is what you am.)
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Oh, give me a break. What, is the world supposed to go back and redact history or never refer to it again if it’s embarrassing to Catholics?

That's exactly what the FRoman Catholics demand.

Come to think of it, they expect the same treatment when it comes to current events.

35 posted on 04/02/2011 7:27:09 AM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Boogieman; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; metmom; RnMomof7; TSgt; Alex Murphy
Oh, give me a break. What, is the world supposed to go back and redact history or never refer to it again if it’s embarrassing to Catholics?

That's exactly what the FRoman Catholics demand.

Come to think of it, they expect the same treatment when it comes to current events.

36 posted on 04/02/2011 7:27:20 AM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: dangus
Popes will be Popes!

The Cadaver Synod: Strangest Trial In History

37 posted on 04/02/2011 7:31:27 AM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: NYer; Amityschild; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; HossB86; ...

Maybe I’m missing something here . . .

I thought it was a

RELIGIOUS DUTY OF OBLIGATION or some such

for RC’s to be outrageously offended

as a RELIGIOUS RITE

as a RELIGIOUS RITUAL

24/7/365.

At least . . . as far as I have learned from OBSERVING FR RC’s.


38 posted on 04/02/2011 7:39:41 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: muir_redwoods

Oh, you’re giving too much credit. Let’s say that the Borgias are the grain (or, a grain, since there were other bad apples) of truth behind legends which were used to indiscriminately characterize all medieval and renaissance popes.


39 posted on 04/02/2011 10:32:57 AM PDT by dangus
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To: muir_redwoods

Oh, you’re giving too much credit. Let’s say that the Borgias are the grain (or, a grain, since there were other bad apples) of truth behind legends which were used to indiscriminately characterize all medieval and renaissance popes.

CASE IN POINT: Do you think the miniseries will mention the Pope Calixtus, the Borgia who weakened the temporal power of the papacy by irritating the kings of Europe because he lived an austere lifestyle? Or Saint Francis Borgia, founder of Gregorian University, teacher of hundreds of missionaries to entire globe, miarculous exorcist and humble mustic? No, the subtitle is “the original crime family.”

Truth is, there’s a great classical tragedy behind the fall of Alexander VI, and it might make for great drama. But great drama makes for lousy propaganda.


40 posted on 04/02/2011 10:43:47 AM PDT by dangus
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To: muir_redwoods

(Just to be clear, by the fall of Alexander VI, I do mean his perdition.)


41 posted on 04/02/2011 10:44:27 AM PDT by dangus
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To: muir_redwoods

Actually: There is a third Borgia pope. Again, quite virtuous: Innocent X.


42 posted on 04/02/2011 10:51:32 AM PDT by dangus
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