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Bishop Adamec Goes Unnoticed and Unmourned into Retirement last January
The Eponymous Flower ^ | April 9, 2011 | Tancred

Posted on 04/09/2011 9:54:12 AM PDT by 0beron

Bishop Adamec of the highly troubled Altoona-Johnestown Diocese retired in January of this year. How was it it was missed? Someone should have been popping the cork of champagne. But like the despot of a distant oriental country flooded with sand and camels tethered in the ruins of better days, his unhappy reign has passed like the report of a swinging rusty sign, deep in the rust belt somewhere between Detroit and Saginaw.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; History; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: americanism; homosexuality; liberalism; simony
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1 posted on 04/09/2011 9:54:13 AM PDT by 0beron
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To: 0beron; metmom; RnMomof7; presently no screen name; Dr. Scarpetta; OLD REGGIE; caww; bkaycee; ...
In the article, Bishop Adamec is accused of being "a protector of predatory homosexuals."

The article goes on to tell us about Adamec's replacement, Bishop Bartschak, who says he worked for the Most Rev. Donald Trautsperson, Bishop of Erie, for 20 years...

"If he (Adamec's replacement, Bishop Bartschak) worked for Bishop Trautsperson, he can't be much better and is probably decidedly worse than the outgoing Adamec. No doubt those trying to hear the Mass of their grandsires will find things difficult. Yet another Old Liberal given a position of trust where he doesn't belong. May God have mercy on the decaying and rusting Altoona-Jonestown Diocese.

Apparently Rome feels "another Old Liberal" does belong in this position of trust.

Is this how Rome cleans house?

2 posted on 04/09/2011 10:22:21 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: 0beron

I have heard the opposite about Adamec’s replacement. I know he’s celebrating Divine Mercy Sunday, which, in the past Adamec never even acknowledged. Let’s hope for the best. My family still lives in that diocese.


3 posted on 04/09/2011 10:25:19 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue
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To: 0beron

For the most part, these lousy liberal bishops are reaching retirement age, and are being replaced by much better successors.

I don’t know anything about the new bishop, but will hope and trust for the best unless we actually hear differently.


4 posted on 04/09/2011 10:44:32 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: 0beron
"Bernadin's boys" are going, but not fast enough. It will take a generation to fix the damage they did.
5 posted on 04/09/2011 10:47:58 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

You are quite optimistic, aren’t you?


6 posted on 04/09/2011 11:35:48 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Any comments on this?


7 posted on 04/09/2011 11:38:24 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: surroundedbyblue; 0beron
Bishop-elect Bartchak is a highly regarded canon lawyer, considered one of the best in North America, and is known by Cardinal Burke quite well. Cardinal Burke is playing a pivotal role in vetting candidates for bishop in his role at the Congregation for Bishops. If Fr. Bartchak were heterodox, Cardinal Burke would not have approved his elevation to bishop.

Furthermore, years ago, when pro-abort PA Gov Tom Ridge spoke here in our diocese at a fund raiser for the Foundation for the Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown, the Diocese of Erie followed up several months later with a decree banning Ridge from speaking on any diocesan properties or events. As judicial vicar for the Diocese of Erie, Fr. Bartchak would have written that decree. That decree is probably the only thing that kept Ridge from being named as a VP running mate for presidential candidates like McCain.

Finally, Fr. Bartchak has excellent pro-life credentials and served as chaplain for Project Rachel in Erie. He is known to be 100% orthodox on moral theology issues.

He has served in spiritual direction for Erie seminarians for quite some time, and the young orthodox candidates in seminary for Erie diocese are very saddened to see him go.

We don't know where he stands on liturgical issues, but from all indications so far he is orthodox and strongly pro-life. There are no indications whatsoever that he is of the mold of Bishop Trautman.

We are very hopeful here in the Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown about this appointment.

8 posted on 04/09/2011 11:45:35 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: WPaCon

Yes, see my post above.


9 posted on 04/09/2011 11:46:16 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Thanks Doc.


10 posted on 04/09/2011 11:52:59 AM PDT by 0beron
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Thanks


11 posted on 04/09/2011 12:14:50 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Apparently Rome feels "another Old Liberal" does belong in this position of trust.

As usual, you don't have a clue.

12 posted on 04/09/2011 2:10:14 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The article goes on to tell us about Adamec's replacement, Bishop Bartschak, who says he worked for the Most Rev. Donald Trautsperson, Bishop of Erie, for 20 years

A priest is not always the same as the bishop he reports to, and a bishop isn't always the same as the bishop he reported to before he was a bishop. Case in point: Bp. Bruskewitz of Lincoln came from the Milwaukee Archdiocese under the notorious Rembert Weakland.

13 posted on 04/09/2011 4:12:31 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

All Rome has to clean with are dirty rags.


14 posted on 04/09/2011 4:19:56 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Cicero

What a way to be take care of a problem - let’s wait it out until they retire. Wonder how the victims are doing - were they able to hold a job and plan on a retirement one day. Do you think the vatican follows up on them?


15 posted on 04/09/2011 4:38:33 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Thanks, Dr. I am cautiously optimistic, as is my mother who is a parishoner at St Benedict’s. I do believe the new bishop will be saying Mass there soon (or maybe St John’s in JOhnstown - I get the two mixed up as I have family at both). Anyway, I will most likely be in town for the Easter weekend & I hope to see him.


16 posted on 04/09/2011 5:17:47 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue
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To: surroundedbyblue

Bishop Bartchak is scheduled to offer mass at Saint John Gualbert Cathedral in Johnstown on Easter Sunday at 11:00 a.m., and at St. Benedict’s in Johnstown on Divine Mercy Sunday, I think at 2:00 pm.

By the way, St. Benedict’s Youth Group is performing the Stations of the Cross tomorrow at 7:00pm in their parish hall. There are 23 teens involved, including ten of our local Catholic homeschoolers (which includes my three children.) Fr. Mike Wolfe has done a fantastic job pulling together this youth group, and this presentation of the Stations is nicely done. They call Fr. Wolfe “Miracle Mike” because he comes up with all these big, elaborate plans and activities that no one thinks he can possibly pull off, but somehow he always pulls it together at the last minute. He’s a really great, holy, zealous and kind young priest, and he’s really doing a good job with these youth.


17 posted on 04/09/2011 5:44:08 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Wow!!! That sounds great! Wish I could be there.

I’ll be at St Bennie’s for Divine Mercy Sunday!!! Look for the 30-something brunette w/ a little blond girl!!!


18 posted on 04/09/2011 6:07:44 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

thank God Adamec is gone. I know of quite a few Catholics who left the church because he defended abusers...and to make it worse, even when he was in the midst of a lawsuit, I heard about how they pressured a family not to report a boy’s abuse by a “visiting priest”.

Yet folks all are pious, and often have madonnas in their front yard (I didn’t but the coalminer next door did).

Then there was the newspaper of the diocese that always made fun of this custom. So it seems the bishop’s office is also full of liberals....

Even some of those teaching in the Catholic schools taught liberalism and feminism. But that’s another story....


19 posted on 04/09/2011 6:38:31 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: surroundedbyblue

We should be there too. (See my profile page for the Kopp clan.)


20 posted on 04/09/2011 6:44:53 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


21 posted on 04/10/2011 12:31:14 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

I was simply stating a fact, not making it personal. They spoke about this new bishop with no personal knowledge, in a very uncharitable manner.


22 posted on 04/10/2011 12:49:24 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Religion Moderator; 0beron; surroundedbyblue; WPaCon; Campion; LadyDoc
Is this how Rome cleans house?

This priest served as canon lawyer in at least one case where a religious superior went to bat to get rid of a priest who was credibly accused of serious wrongdoing. They are pressing Rome for the monk to be laicized.

Again, I had very good reasons for stating Dr. Eckleburg didn't have a clue about this priest, which is a part of a clear pattern of posting on this forum. This is not "making it personal," its simply correcting an obvious slander.

This priest is one of the good guys, and there is no basis whatsoever for claiming Rome is not trying to clean house with this appointment. On the contrary, this is exactly the kind of priest we need elevated to bishop to clean up a diocese like ours.

23 posted on 04/10/2011 1:17:53 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

If your original reply had been so carefully considered, it wouldn’t have drawn any attention from the RM. Maybe counting to ten before hitting “reply” would be a good habit to form, for everyone who participates here as well.


24 posted on 04/10/2011 1:23:13 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Nonsense. The rebuke should have gone to the original poster, who was posting as usual out of ignorance and bigotry.


25 posted on 04/10/2011 1:28:59 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; Religion Moderator; presently no screen name; RegulatorCountry; Gamecock; ...
Again, I had very good reasons for stating Dr. Eckleburg didn't have a clue about this priest

The Religion Moderator told you not to make that statement, but in defiance of the stated rules and a personal admonishment by the RM to you in post 21, you repeat the remark.

You have no idea what I know or do not know about this priest.

This priest is one of the good guys

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

there is no basis whatsoever for claiming Rome is not trying to clean house with this appointment

There is tons of information that Rome refuses to clean house, not the least of which is the opinion offered by the author of this thread.

Which he is entitled to.

Kindly abide by the stated rules of the FR Religion Forum.

26 posted on 04/10/2011 1:34:24 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; Religion Moderator; presently no screen name; RegulatorCountry; Gamecock; ...
As usual, you don't have a clue....Again, I had very good reasons for stating Dr. Eckleburg didn't have a clue about this priest...This is not "making it personal," its simply correcting an obvious slander.

Yes, that is "making it personal."

You can write whatever you think about this priest. You cannot, however, tell me what I "as usual" think about this priest.

Is it impossible for RCs to discern the difference? Discuss your own thoughts. Or the beliefs and practices of other churches or institutions or faiths. Just don't make personal comments about individual, named FReepers, as you have done.

27 posted on 04/10/2011 1:39:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; Religion Moderator; RegulatorCountry
The rebuke should have gone to the original poster, who was posting as usual out of ignorance and bigotry.

And thus we see the unbridled conceit of the RCC -- everyone is wrong but the papacy, including the Religion Moderator.

We also see you "making this personal."

AGAIN.

28 posted on 04/10/2011 1:43:28 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The Truth is the Truth. And Lex mulla, lex nulla.

I'll do what I please, and the RM can do whatever he feels best. I call them as I see them, and I'm usually correct. I apologize when I'm wrong, which is obviously not the case this time, and which is something you never do.

And I'll never compromise the Truth simply to stay in a moderator's good graces or maintain internet forum posting privileges, thanks.

29 posted on 04/10/2011 1:45:07 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

It appears to me that you’d have been better served by sticking with the well-considered tone of your reply to the RM.


30 posted on 04/10/2011 1:52:41 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Great information and great hope for Altoona Johnstown Diocese.


31 posted on 04/10/2011 1:53:46 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Several more are leaving this year. Have hope!


32 posted on 04/10/2011 1:55:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
It's a blessing having Cdl. Burke as prefect of the Congresion for Bishops. Thank you for setting the record straight.

I'll do what I please, and the RM can do whatever he feels best.

That seems the best way of dealing with this madhouse.

Outside of this Bizzaro World, people who habitually post out of ignorance and bigotry - over the course of a decade or so - would be considered trolls or disruptors, and shown the door. Here such behavior is coddled, and anyone who objects to it is labeled "thin-skinned" and, himself, disruptive.

This is a classic psychological double-bind, in which the systematically abused are blamed by the abusers for causing their own abuse.

And, after the incident with the LDS, it can no longer legitimately be claimed that the management is even-handed, independent of confession. But that should come as no surprise - as I recall that someone who asked for this sort of neutrality was informed that "fairness is not a conservative value". Odd, I thought "equal justice under law" was. Hence, lex mulla, lex nulla is le mot juste.

34 posted on 04/10/2011 2:18:01 PM PDT by cantabile
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Leave the thread.


35 posted on 04/10/2011 3:16:37 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Wow, that seems harsh. I went and read the rules for open discussions, and I just don’t see anything that warranted making Dr. Kopp leave the thread...if anything, it makes my heart glad to see men be men and speak the truth.


36 posted on 04/11/2011 10:48:56 AM PDT by divinemercybvm
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To: divinemercybvm
Click here for the Religion Forum guidelines.

Generally, I instruct posters to leave a thread when they ignore my warnings and/or are too upset to continue on that thread.

37 posted on 04/11/2011 10:52:53 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: divinemercybvm
Wow, that seems harsh. I went and read the rules for open discussions, and I just don’t see anything that warranted making Dr. Kopp leave the thread...if anything, it makes my heart glad to see men be men and speak the truth.

I see that you are new in town, and this is your first post - welcome to Free Republic.

38 posted on 04/11/2011 11:08:53 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy

Ahhh another new comer


39 posted on 04/11/2011 12:46:18 PM PDT by RnMomof7 ( "But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden His face from you,)
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To: RnMomof7

“...another newcomer”

We all were once.


40 posted on 04/11/2011 12:50:48 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Hubris.

Why isn't that comment making it personal?

41 posted on 04/11/2011 2:58:48 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Running On Empty; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy

But lately there seem to be so many RC newbies.

One right after the other...


42 posted on 04/11/2011 8:24:36 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: divinemercybvm

Welcome back home and welcome to FR


43 posted on 04/11/2011 8:40:19 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Good.


44 posted on 04/11/2011 9:21:31 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: divinemercybvm
Wow, that seems harsh.

Ah. Perhaps I can explain. Dr. Kopp is guilty of "posting while Catholic". This is an unpardonable sin on the Religion Forum, especially as he replied to idiotic snark with objective facts. Having violated the unwritten law in this way, it was necessary to nail his head to the floor.

All of this makes perfect sense ... in the Twilight Zone.

Apparently you've been discovered by the Usual Suspects. Pity, that. If you haven't discovered it yet, these are a collection of about a dozen pathetic souls who can think of nothing better to do with their time than torment decent, well-behaved people with their persistent lies, nastiness, and generally obnoxious behavior. They're intolerable, of course, and absolutely impervious to reason, being devoid of even two functioning neurons in the neocortex. However, they enjoy the support of the management here, and Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims, being the designated scapegoats, are required to tolerate the abuse they so generously dish out. Asking for civility - or sanity - or returning even a tenth portion of their nastiness, due to one's lack of masochistic tendencies, is to incur the wrath of ... Khan or something. It doesn't seem to have occurred to them that their own behavior is the most eloquent argument against their particular brand of theological lunacy. Nor has it occurred to the management that every time they pull a stupid stunt like this their credibility drops a notch. At this point, there's hardly even a fig leaf left.

So, welcome to the Dysfunctional Family Circus. You have nothing to lose but your sanity.

45 posted on 04/11/2011 10:50:32 PM PDT by cantabile
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Dr. Brian Kopp; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy

**But lately there seem to be so many RC newbies.**

Amazing, isn’t it?

Could it possibly be that some people have been lurking and are now joining the Catholic Church and getting on board

Oh, my!

Wondering why you pinged RnMomof7; Alex Murphy


46 posted on 04/11/2011 10:56:30 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; divinemercybvm; cantabile; Running On Empty
The fact is that many are drawn to God's Word, to God's Church by the inane, incessant lies posted by those who attack.

Cantabile correctly pointed out that

Ah. Perhaps I can explain. Dr. Kopp is guilty of "posting while Catholic". This is an unpardonable sin on the Religion Forum, especially as he replied to idiotic snark with objective facts. Having violated the unwritten law in this way, it was necessary to nail his head to the floor.

Apparently you've been discovered by the Usual Suspects. Pity, that. If you haven't discovered it yet, these are a collection of about a dozen pathetic souls who can think of nothing better to do with their time than torment decent, well-behaved people with their persistent lies, nastiness, and generally obnoxious behavior. They're intolerable, of course, and absolutely impervious to reason, being devoid of even two functioning neurons in the neocortex.

Asking for civility - or sanity - or returning even a tenth portion of their nastiness, due to one's lack of masochistic tendencies, is to incur the wrath of ... Khan or something. It doesn't seem to have occurred to them that their own behavior is the most eloquent argument against their particular brand of theological lunacy. Nor has it occurred to the management that every time they pull a stupid stunt like this their credibility drops a notch. At this point, there's hardly even a fig leaf left.

The problem is that there are many leftists here posing as Christian Protestants. They may pretend to be Protestant, which is a joke as Protestants are our Christian brothers, but under this mask, this group of leftists says the following about Christians and Jews (more details on my profile page)
  1. Hatred for Pentecostals and Methodists --
    1. accusing them of a failure to grasp the Biblical teaching concerning the history of salvation.
    2. saying that Methodists and Pentecostals worship the gospel of Satan -- a very serious and false allegation
    3. as damnable heretics
  2. of course we know that their group hates Pentecostals as much as Catholics,and their group believe us to be no different
  3. Against Lutherans -- accusing them of liberalism and not following Martin Luther
  4. Against Adventists - accusing them of being the same as Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses
  5. Against Orthodox, trying to say they don't have charity
  6. Against Christian martyrs in Pakistan -- Shahbaz Bhatti
  7. against Jews - no celebrating with Jewish friends, eh?

This an entire cover-up of religion to keep their group's true agenda of fomenting discord -- just like the Westboro Baptist Club

47 posted on 04/12/2011 12:28:32 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

In what dank, dark, and sour universes do our antagonists live!


48 posted on 04/12/2011 6:34:45 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: cantabile

That’s gonna leave a mark.


49 posted on 04/12/2011 7:23:38 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Kindly abide by the stated rules of the FR Religion Forum."

Kindly remember that you are not the religion moderator - we have one already, as you know. Its his job to moderate - not yours. If someone needs a warning, he will administer it. No need for anyone else to butt in.

So why not just let him do his job and stop trying to do it yourself, eh? Sound like a plan?

50 posted on 04/12/2011 8:49:55 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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