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To: The Theophilus

Good point THeophilus. I too believe that when the last of the elect come in,the end comes. It is important also to note that it is God who summons these “horsemen” as judgments upon the sinful society which has rejected him. In other words the “degree and intensity of violence” is as a result of the Holy God giving us over to our sins. As in the days of Noah, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be...


16 posted on 04/05/2011 4:30:49 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles
It is important also to note that it is God who summons these “horsemen” as judgments upon the sinful society which has rejected him.

I love you like a brother, but it kills me to see you going that direction.

In my earlier post, I tried to point-out in my loud manner that the interpretation you offered in your post doesn't fit anyone's eschatology. I'm sitting here wondering what to do. Clearly Dispensationalism isn't working for you because you are moving their icons of the Tribulation into the Present time. Post Millennialism isn't going to accomodate a shifting either because their Red Horse was the Roman Empire and the rider Nero or Vespasian. Here is where the orthodox majority view (discounting Rome's strange view) fits in with what your soul is telling you - those Horses and riders are here and now! They have been present with the Church since our LORD ascended into the Heavens leaving the keys with the Apostles.

You are on track about the relevancy of those horses now. Dispensationalists have no need for them since it is only a real concern, according to the theory, for the reprobates who were "Left Behind". They aren't going to read the Revelation so what is the point?

You want to get your congregation jacked up? Do you want Revelation be relevant to them now and not in a "look what the other guy is going to get" teaching? Then you should look into what ministers of God's Word have been teaching since the Olivet Discourse. In my Smackdown style, I have given you the traditional descriptions of the two horses you addressed.

What can possibly be more exciting than knowing that our LORD reigns now, has conquered death and sin and because He rides on a swift horse, we know that the Gospel will saturate the world!

I can see in your words that, like Job, you are vexed with the sin and wickedness that surrounds us. The persecutions have been since the very beginning and are happening today. Instead of feeling defeated by this, recognize that these horses have been riding through the Church since the very beginning. When viewing the other two horses, instead of being anxious and worrying about all the troubles in the world, know that these things have been going on for the duration of the Church Age.

There is some measure of comfort in knowing that while these awful things are taking place, that the Gospel still goes forth conquering souls for Eternity.

My feeling is that as our world is going insane and it seems that we are spiraling into a thousand years of darkness, that every generation in Christ has seen these things, and like them, some may be martyred, yet many survive and the Gospel will keep spreading until the last of the Elect is redeemed. I would think that one of the many burdens/privileges of a pastor would not to scare the sheep, but to comfort the sheep, and Dispensationalism terrifies, Post Millennialism make it a history book, while the Realized Millennial view teaches that despite the confusion, we have our king riding and leading the way.

27 posted on 04/05/2011 5:33:23 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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