Posted on 04/08/2011 2:27:55 AM PDT by HarleyD
This may be one of the more disturbing things I have ever seen. This video is shown to people, and even more frightening, many are likely inspired by it. This guy basically says that the problem with our country is that "everyone can vote", both ignorant know-nothings who only care about themselves(aka people who support abortion, gay marriage, etc), and informed people(aka people who agree with his/the organizations particular views)
and this is all presented in such a way as if it is incontrovertible. as if having an opinion that a woman has a right to choose or that homosexuality is someone's own business means you havent read a book in your life and are just saying that because you only care about your own "selfish interests".
and scariest of all, they actually use the words "Benevolent Dictatorship", where only those who agree with this guy's views are allowed to vote. true freedom. i think im gonna be sick
I beg to differ. The GCM Prophecy (GCM= Great Catholic Monarch) certainly would affect the United States, and some Monarchists may desire to hasten it's demise.
"The restoration of Monarchy will not be a local affair; it will be a world-wide phenomenon...The republics and democracies will be over, communism and socialism a thing of the past..."
-- (More About The Great Monarch, by Yves Dupont, World Trends #41, Aug. 1974)
cited at Today's Catholic World
Advent -- A Season of Hope
Modesty En Vogue [Another one of the virtues]"
Prudence: Mother of All Virtues
The Virtue of Confidence
Is Courage a Masculine Virtue?
Cardinal Virtues: Obama and the Real American Infrastructure – Part One
Cardinal Virtues: Obama and the Real American Infrastructure — Part Two
Morality is Habit-Forming: The Cardinal Virtues
The Cross Exemplifies Every Virtue [St. Thomas Aquinas]
Living the Virtue of Humility
Ever read Plato on democracy?
Do you think the U.S is a democracy? Or a constitutional republic?
So, do you agree with the above statement from your OP? If not, why did you post it? Is it because you see the Catholic as more dangerous than the social liberal who approves of abortion and homosexuality?
This thread is an interesting one, because the OP shows support for the very social issues to which FR and Jim Robinson stand in opposition. Abortion and homosexuality.
And yet, here it is.
Why?
Had this been presented as a lecture on The Republic, I wonder what your response would have been?
Yves Dupont is an interpreter of prophets, not a prophet himself. A resurgence of european Catholicism following a possible Hapsburg revival is not going to have the immediate effect of current American politics devolving into a Heinleinesque Scudder Theocracy. Now long term, after a few more decades of liberal decay, maybe America would be fed up enough to accept such a drastic transition, but not as things stand now.
Will the world at some point be united in Catholic belief? I think so, mainly because I personally believe the ultimate Apostacy that comes before Christ’s return won’t occur until we have a perfect evangelization. When that day comes, no one will honestly be able to say “But Lord, I didn’t know.” As a catholic I naturally believe that perfect evangelization will be a Catholic one.
In short, protestants don’t need to worry about the GCM prophecies. Nothing short of a Miracle of God could bring their completion about, at which point the issue will be moot....
Plato wasn't Catholic so there wouldn't have been a response. Go to the site in question and you'll notice that the topic is framed as someone speaking for the entire Catholic Church is making the comment.
I've realized that those who believe they are an elite predestined to Salvation are just like dedicated communists and fascists. There really are no moral limits for that sort of folks and they'll do whatever is expedient for them one day to the next without any concern for honesty or integrity. What are a few million abortions to people who think that the vast majority of mankind is helplessly predestined to Hell anyway? What difference does it make if homosexuals abound to an elite who sees the vast majority of mankind as damned and worthless?
I can tell you in three words. Because he’s Catholic.
Exactly. I think sometimes articles are put up too hastily around here in an effort to assist in inflicting the thousand cuts.
I've realized that those who believe they are an elite predestined to Salvation are just like dedicated communists and fascists. There really are no moral limits for that sort of folks and they'll do whatever is expedient for them one day to the next without any concern for honesty or integrity.
Anyone who has studied the tactics of the left, specifically Alinsky, will see them in operation here all the time in the FR assault on Catholicism. And logical fallacies abound, perpetrated by the same antis. The double standard, hasty generalization, poisoning the well, ad hominem, slippery slope, appeals to fear and authority...you name it, they're there...even by those who profess an acquaintance with journalism.
This may be one of the more disturbing things I have ever seen.
This person must have never seen the effects of Islam and liberalism.
This video is shown to people, and even more frightening, many are likely inspired by it.
This guy is way too worked up about this video.
This guy basically says that the problem with our country is that "everyone can vote", both ignorant know-nothings who only care about themselves(aka people who support abortion, gay marriage, etc), and informed people(aka people who agree with his/the organizations particular views)
Questioning the wisdom of universal suffrage for those over 18 is not out-of-bounds for conservatives. Also, this guy doesn't seem to have much of a problem with abortion and "gay marriage." Remember, free republic is pro-life and against the homosexual agenda.
and this is all presented in such a way as if it is incontrovertible. as if having an opinion that a woman has a right to choose or that homosexuality is someone's own business means you havent read a book in your life and are just saying that because you only care about your own "selfish interests".
Again, free republic is pro-life and against the homosexual agenda.
i think im gonna be sick
More overreaction. Notice how poorly this is written, too. It doesn't look like it was very professionally written. In fact, it looks like a blog post or a post on a forum of some sort.
Most importantly, check out the website where this is from. It says "AboveTopSecret.com- Conspiracy Theories, UFOs, Paranormal, Political Madness, and other 'Alternative Topics.'"
Check out the comments on this post, too. The commenters are mostly atheist idiots, who equate Christianity to Islam.
We have to question why this is on a conservative website like free republic.
I haven’t read Machiavelli, but I’ll remember your reference.
The thing is, there are clear problems with true democracy (some of which Voris delineates) as opposed to a constitutional republic, and it’s why the U.S. IS a republic.
Most Christians hold that Christ will come again to rule Heaven and Earth, and man’s attempts to rule himself will pass away. It’s certainly within Voris’ purview to state his own beliefs which, the apoplexy shown by some FR non-Catholics notwithstanding, are not likely to become mainstream at any point in time.
What amazes me is the willingness to align with pro-abort and pro-gay views in order to put this article up here.
Believe me, I'm glad to hear you say that. Unfortunately, many of your fellow FRCatholics seem to be having trouble making the same statement, i.e. that a functional, constitutional representative republic is the best form of government over any country, at any time. I suspect that they secretly believe a "benevolent Catholic dictatorship" is better than a constitutional republic.
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American Government and Christianity - America's Christian Roots
In Praise of a Puritan America
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Sources of American Federalism: Founders, Reformers & Ancient Hebrews
America’s Constitutional Foundation of Biblical Covenant
Reformation Faith & Representative Democracy
I sort of thought that an agreement with the above was the norm on FR but I'll keep an eye out and see if I can catch a glimpse of whatever it is you're seeing. I haven't been around here all that long but I never got the impression that the Catholic folks who post and who I have contacted via email had any other form of government they preferred other than a constitutional republic.
I agree with the post.
When will you Pro-duuuh-stants realize the that Rome is correct?
You won’t find many. Most Catholics are happy with a constitutional republic, but our freedom of speech allows free reign (pun intended) to those who favor some sort of Catholic monarchy. No one I know of here expects any sort of Catholic monarchy until Christ comes again to rule Heaven and Earth, but there are a couple of anti-Catholics here who will make hay with whatever they can find.
You'd certainly think so. I'd like to think so. We'd both be wrong, however. Case in point: this guy managed to slip through the cracks for twelve years, from 1998 (i.e. the beginning of FR) until 2010, until he finally came out re the basis and intended future of his version of "conservatism":
"Maybe now folks will finally realize that "traditional American conservatism" as it has been known is neither traditional nor conservative. It is a farce and a fraud — good old-fashioned Jean Jacques Rousseau liberalism wrapped in a red-white-and-blue bathrobe. Maybe now they will begin to see that the Constitution, the Statue of Liberty, and Wall Street are part of the same monstrous history-spanning project that brought us the French Revolution, the Soviet Union, and two World Wars. Perhaps now they will come to see that real capital-C Conservatism has nothing to do with individual Liberty and everything to do with individual Duty, and that real Conservatism is not and cannot be divorced from the Christian religion and the historic Christian culture of the West prior to the so-called "Enlightenment".We Catholics need do nothing but watch and pray. The house of cards John Locke and his contemporaries have built is about to come down upon its own foundation of sand. And after the crash comes, those of us who survive can once again take up the task given us by God after the last pagan empire fell: the construction of civilization based not upon Libery, Equality, and Fraternity, but upon Tradition, Family, and Property. In place of the fallen gods of atheistic Reason and individualist Liberty we will re-erect the twin pillars of Altar and Throne.
Thank you so much for posting this. Vive le Roi! Viva Cristo Rey!"
-- banned Catholic Monarchist FReeper B-Chan,
on the August 2010 thread Catholic Government [Michael Voris video]
(i.e. the thread/video advocating a "Benevolent Catholic Dictatorship" for America)
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