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Christopher Hitchens: Don't Trouble 'Deaf Heaven' With Prayers for Me
Christian Post ^ | 04/01/2011 | Eric Young

Posted on 04/02/2011 7:04:30 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Lazlo in PA

He’s been consistent, belligerently so, for his entire career. That consistency has made him many enemies on his side of the aisle. And it’s why so many of us have so much respect for him. I never had a favorite Trotskyite until I started reading Chris Hitchens.


21 posted on 04/02/2011 8:25:00 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Yes, he’s a great writer and has a wonderful mind. I just pray for his heart and soul.


22 posted on 04/02/2011 8:40:37 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I will pray for him.


23 posted on 04/02/2011 8:42:57 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: SeekAndFind

It makes me feel better - prayers for Hitchens...


24 posted on 04/02/2011 8:46:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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To: Persevero

Christopher Hitchens...who the heck is he? ANSWER: a pipsqueak.

He doesn’t come close to either thief on the cross....forget him


25 posted on 04/02/2011 8:52:01 PM PDT by Tribemike1
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To: SeekAndFind

Dear Christopher, (whose name means “Christ-bearer”) prepare to be surprised.


26 posted on 04/02/2011 9:28:58 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He has been a man of consistent and honest beliefs - even though such consistency and honesty has brought him condemnation from former friends who hoped he would join them in hypocrisy.

This is rare and it’s to be respected.

I wish him well, though if it isn’t to be, then I wish him a dignified and painless death.


27 posted on 04/02/2011 10:42:20 PM PDT by spinestein (The answer is 42.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Poor bastard. Of course we should pray for him.


28 posted on 04/02/2011 10:57:46 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: SuzyQue

Love it. Harder cases have cracked under less duress. Praying that he lives to celebrate his change of heart.


29 posted on 04/02/2011 11:45:49 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: InvisibleChurch

“There isn’t any thing “swinish” about praying for the soul of another man. The Holy Spirit keeps working on him.”

I didn’t mean to imply that it is. The verse seems to imply the rejector is a swine, certainly not the caster of the pearls.

Similarly, when Jesus sent His disciples out to preach the gospel, if they were refused, they were instructed to shake the very dust off their feet as a testimony against that town.

So I think there is a consistent sense of discerning times to witness and pray and times to not witness and pray.

I don’t pretend to perfectly know when those times are. I don’t think we are supposed to continually hold up the Lord and His sacrifice for abuse, though.


30 posted on 04/02/2011 11:55:29 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: llandres

“Why do such supposedly “enlightened, intellectual” people rail so vehemently against even the possibility of a Higher Power???”

Pride.


31 posted on 04/03/2011 1:39:55 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SeekAndFind
“[W]hat if I pulled through and the pious faction contentedly claimed that their prayers had been answered? That would somehow be irritating,”

Wow, he's saying he'd rather be dead than see God get any credit for his recovery. He'd rather die than be wrong in his atheist beliefs. Thus, essenstially, he'd rather be dead than have to live with God. It's a shame he will very probably learn the eternal implications of that mindset the hard way.

32 posted on 04/03/2011 3:05:45 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

When in disgrace with Fortune and men’s eyes,
I all alone beweep my outcast state,
And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,
And look upon myself and curse my fate,
Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
Featured like him, like him with friends possess’d,
Desiring this man’s art, and that man’s scope,
With what I most enjoy contented least.
Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,
Haply I think on thee, and then my state,
Like to the lark at break of day arising
From sullen earth, sings hymns at heaven’s gate;
For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings
That then I scorn to change my state with kings.


33 posted on 04/03/2011 4:25:39 AM PDT by solzhenitsyn ("Live Not By Lies")
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To: Persevero

Thanks, I understand. I guess I have a hard time letting any one go regardless how they behave.


34 posted on 04/03/2011 4:43:42 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (If your PC is running slowly then it will be easy to catch.)
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To: Persevero

He calls Heaven “deaf”. This hints at anger and self pity. It is not the statement of an unbeliever.


35 posted on 04/03/2011 6:02:45 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: dep

RE: why are you now posting an article from last september 7?

1) Is there any reason why I should not ? I did not post it in the NEWS section did I?

2) It was posted in the RELIGION section. Religious issues are TIMELESS and can be discussed ANYTIME.

3) I have posted articles that are over a year old that have never been posted in FR. Is there a rule in this forum that tells us we can only post articles that are most recent?


36 posted on 04/03/2011 8:43:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: circlecity
Wow, he's saying he'd rather be dead than see God get any credit for his recovery. He'd rather die than be wrong in his atheist beliefs. Thus, essentially, he'd rather be dead than have to live with God.

Yeah, that line stuck me the same way. Hitchens has got himself into the sort of lethally ironic situation in which the only way he wins is if he loses--only he won't be around to gloat about it when he does. And if (may God will it despite him) he does live, it will be under conditions that he at least fears will serve to undermine everything he's been going on about--if not in the minds of his targets, then--perhaps most unbearably of all--in his own mind. To save face, he's already pre-emptively ruled out any effect that a death-bed conversion might have on popular opinion by claiming that it would be the result of failing mental powers, drug-induced dementia, or mortal terror, which are apparently the only motives he can conceive of for a belief in God--which is part of his problem. (Not that mortal terror can't be a good place to start--it's just not a good place to still be at a couple of years down the road.)

It's a shame he will very probably learn the eternal implications of that mindset the hard way.

Probability and the history of the personality involved certainly suggest that this is the most likely outcome. But you never can tell--mortal terror has the effect of (in the words of Samuel Johnson} clearing the mind wonderfully, by displaying sharply antithetical (and absolutely final) alternatives and then demanding what might be called an existential leap. What happens under those conditions, no man--not even the one making the leap--may reliably predict until the moment is upon him, and he may not be consciously aware even then why he has chosen what he has chosen--only that some unsuspected and essential something has compelled him to leap one way or the other. Moments like this are hidden in glorious mystery, and are, I suspect, one of the reasons God created us with free will in the first place, and refuses to affect it directly--so that (in a sense) even He can be "surprised" by what happens next!

In our discussion of all this, I am afraid that we may forget that Mr. Hitchens is not a lay figure or a straw man in an idle philosophical debate--he is an actual man actually dying: and I would hate for any reluctance he might have about surviving after our prayers for him to be based on his very likely suspicion that he would be twitted and jeered at by many for changing his mind about God on the edge of disaster, or that our prayers would forever after be thrown back into his face as "evidence" that he was wrong about us after all. He is standing at precisely that point--in fear of his life--that most of us would do anything to avoid facing, but will nevertheless have to face eventually, one way or another; and whether he agrees with it or not--and especially if he doesn't--he needs our prayers.

What he does with the results of them is up to him. And the same goes for us.

37 posted on 04/03/2011 4:04:43 PM PDT by Dunstan McShane
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To: SeekAndFind

Hitchens is true to the template: every modern atheist I’ve met has been an arrogant selfish “intellectual” who fashions himself the smartest person in any room. Their arguments are delivered with an elitist sneer.


38 posted on 04/03/2011 4:14:48 PM PDT by moodyskeptic (Cultural warrior with a keyboard)
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To: SeekAndFind
I didn't know the type of cancer he had...that is what my father died from and it was a long, hard process.

I'll pray for him anyway...God doesn't pay any attention to whether we wish his grace or not..He gives it anyway.

39 posted on 04/03/2011 4:17:19 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: greyfoxx39
I'll pray for him anyway...God doesn't pay any attention to whether we wish his grace or not..He gives it anyway.

The Holy Spirit has softened harder hearts than Christopher Hitchens'.

40 posted on 04/03/2011 5:22:57 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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