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The Biblical Jesus vs. the Book of Mormon Jesus
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Posted on 04/04/2011 10:36:55 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

The Biblical Jesus vs. the Book of Mormon Jesus
(From a post on exmormon.org)

Special thanks to who ever posted this originally (sorry I forgot your name) and aknowledgement to Gordon Hinckley who said "we worship a different Christ".


LDS members believe that they are singularly blessed with a record of the earthly ministry of Jesus from his life in Palestine, his visit to the Spirit World, and his visit to the Americas. Yet, a chronological reading of the story of Jesus’ last week in Palestine to his ministry in the America, using LDS scripture, leaves one puzzled as to the very nature and character of Jesus.

I. Palestine

During the last days of Jesus’ life in Palestine, he entered triumphantly into Jerusalem, healed the sick, instituted the Holy Supper with the apostles, suffered greatly in Gethsemane, was judged and mocked, and then was crucified among common thieves.

In Palestine, Jesus is recorded as being meek and forgiving.

In Luke 22:32, Jesus tells Simon Peter that he is praying for Peter to be strengthened knowing that Peter will betray him three times before sunrise.

Also in Luke chapter 22, Jesus is told of going to Gethsemane and gently rebuking the disciples for following asleep during his personal agony and ordeal.

When Jesus leaves Gethsemane, one of the disciples uses a sword and cuts off the ear of the servant of the high priest. “And Jesus answered and said, ‘Suffer ye thus far.’ And he touched his ear, and healed him.” (Luke 22:51)

Jesus is ridiculed and spat upon. During the night, Peter, as forecasted, betrays Jesus three times. In response Jesus turns his head and looks at Peter, causing Peter to weep bitterly.

Herod, having heard of Jesus’ miracles, mocks him by allowing his men to dress Jesus in a robe before returning the prisoner to Pilate.

Pilate finding no wrong in Jesus, appealed to the crowd gathered who called for his crucifixion. During these acts of vulgarity and ridicule, Jesus is recorded as being passive and submissive.

On the cross at Golgotha, Jesus was placed between two thieves. During the dying process, Jesus is recorded as saying: “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.”

Upon hearing Jesus plead for forgiveness, the rulers around him scorned him: “He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.”

The rulers’ outburst caused the soldiers to add a final insult by placing a wooden placard on the cross above Jesus reading “THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.”

Even the two thieves asked Jesus why he didn’t use his supernatural powers to free himself. As a response, Jesus rebuked one’s disbelief, but then informed that they would be with him in paradise.

The New Testament stories demonstrate a person of quiet dignity, meekness and forgiveness.

II. The Spirit World

According to LDS scripture, immediately upon Jesus’ death, his spirit left his body and ascended to the Spirit World. Jesus begins to metamorphose.

While in Palestine, Jesus preached among the sinners and outcasts.

Yet Mormon prophet Joseph F. Smith saw Jesus’ recently departed spirit go “not in person among the wicked and the disobedient” but to the righteous, such as Adam, Eve, many of Eve’s faithful daughters (apparently names weren’t provided), Abel, Seth, Noah, Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Elias, Malachi, and many more, even the prophets who dwelt among the Nephites. (D&C 138:29, 38-49).

After a visit back to Jerusalem, Jesus became resurrected meaning that his spirit reentered his body. He spent some time teaching his disciples.

III. The Americas

Meanwhile, in the Americas, a different stage has been set. Immediately upon the crucifixion of Jesus, tempests, earthquakes, fires, whirlwinds, and physical upheavals rage for three hours.
The Book of Mormon tells: The city of Zarahemla was set on fire; the city of Moroni sunk into the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants were drowned; the earth was carried up upon the city of Moronihah; and many great and notable cities were sunk, and many were burned, and many were shaken till the buildings thereof had fallen to the earth, and the inhabitants thereof were slain, and the places were left desolate; And there were some cities which remained; but the damage thereof was exceedingly great, and there were many in them who were slain.

The destruction was followed by darkness upon the face of the land and there was great mourning and howling and weeping among all the people.

(3 Nephi 8).

Who caused this massive destruction and death? The survivors would immediately know the culprit in the form a Voice.

The Voice chides America’ inhabitants proclaiming:

“Behold, that great city Zarahemla have I burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof. And behold, that great city Moroni have I caused to be sunk in the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof to be drowned. And behold, that great city Moronihah have I covered with earth, and the inhabitants thereof, “

“And behold, the city of Gilgal have I caused to be sunk, and the inhabitants thereof to be buried up in the depths of the earth:

And building momentum, the Voice continues:

“Yea, and the city of Onihah and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Mocum and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Jerusalem [the America city, not the one in Palestine, he left that one alone] and the inhabitants thereof.”

“And behold, the city of Gadiandi, and the city of Gadiomnah, and the city of Jacob, and the city of Gimgimno, all these have I caused to be sunk, and made hills and valleys in the places thereof; and the inhabitants thereof have I buried up in the depths of the earth.”

“And behold, that great city Jacobugath, which was inhabited by the people of king Jacob, have I caused to be burned with fire.”

“And behold, the city of Laman, and the city of Josh, and the city of Gad, and the city of Kishkumen, have I caused to be burned with fire”

(3 Nephi 9: 2-10)

After itemizing his destructions, the Voice tells the people the name of their Destroyer:

“Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God.”

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Yes, that Jesus who only a short time earlier restored a severed ear, forgave the ignorant, the crucifers, and the non-believers - all of whom had witnessed or knew of his miracles while Jesus preached among them for some three years.

Jesus, the man who had spared those in Palestine who had personally rejected him, mocked him and crucified him, tells those in America:

(3 Nephi 19:35)

“‘So great faith have I never seen among all the Jews; wherefore I could not show unto them so great miracles, because of their unbelief.’”



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1 posted on 04/04/2011 10:37:01 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39

Thanks for posting.


2 posted on 04/04/2011 10:57:19 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Thanks for posting. I hope Mormons read the bible and get to know the real Jesus before its too late.


3 posted on 04/04/2011 11:06:03 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Just saying.......)
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...

Ping


4 posted on 04/04/2011 11:15:26 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: greyfoxx39

5 posted on 04/04/2011 11:25:06 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: greyfoxx39
You need to look here. You are being misled as is obvious by your worn out propaganda.

Here’s a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the “issues” brought up in the anti-Mormon propaganda can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here’s more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

-In Memorium, Paragon Defender, felled by JimRob Zot, April 3, 2011.

This worthless post is for you old friend. You were the best “Anti Mormon” on FR.

6 posted on 04/04/2011 11:35:11 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: greyfoxx39
You need to look here. You are being misled as is obvious by your worn out propaganda.

Here’s a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the “issues” brought up in the anti-Mormon propaganda can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here’s more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

-In Memorium, Paragon Defender, felled by JimRob Zot, April 3, 2011.

This worthless post is for you old friend. You were the best “Anti Mormon” on FR.

7 posted on 04/04/2011 11:35:46 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: greyfoxx39
I guess I'm not understanding your point?

How many times in the Bible did God destroy the wicked? Just take the flood & Sodom & Gomorrah. for two.

8 posted on 04/04/2011 11:36:33 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: ejonesie22

PD
RIP


9 posted on 04/04/2011 11:36:36 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39
You need to look here. You are being misled as is obvious by your worn out propaganda.

Here’s a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the “issues” brought up in the anti-Mormon propaganda can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here’s more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

-In Memorium, Paragon Defender, felled by JimRob Zot, April 3, 2011.

This worthless post is for you old friend. You were the best “Anti Mormon” on FR.

10 posted on 04/04/2011 11:37:05 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

Wow a triple from just one post...

The Spirit moves in mysterious ways...


11 posted on 04/04/2011 11:42:35 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: maine-iac7
Actually, I lied in my Post #8 - I DO understand your point - you use any line of obfuscation you can come up with to do your Mormon bashing,

The one you are positing here is as empty as your head seems to be

12 posted on 04/04/2011 11:42:39 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: ejonesie22

Thank you...and I was on the thread when it happened. I really feel for PD but I do not pray for him anymore...he doesn’t need my prayers, but like I said in a post a couple of days ago, I believe he NEEDS and WANTS attention. He got plenty on these threads..


13 posted on 04/04/2011 11:47:21 AM PDT by PeachyKeen
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To: maine-iac7
The one you are positing here is as empty as your head seems to be

Nice...

Of course you also have a point, right?

The article itself is clear to anyone...

14 posted on 04/04/2011 11:49:08 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: greyfoxx39

This video explains everything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1QQpvzqTMnU


15 posted on 04/04/2011 11:50:37 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: ejonesie22
-In Memorium, Paragon Defender, felled by JimRob Zot, April 3, 2011.

I'm sure Paragon Defender was completely blameless for the zot. /sarc>

bahaha and the show goes on. Watching the stage where the anti’s put on their propaganda show is still especially entertaining when you understand what is really going on. It’s similar to watching Nazi Germany skits portraying the Jews as something they certainly were not.
-- Paragon Defender, April 3, 2011.

16 posted on 04/04/2011 11:54:25 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: greyfoxx39
Who caused this massive destruction and death? The survivors would immediately know the culprit in the form a Voice.

Sounds a lot like what will happen in the last days. Calamities followed by the coming of Christ who will reveal himself to the survivors. See Revelation 16 for some interesting details about God-directed suffering and destruction.

17 posted on 04/04/2011 12:02:11 PM PDT by oremites
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To: greyfoxx39
I still don't understand the Mormon bashing that I see here. My wife didn't go to church yesterday instead she stayed home and watched church on TV, it was their general conference. I must say they hide their evil ways very well. As I watched I was moved by some of the talks.

It was obvious as I watched the people talking that they loved The Lord.

Now I guess I can't say which Lord they loved but one of them specifically mentioned the one born in Bethlehem, the one born of a virgin, the one who fed 5000, the one who raised the dead, the one who suffered in Gethsemane, who died on the cross, who was raised from the dead, the one who preached for 40 days after his death to his followers and eventually at the end of 40 days ascended to heaven.

I don't know which different Christ you are referring to but it seems like the one I know.

Maybe they got some of their facts wrong, but I'm not sure I'm qualified to judge. Maybe some of their doctrines are strange but if we were all as good as them we would feel all feel a lot better about hearing the last trump.

I think my wife is the best person I have ever met and the best Christian too.

18 posted on 04/04/2011 12:10:49 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig
We have seen you on these threads numerous times, so I won't waste time in replying point by point to your comment. I'm sure that there has been ample evidence presented regarding the difference of the mormon God and mormon Christ to that of Christianity presented, if you were interested in reading it.

I'm also sure your wife is a very wonderful woman and lucky to have your love.

Your comment, "if we were all as good as them we would feel all feel a lot better about hearing the last trump." is applicable as far as the "goodness" of some of the membership. Having been born and raised in, and lived in various mormon communities I have know some who were exemplary in their conduct, and also some who had the traits of some of the lowest examples in society. Being "good" and following a religion that is non-Christian does not lead to salvation.

I'm sure it has been suggested to you before that if it distresses you to see our posts, that you refrain from reading them.

19 posted on 04/04/2011 12:24:35 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: JAKraig
Maybe they got some of their facts wrong, but I'm not sure I'm qualified to judge. Maybe some of their doctrines are strange but if we were all as good as them we would feel all feel a lot better about hearing the last trump.

If it was about "being good", then the LDS might have something. But The Lord does not grade on a curve. It is pass/fail. And only He provides the passing grade through what He did FOR us.

As for the testimony of those on TV yesterday. If their belief in what the nature of God is, is corrupted by the cult of MormonISM then all the "Bethlehems", "virgins" and "feeding thousands" are merely words. Either that, or they are ignorant of the "real" beliefs of the LDS church as set forth by Joseph Smith.
20 posted on 04/04/2011 12:29:25 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: JAKraig
There is no mormon bashing around here. What you may see are Christians pointing out the errors of mormonISM. The teachings of mormonism is vastly different from historical Christianity. The point of threads like this is to point out the deceitfulness of mormonism trying to masquerade as a legitimate Christian church when it really teaches things that are nowhere near Christianity.
21 posted on 04/04/2011 12:31:01 PM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: greyfoxx39
I'm sure it has been suggested to you before that if it distresses you to see our posts, that you refrain from reading them.

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I guess what distress me is to think that so many people have such ill will for such a kind group of people. There are bad apples in any group, I don't mean to say the mormons don't have their fair share but I never see them.

According to my wife they have a means of policing themselves through a system of church courts. You get caught doing something horrid chances are you won't be a mormon next week. It doesn't mean you can't come back or can't go to church but someone in charge will have to approve it.

So far I have liked most of the ones I have met. They aren't threatening except that they always want me to “get wet”.

I say, live and let live.

22 posted on 04/04/2011 12:37:29 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig
I don't know which different Christ you are referring to but it seems like the one I know.

Just a couple of differences.

Mormons believe Jesus and satan are brothers, both "begotten" of God and "Mrs God".

Mormons also believe that Jesus is a god (not THE God), and that anyone can become a god if they do the right things.

Christians do not believe Jesus and satan are brothers. They also believe that Jesus is God manifest in the flesh (not just A god). They don't believe we can become gods. There is, was and always will be only One God.

23 posted on 04/04/2011 12:48:37 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: JAKraig

No, we don’t hate Mormons...there is no ill will. MormonISM is NOT Christian. I was engaged to a man that converted to Mormonism. There was too much difference for me. I know I am saved by Grace alone..Amen


24 posted on 04/04/2011 12:54:56 PM PDT by PeachyKeen
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To: JAKraig
I say, live and let live.

Will you say the same to the leaders of the mormon church who send out 52,000 missionaries every day, 24/7 to tell Christians that their faith is wrong and the only way for them to be saved is to become baptized, confirmed and perform masonic rituals in their temples?

Flooding the Earth with the Book of Mormon-Ezra Taft Benson

"The time is long overdue for a massive flooding of the earth with the Book of Mormon for the many reasons which the Lord has given. In this age of the electronic media and the mass distribution of the printed word, God will hold us accountable if we do not now move the Book of Mormon in a monumental way.

We have the Book of Mormon, we have the members, we have the missionaries, we have the resources, and the world has the need. The time is now!"

The mormon church has ramped up its proselytizing on radio, TV and especially on the internet with one church website boasting of controlling 300 seperate websites, "where persons of other faiths can learn about the Church and where individual Mormons can share their beliefs. We also provide training and support for Mormons interested in sharing their beliefs online."

With this kind of "spreading the BOM over the earth", I sometimes tire of the complaining we see over our presence on FR.

25 posted on 04/04/2011 12:56:40 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: ejonesie22
Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an Pro-Christian group of people here that spends a great deal of their time posting factual articles from various sources about the LDS church.  Many of the articles come from the official site, LDS.org.

They have a calling to contend for Jesus Christ. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. They will rebut the fallacies in the original mormon article with true Biblical facts, and provide the URLs to them so that you too may read them for yourselves. They will also present conflicting statements from different LDS leaders with the attending source to these statements, usually historical documents or scriptures.

LDS persons SAY they have no issue whatsoever having their scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is usually not true. LDS persons,  including their 52,000 missionaries, with influence from their highest leaders do not WANT their beliefs presented "fairly" and especially not "accurately".  That is why they will use every tactic to prevent the pro-Christian material that rebuts claims presented by the LDS church from coming to light

Another favorite tactic of the Pro-Christian group is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma, yet in many cases present doctrine that many LDS members are unaware of.

That's a Christlike thing to do right?  It does speak volumes about them .

Some of the Pro-Christians bring special witness to you as being former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would be in a good position to carry the message of their own experience. 

 The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. The Pro-Christian group wishes to see that any gain in membership in the LDS church is done with the new applicant for membership having FULL KNOWLEDGE of the requirements, promises and arcane beliefs that they are becoming a part of.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" the Pro-Christians seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to bring to you the difference between your original concept of mormonism and what it actually is....a fraud perpuated by a con man, adulterer and thief.

The goal of the Pro-Christian group is to provide you with tools to investigate a sect that spends millions and millions each year to spread its false message, so that you can question the clever lies and attempts to co-opt the message of real Christianity.

 Read the articles posted from mormon sources, question the belief therein, ask questions of the Pro-Christians and PRAY WITH THEM FOR GUIDANCE.  Do NOT fall into the trap presented by mormons to "read the Book of Mormon and pray to find if it is true".  It will be presented in a way that appeals to your senses, rather than your ability to study the Bible, compare it to the Book of Mormon and use your own good common sense to decide if God did indeed yank His Gospel from the Earth,  wait centuries, then choose a young man with a doubtful past to "restore" it.  There is no need for a "Restoration of the Gospel".  There is no need for earthly temples in which to take part in masonic rituals to gain salvation.  So again, seek the truth.  Use your God-given brain and discernment.

John 6:40 (American Standard Version)  "For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." You cannot "work" your way, or "worthy" your way to Salvation.

Be wary. If you "seek" on the internet, be aware that the LDS church has a very heavy presence there, and in fact one of its groups boasts of having over 300 websites filled with mormon proselytizing. Unfortunately, "Jesus Christ.org" is one domain owned by the LDS church and is very misleading.   If you visit there, be aware you are not seeing the true Christian message.

Here are only two links that will help you get started 

"Are Mormons Christian-Part 1"

"Are Mormons Christian-Part 2"

Any one of the Flying Inmans will be happy to answer questions and provide links to help you along the way.

 

God bless you in your journey to true Salvation.


26 posted on 04/04/2011 12:57:58 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: greyfoxx39

Excellent...Thank you for all you do!


27 posted on 04/04/2011 12:59:58 PM PDT by PeachyKeen
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To: JAKraig
So far I have liked most of the ones I have met. They aren't threatening except that they always want me to “get wet”.

Which of course leads to the question I have asked before, if Mormons are such wonderful folk and all, why have you not joined their ranks...

28 posted on 04/04/2011 1:04:38 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: PeachyKeen

Thank you!


29 posted on 04/04/2011 1:08:53 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: JAKraig

So if hindus, buddhists, or any non-christian group was a “kind group of people” should Christians then not share their faith? Should we ignore Christ’s command to go out into the world and spread the Good News?

There are many sincere people in the world, who are even nice. That doesn’t mean a thing when it comes to spirtual life. Jesus said He is the way, the truth, and the life, and that a person must be born again to have eternal life. Mormons maybe nice people, but they have corrupted teachings, which aren’t the same as Christianity.


30 posted on 04/04/2011 1:31:25 PM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: JAKraig
There is no mormon bashing, it is exposing mormonISM.
Which Lord? Good question.
The Jesus of the Bible - eternal.
The jesus of lds - created, progressed.
Born of a virgin?
This lds jesus was born after a physical contact with a god - intercourse.
The Biblical Jesus paid the price on the Cross.
The lds jesus suffered in the garden.
The Biblical Jesus is sufficient.
The lds jesus is not sufficient - after all we can do.
The bottom line: the lds jesus is not the Biblical Jesus.
The bottom line: lds do not worship the Biblical Jesus.
The bottom line: lds hang everything on the words of Joseph Smith - an adulterer, liar, thief, pedophile, flim flam man, shyster.......
31 posted on 04/04/2011 1:37:25 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: JAKraig
"I still don't understand the Mormon bashing that I see here."

... Obviously, what you call "mormon bashing" is not. For that reason, it seems you do not understand. "I must say they hide their evil ways very well." ... We can agree on that. Evil is most effective when it appears as good. As the Apostle Paul wrote, "And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." "As I watched I was moved by some of the talks." ... being moved is not the standard of judging truth, friend. "It was obvious as I watched the people talking that they loved The Lord." ... Sure. Which one? "Now I guess I can't say which Lord they loved but one of them specifically mentioned the one born in Bethlehem, the one born of a virgin, the one who fed 5000, the one who raised the dead, the one who suffered in Gethsemane, who died on the cross, who was raised from the dead, the one who preached for 40 days after his death to his followers and eventually at the end of 40 days ascended to heaven." ... Was He created or made or did He exist eternally as God? "Maybe they got some of their facts wrong, but I'm not sure I'm qualified to judge." ... now that you mention it, I agree. I suspect your emotional attachment to your bride has clouded your vision of what truth is. "Maybe some of their doctrines are strange but if we were all as good as them we would feel all feel a lot better about hearing the last trump." ... Wow. Wrong. "I think my wife is the best person I have ever met and the best Christian too." ... I hope she is a Christian. If she is a Christian, she should come out from among them and be holy.

32 posted on 04/04/2011 1:38:19 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: ejonesie22

33 posted on 04/04/2011 1:39:40 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: JAKraig; greyfoxx39

No ill will, unless you consider the simple challenge of doctrine ‘ill will’.

50,000+ mormon missionaries daily knock on door and try to convince people that the church they currently go to is part of an apostasy and is not the ‘true’ church of Jesus.

Do you consider those missionaries to be spreading ‘ill will’ because they challenge other’s doctrinal beliefs?

There is a big difference between wanting a mormon to fall off a cliff and wanting them to come to a realization of the truth.

Sure they are nice, sincere people - people who are sincerely wrong in their concept of God, Jesus and salvation.

If you are a Christian JAK, is it ‘ill will’ to try to show them the errors of their doctrine so that they avoid hell? Something to ponder.


34 posted on 04/04/2011 1:51:37 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: ejonesie22

35 posted on 04/04/2011 1:54:13 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

Excellent, ‘Zilla.


36 posted on 04/04/2011 1:54:23 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: ejonesie22

I would ask the mod to remove those lest a lurker be ensnared by the fake creation of Joseph Smith.

We already know many fall for it. There’s no need to provide the pathway.


37 posted on 04/04/2011 2:22:14 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Godzilla
Pointing out the gross antichrist errors of islam to a guy in his 20’s, I received a ‘that's pretty harsh!!”.

He is now a youth minister here in America.

Welcome to the days when sound teaching on just the basics is quickly rejected.

38 posted on 04/04/2011 2:26:10 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: PeachyKeen
I know I am saved by Grace alone..Amen

(James 2:14-26 KJV) {14}What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

James was the brother of Jesus and was the leader of the church after Jesus - until 62AD.

Jesus said: "“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? “ (Mat 7:1-3)

It's a dangerous business, judging others. Jesus warns against it. Why do so many people feel they will be given a pass?

It might be the better part of wisdom to spend ones time tending to their own lives - there's really never enough time getting it right - and leave the judging to God? Maybe?

39 posted on 04/04/2011 2:58:50 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: Godzilla

Its not ill will. This is America, it has a free market of ideas and religions.

Anybody can put his religion on the market, like Joseph Smith did, but if you are going to do that here in America, be prepared to have it scrutinized and criticized...and may the best man win.


40 posted on 04/04/2011 3:03:09 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: F15Eagle

Pretty ‘harsh’ indeed

He could have been trying to blow youth here in america up otherwise.


41 posted on 04/04/2011 3:09:37 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: sasportas
Its not ill will. This is America, it has a free market of ideas and religions.
Anybody can put his religion on the market, like Joseph Smith did, but if you are going to do that here in America, be prepared to have it scrutinized and criticized...and may the best man win.

I agree with you. And FR is an extension of that 'town square' ideal where things can be scrutinized and criticized.

42 posted on 04/04/2011 3:11:52 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

He went to seminary - with little or no prior knowledge.

Most seminaries are little different than liberal colleges - they play up doubting Scripture and push (often liberal) social agendas.

Small wonder few can discern the obvious errors of Joseph Smith and company.

The lack of knowledge is astounding.


43 posted on 04/04/2011 3:13:36 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle
Small wonder few can discern the obvious errors of Joseph Smith and company.

And pass that lack of knowledge to the people.

44 posted on 04/04/2011 3:27:30 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: maine-iac7

Ummm..Ok...I said “I am saved by Grace alone” How does that effect you? MormonISM is not Christianity..there are too many differences. I choose the Bible.


45 posted on 04/04/2011 3:27:56 PM PDT by PeachyKeen
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To: Godzilla

Right, and if the Mormons are going to put out such claims as found in 3 Nephi 9:2-10 about the cities of Zarahemla, Moroni, Gilgal, Omihah, Mocum, Jerusalem (and American Jerusalem), Gadiadi, Jacob, Gingimmo, Jacobugeth, Laman, Josh, Gad, and Kishkumen, well, where’s the proof? If you are going to make such claims expect it to be scrutinized.

Zarahemla? Zara what? Jcobugeth? Kishkumen? Sounds like words generated from a random generator! Where are the archaelogical proofs for such cities?

Where is the evidence for the grand mother of all battles Mormons allege to have taken place at the hill Cumorah in New York? And a thousand other bizarre such like things.

And they cry like babies when here on the religion section of FREE Republic (heavy on the Free part) we examine these things and find them to be wanting.


46 posted on 04/04/2011 3:31:08 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: Paragon Defender

RIP PD


47 posted on 04/04/2011 3:32:05 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Yep, I wonder who he will come back as....?


48 posted on 04/04/2011 3:34:45 PM PDT by PeachyKeen
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To: maine-iac7; ejonesie22

maine-iac7,

Perhaps this post by ejonesie22 on another thread can help inform your opinion...

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A Christian who knows the Bible, knows that pertains to fellow Christians who are acting in a hypocritical manner, we are not to judge the hearts of our brothers and sisters in the family of Christ

HOWEVER...

We can judge actions and also teachings and doctrine that are false or contrary to the Word of God...

JOHN 7:14: “Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”

LUKE 12:57: “Yea, and why not even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?”

PSALM 37:30: “The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.”

PROVERBS 31:9: “Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.”

LUKE 17:3: “Take heed... If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent,

2 Peter 2:1-3 but there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovreign Lord who bought them - bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping”

1 John 4:1 “dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world”

1 Timothy 4:1-8 1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
6If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed. 7Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. 8For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.

Did you not Judge the very post you responded to in order to formulate your response.

Righteous judgment of the words, teachings and doctrines of others is perfectly allowable by God.

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ampu


49 posted on 04/04/2011 3:38:13 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: maine-iac7

(James 2:14-26 KJV) {14}What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

James was the brother of Jesus and was the leader of the church after Jesus - until 62AD.

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The faith that saves is ALWAYS accompanied by Christ’s life expressing itself in good works. Works do not save. They are the fruit that is born as the life of Christ flows through one who is saved by faith, as a result of the Gospel of Grace.


50 posted on 04/04/2011 3:40:03 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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