Posted on 04/10/2011 4:36:54 PM PDT by Colofornian
Four decades ago, when my wife Dianne and I were active Baptists, somehow we ended up with a Baptist hymnal in our home. This same kleptomaniac-like behavior has surfaced on multiple occasions with respect to LDS hymnals. We even have an LDS hymnal embossed with “Joseph Smith Memorial Building.”
Our Baptist hymnal is a...once widely-used, 1956-copyrighted edition published by Convention Press...
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Recently I searched our current 1985 edition of "Hymns of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" to determine how many of these hymns are common to our older Baptist hymnal. One might be surprised to learn that of...341 hymns in the LDS hymnal, 55, or 16 percent, are also found in this particular Baptist hymnal.
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A cursory view of the index reveals that the LDS hymnal contains a large number of hymns on restoration themes like prophets, pioneers, gathering to Zion, mountains, and temples that are not contained in the Baptist hymnal. This situation reflects a similar theme with respect to our respective scriptures. Latter-day Saints and Baptists are commonly blessed with and enjoy reading the Bible, while Latter-day Saints have the added blessing and enjoyment of reading the restoration scriptures.
Based on the commonality of hymns and the identical doctrinal assertions repeatedly contained within them which point to Christ; his divine sonship and virgin birth; his life of perfection; his attributes of love, mercy and compassion; his incomparable suffering in Gethsemane; his crucifixion; and his Resurrection, it is only logical to conclude that if Baptist believers of the 1950s through the 1970s were “Christians,” then also are the LDS or Mormon believers of the mid-1980s to the present.
By the way, “Thou shalt not steal” the hymnbooks is a teaching which is common to both religious traditions.
John Enslen is a courtroom lawyer...
(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...
The reality is that 190 of the 358 hymns in the Mormon hymnal came from non-Lds sources that Joseph Smith said were "apostate" and "corrupt" (Joseph Smith, Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith History, vv. 18-19). That's a full 53%!
That includes Martin Luther's "A Mighty Fortress is our God" [#68]
and Christian hymn writers like Christian evangelist John Wesley's brother, Charles, who died in 1788 ["Rejoice, the Lord is King" hymn (#66)]
Smith said that the Christian church went totally AWOL. Yet over half of the hymns they import from "apostate" sources who embraced 100% abominable creeds, eh?
What should we believe? Mormon leaders' claims? Or their counterfeit actions?
From the article: Based on the commonality of hymns and the identical doctrinal assertions repeatedly contained within them which point to Christ; his divine sonship and virgin birth; his life of perfection; his attributes of love, mercy and compassion; his incomparable suffering in Gethsemane; his crucifixion; and his Resurrection, it is only logical to conclude that if Baptist believers of the 1950s through the 1970s were “Christians,” then also are the LDS or Mormon believers of the mid-1980s to the present.
Virgin birth? This Baptist-turned-Mormon needs to better read Lds "apostle" McConkie's assertion about a Heavenly Father "literal paternity" involving Mary...& Brigham's claim that the Father impregnated Mary "rather than letting any other man do it."
Of course, this author forgot to mention that Baptist Hymnals don't include...
* "Praise to the Man" hymns sung directly to Joseph Smith.
* "O My Father" with lines in there about a divine "Mom"
* "If You Could Hie to Kolob" where the author starts off...
1. If you could hie to Kolob In the twinkling of an eye, And then continue onward With that same speed to fly, Do you think that you could ever, Through all eternity, Find out the generation Where GODS began to be?
2. Or see the grand beginning, Where space did not extend? Or view the last creation, Where GODS and matter end?
Yeah, this courtroom lawyer apparently flunked math...going from a theistic Baptist to a polytheistic Mormon.
Well, Bruce McConkie also thought the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri.....
I can think of a few hymns that aren't shared, such as "Praise To The Man" and "When I Hie To Kolob".
My wife and I went to a friend’s Mormon Babtism. Singing some of the Hymns that I knew from church, thinking “this isn’t so bad for a cult”.
Got to the one of “Praise to the Man” I think. The tune was familiar, and the words seemed sort of familiar. About the second verse though when it was clear that the “by his wounds we were saved” or somesuch referred to Joe Smith I stopped singing. And looking around to see if a lightning bolt was going to strike me!
Ah yes. You inadvertently experienced the idolatry of Mormonism firsthand!
I am a Baptist p.k.
I played organ for a “Reformed lds” church. Many hymns were the same. A few were new to me. There were also some word changes in hymns that I learned growing up.
Well the headline actually struck me in the opposite way. Not so much that they were distinguishing themselves -- but rather lumping themselves under the umbrella of "Christian" churches ["Christian churches, including..."
It's hard to tell what Mormons believe any more.
Their leaders say Baptists are "apostates."
Their leaders say Baptist churches embrace creeds 100% dishonorable to the Mormon god.
Their leaders say ALL Christians are "corrupt."
Their leaders say Christianity went away...until the early 1800s.
But this article says we share the same "Christian" umbrella.
(I guess if this article is true, 'tis time for you Mormons to get your scissors out...clip out D&C 1:30...clip out Pearl of Great Price account of the "First Vision" -- or at least verses 18-19...)
True as taught Christians are an abomination, whores of Babylon - why would you want to be called Christian? Until a few years ago, they did not want to be, so what happened? Why the desperation now to be called what they cringed from for over 150 years?
Just to help refresh your memory -
1. Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus anointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.
[Chorus]
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.
2. Praise to his mem’ry, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assassins,
Plead unto heav’n while the earth lauds his fame.
3. Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true, he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.
4. Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know “Brother Joseph” again.
Text: William W. Phelps, 1792–1872
Music: Scottish folk song
Come to the picnic on July 23 and help us enjoy the sunrise service and really enjoy this special music.
I was disappointed as a small boy to learn that there was in fact no bomb in Gilead.
John, author of the words in the First Amendment, would have been among those denounced by Smith as a fallen person.
So much for the man who founded African American Gospel music.
I'd suggest to Mormons that they go back through all their hymnals or other songbooks and Remove anything by John Leland. For one thing he didn't approve of Sunday school! We can only imagine what he'd felt about Temple Work.
***But this article says we share the same “Christian” umbrella.***
Mormons have no problem using a SDA artist named Maxwell to illustrate some of their work.
Christian yes, Protestant no.
I believe that the Apostle Paul had the authority from God to correct bad teachings when he found them.
I do not believe that any of the Protestant originations were started by someone having authority from God.
It is my experience that reformers get together and decide what God’s word should mean and those of like mindedness form a separate Protestant group.
All Protestant groups are formed by some man or men trying to correct something they see to be wrong with other religious groups.
Ben
Roman Catholicism was surely not started by God, either, Peter is NO WHERE in Scripture called the origin of any Church nor is he any major leader more than the 11 other Apostles, save Paul who wrote more Scripture than any other.
Without prejudice to Mormons, who have never done me any harm, “In the Garden” is my father’s favorite hymn. He has Alzheimer’s Disease and doesn’t remember Mom some days, let along me and nine kids that their own father can’t keep straight, but my husband and children and I are working on a performance of “In the Garden” for when the Captain passes away.
Wonderful!
Der Prinz auf Nerdz, my FReepless spouse, is a professional guitarist, and several of our children play or sing. Dad’s funeral will be a good show. I’ll invite JimRob, if he’s still kickin’, although I don’t expect him to make it from California to Florida for the occasion ;-); it’s the thought.
As a missionary for the LDS Church, I was asked to sing “I Come to the Garden Alone” as a solo at the funeral of a member of the Church who loved the song. As do I.
As a long time musician, having been sining all my life, including many many ward choirs, I can tell you that us heretic Mormons sing all kinds of music. Our hymnal contains some beautiful arraignments, but it’s not the end all, especially when it comes to performance arraignments.
Haha. Make that SINGING all my life.
Sining too, but that’s another thing... ;-)
And I thought that Pontius Pilot wore a helmet just like all pilots, only his had a crest on it.
So?
A gorilla's blood is RED; too!
(BTW; LDS ain't included into ANY 'christian' group other than by themselves; so don't get any ideas...)
Wake up and smell the brimstone!
Show...
Us...
CHRISTUS!!!!
Now now...
Don't call out Catholics on their TRADITIONS that ain't in the bible in this thread.
That is a MORMON tactic to get us CHRISTIANS fussin' among ourselves while they slip away relatively unschathed.
There it is. Brigham Young's doctrine of blood atonement. Still being sung by contemporary sAints.
Brand image. Lds realize they can either be drug down & go with the PR flow of fundamentalist Mormons, who Lds were socially & theologically in the 19th century, or they could "upgrade" to a "biggie size" religion (Christianity).
Gee. What a tough choice.
Well, if the Scientologists wanted to pretend that they, too, were Christian, I suppose they'd have songs in their hymnal like "It Came Upon the Midnight Clear" [get it...clear...Scientologists' "spiritual" goal is to become "clear"...well, I guess ya gotta understand Scientology to get it :) ]
I had a childhood friend who was really disappointed to find out that the choir wasn’t actually singing about her— Rosanna in the Highest.
I’ve been sinning most of my life, too ;-).
I have a CD of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir singing Patriotic Favorites. Fine arrangements, and it’s great to hear a choir with enough men in it!
Yet your church believes in works, not grace.
I do not believe that any of the Protestant originations were started by someone having authority from God.
Nor did smith have any 'authority from God' - so your point is?
It is my experience that reformers get together and decide what God’s word should mean and those of like mindedness form a separate Protestant group.
Do you hang out with reformers that much, been there with them. . . . . if not, your 'experience' is null and void.
All Protestant groups are formed by some man or men trying to correct something they see to be wrong with other religious groups.
And smith wasn't trying to do the same. . . . . pot talking to the kettle eh?
***Harry Anderson who is the most famous SDA artist.****
You are correct. I checked out that book from the local library not long ago. I guess Anderson illustrated so many books for Maxwell I got them confused.
I just noticed my copy of the BOM has what looks like an Anderson painting in the inside fly leaf. Then Arnold Friberg’s paintings on through.
With all the paintings Friberg did for the BOM one wonders why he never did show anyone riding a Tapir.
I have a section I tore from an April 1988 WESTERN HORSEMAN magazine about Friberg, and carried around an old calender painting of his from 1961.
Many MORMON leaders shared many HERS!
Possibly the threats from the Curelom's union?
Possibly the threats from the Curelom's union?
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=10&num=1&id=238
Unfortunately, my church no longer uses its hymnal. We do “Rock Me, Jesus” every Sunday with our ‘worship team’.
I’d love to be able to have this argument.
Well LDS have borrowed and uses a great deal of Christian language etc....no wonder they’d borrow the hymns too. They can’t help but keep on putting layers over what they really are.
The LDS has different lyrics for the Christmas carol “Joy to the World.” Note the last stanza in particular:
Joy to the world! The Lord is come.
Let earth receive her King
Let every heart
Prepare Him room
And Saints and angels sing
And Saints and angels sing
And Saints and Saints and angels sing
Joy to the world, the Saviour reigns
Let Saints their songs employ
While fields and floods
rocks, hills and plains
Repeat the sounding joy
Repeat the sounding joy
Repeat, Repeat, the sounding joy
Joy to the world with truth and grace
And makes the nations prove
The glories of His righteousness
And wonders of His love
And wonders of His love
And wonders and wonders of His love
No more will sin and sorrow grow,
Nor thorns infest the ground;
He’ll come and make the blessings flow
Far as the curse was found,
Far as the curse was found,
Far as, far as the curse was found.
He rules the world with truth and grace,
And gives to nations proof
The glories of His righteousness,
And wonders of His love;
And wonders of His love;
And wonders, wonders of His love.
Rejoice! Rejoice in the Most High,
While Israel spreads abroad
Like stars that glitter in the sky,
And ever worship God,
And ever worship God,
And ever, and ever worship God.
http://www.wordproject.org/asia/joy_to.htm
Why don't Mormons ask themselves, "which god?" And "why this god & not others?"
And if Jesus is a separate god, why does both the Bible & the Book of Mormon say to worship Him? (Doesn't that = worshiping more than one god?)
And, actually the Holy Ghost is supposed to be worshiped per Mormon 7:7 in the Book of Mormon. Doesn't that = worshiping 3 gods per Mormonism's breakout?
And if the head god appointed a former man, Elohim, to be "God" of this planet + Kolob...why don't Mormons want to worship the supreme god who appointed Elohim? Or the "council of gods" that the upper totem pole god heads up? What? Aren't they also "worthy" of a Mormon's worship?
Contradictions abound in Mormonism. Hence, Mormons have to switch the "off" button to their minds and the "on" button to subjective burning-bosom feelings. Otherwise, it brings on daily dizziness.
We now own the Maynard Dixon property where we are having the picnic in July. Come on down!
When I look at Huntsman I think he’s been sharing a few Hymns as well.
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