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Joseph Smith Is Tarred and Feathered [LDS lesson in children's class ages 8-11]
LDS.org Primary ^ | 1977

Posted on 04/03/2011 8:11:07 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

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To: Tread EZ

BTW, there is no LDS if they are not “The Restored Church” so I understand their view, I just don’t believe it.

In order for them to be “The Restored Church” and the one true church, all others would necessarily have to be wrong.


61 posted on 04/03/2011 10:19:47 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Tread EZ

These statements and more demonstrate the seperateness of Christianity and Mormonism.

The only reason they say "We are Christian" is an attempt to morph into something they are not and co-opt Christianity.

 

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world"
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60

"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p.

"Christians—those poor, miserable priests brother Brigham was speaking about—some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men. The poor devils, they could not get up here and preach an oral discourse, to save themselves from hell; they are preaching their fathers' sermons —preaching sermons that were written a hundred years before they were born. ...You may get a Methodist priest to pour water on you, or sprinkle it on you, and baptize you face foremost, or lay you down the other way, and whatever mode you please, and you will be damned with your priest.
- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 89

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast."
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent."
- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255

"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon."
- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p. 324

Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46

"I was answered that I must join none of them (Christian Churches), for they were all wrong...that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight" (Joseph Smith History 1:19).

"...orthodox Christian views of God are Pagan rather than Christian." (Mormon Doctrine of Deity by B.H. Roberts, p.116)

"...the God whom the 'Christians' worship is a being of their own creation..." (Apostle Charles W. Penrose, JD 23:243)

"The Christian world, so called, are heathens as to their knowledge of the salvation of God." (Brigham Young, JD 8:171)

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute best." (John Taylor, JD 13:225)

"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing...Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God." (John Taylor, JI) 13:225)

"Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.177)

"...brother Joseph B. Nobles once told a Methodist priest, after hearing him describe his god, that the god they worshiped was the "Mormon's" Devil-a being without a body, whereas our God has a body, parts and passions." (Brigham Young, JD 5:331)

"...the great apostate church as the anti-christ...This great antichrist...is the church of the devil." (Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p.40)

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the "whore of Babylon" whom the lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness." (Pratt, The Seer, p.255)

 

“God is not at its head, making that church [i.e., Christianity] – following the appearance in it of Satan – no longer the church of God. To say that Satan sits in the place of God in Christianity after the time of the apostles is not to say that all that is in it is Satanic.”
- Kent P. Jackson, “Early Signs of Apostasy,” Ensign, December 1984, p. 9

1 Nephi 14:10 "Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of god, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth."

"Orthodox Christian views of God are pagan rather than Christian" (Mormon Doctrine of Deity, B. H. Roberts [General Authority], 116).

Brigham Young: “…and he that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is Antichrist.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol 9 pg 312).

Mormon Apostle Hyrum M. Smith,- “In fact, my brethren and sisters, if the falsity of a religion can be measured in any degree by the amount of trouble and turmoil and strife and bitterness and hatred that it has engendered in the hearts of men, if it can be judged by the number of wars it has carried on and the rivers of blood it has shed, the amount of misery and sorrow, it has caused, or the extremes of impurity, found among its adherents, then Christianity, that which is known as Christianity, is the falsest of all religions in the world… The trouble is, as God declared to Joseph the Prophet, mankind have gone astray. Their religions are an abomination in his sight, and their professors are corrupt because they have turned away from the truth and have turned unto fables.” (Conference Report, October 1916, p.43).

 

 

The plaque above is found in Temple Square with Joseph Smith a top it. You may need to blow up the picture to read it. If you are unable, I or some other Freeper will send you the verbiage.


62 posted on 04/03/2011 10:22:03 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Tread EZ

Yes, I know the meaning of ‘indoctrinate’. It’s not the meaning but your use of the word I find offensive. I have written nothing offensive of their beliefs. Yet you use that word in an offensive way in responding to me, but continue to rail against people making offensive remarks about ‘Mormons’. You just don’t get what you’re doing, and how it comes across.


63 posted on 04/03/2011 10:23:42 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: Vendome
BTW, there is no LDS if they are not “The Restored Church” so I understand their view, I just don’t believe it. In order for them to be “The Restored Church” and the one true church, all others would necessarily have to be wrong.

That is a valid doctrinal argument. I'm sure one of our FReeper Mormon members would discuss their reason for their beliefs if they thaught someone was really interested. I also suspect they avoid these diescussions out of fear of attack and even getting banned.

64 posted on 04/03/2011 10:23:49 AM PDT by Tread EZ (God bless you and yours)
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To: Vendome

Thanks for the spam. Please let us have an intelligent discussion.


65 posted on 04/03/2011 10:25:07 AM PDT by Tread EZ (God bless you and yours)
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To: bcsco

You infer offense—none was intended. I am speaking factually.


66 posted on 04/03/2011 10:28:13 AM PDT by Tread EZ (God bless you and yours)
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To: Tread EZ

There have been very few who would engage in a genuine discussion of doctrinal differences and when they show I really enjoy the conversation.

The rest conjure up this synthetic injury of martyrdom as if everyone is out get them and the LDS church or they show up and ask leading questions or have a great go at being evasive which is not productive and childish.


67 posted on 04/03/2011 10:30:07 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Tread EZ
I am speaking factually.

Based on what knowledge or evidence? If you mean the simple meaning of 'indoctrinate', then you missed the mark because your post came across quite offensive, whether meant or not.

There is nothing wrong with indoctrination as long as it adheres to the truth of one's belief. And the song 'Jesus Loves Me' is, as I state, a simple song letting children know of Christ's love. Teaching them to sing it, if indoctrination, is the purest form of teaching the truth. Yet you make it seem offensive.

68 posted on 04/03/2011 10:32:57 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: Tread EZ

LOL

You asked about the “Apostate...Whore” and tried to make it personal. They don’t reveal it to you unless you have friends a long time as was revealed to me after 20 years of friendship.

I almost fell over when I heard and actually laughed but in that moment I had consider something that never occurred to me before: We are doctrinally different, we are Christians and they are LDS. I had never thought there was a view like that. Just assumed we were both Christians and their is view is clearly different.


69 posted on 04/03/2011 10:35:02 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Tread EZ
and I'm sure you must be right. Could you give me an example of a FReeper Mormon attacking Christianity?

I stated "mormon FReepers attacking Christians".....and IMO, every time a mormon leader, missionary, member or FReeper says that"

1. Joseph Smith was a "prophet of God"

2. "The "Restored Gospel of Christ"

3. "Mormonism is the one, true church"

4 . "The Book of Mormon is true".

5. The Bible is not "correctly translated"

6. Thomas Monson or whoever holds the office of President of the mormon church is a "prophet of God"

7. Temple marriage is "for time and eternity"

8. Joseph Smith had a "vision from God and Christ"

9. "There are three degrees of glory" and one must become "worthy" to dwell with God.

it is an attack by mormons on Christianity. I'm sure that the Inmans can list several more attacks.

70 posted on 04/03/2011 10:35:39 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: Vendome
There have been very few who would engage in a genuine discussion of doctrinal differences and when they show I really enjoy the conversation.

Did you see that early on in the thread someone pinged an anti-Mormon ping list? I don't think an open discussion of religious beliefs is possible on FR--caucuses insulate from dissent, and open threads invite attack from ping list nazis. It is to our great shame.

71 posted on 04/03/2011 10:36:32 AM PDT by Tread EZ (God bless you and yours)
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To: bcsco
'Jesus Loves Me' is, as I state, a simple song letting children know of Christ's love. Teaching them to sing it, if indoctrination, is the purest form of teaching the truth.

If you were the nanny of an Orthodox Rabbi, would it be appropriate to teach it to his children?

72 posted on 04/03/2011 10:38:58 AM PDT by Tread EZ (God bless you and yours)
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To: Tread EZ

I wish all these Mormon threads were in chat. Ditto for any other threads which comment on various religions.


73 posted on 04/03/2011 10:41:31 AM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: Tread EZ
If you were the nanny of an Orthodox Rabbi, would it be appropriate to teach it to his children?

Well, you're obviously not here to discuss, but post absurd, leading remarks in hopes of drawing something to attack. Forget I even bothered to address you. You've become ridiculous.

74 posted on 04/03/2011 10:43:06 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: Vendome
We are doctrinally different, we are Christians and they are LDS.

In America, who decides who is a Christian? Should it be the Baptist Christians, the Catholic Christians, or the "church" that protests at soldier's funerals??

75 posted on 04/03/2011 10:44:37 AM PDT by Tread EZ (God bless you and yours)
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To: Tread EZ

I missed it but I was probably on the list as well.


76 posted on 04/03/2011 10:45:09 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Tread EZ
someone pinged an anti-Mormon ping list?

There is no such list.

77 posted on 04/03/2011 10:45:14 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: IM2MAD
I wish all these Mormon threads were in chat. Ditto for any other threads which comment on various religions.

I wish they were on Huffingtonpost where insulting religion is a way of life.

78 posted on 04/03/2011 10:46:09 AM PDT by Tread EZ (God bless you and yours)
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To: Tread EZ; bcsco

Non Sequitor.


79 posted on 04/03/2011 10:47:14 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Tread EZ

Another Non Sequitor.

What are talking about? We are discussing doctrinal differences of LDS and just about any other branch of Christianity.


80 posted on 04/03/2011 10:48:58 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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