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To: dangus
First, since Mary is not God, there is no desecration by her being born of a sinful person.

She is a decendent of Adam and Romans 3 says "All have Sinned" and Romans 5 says of Adam that he brought "sin and death" to the entire race. The statement above denies the Doctrine of Original Sin. No the statement is made up of whole cloth.

I'm noting that every time I cite the relavent Scripture it is denied and it is obvious that doctrine is being used to over-ride the Scriptures.

All I can do is to present the Scriptures and contrast them with the documents. The rest is up to the Holy Spirit.

The Ubi Primam clearly states that "All Salvation" is Attributed to "Mary". Your statements have not proven otherwise. You have given no quotes, and no Scripture.

Know that there is Salvation in no one else but the Lord Jesus Christ and a personal faith upon Him for Salvation. Placing your faith in an Organization committed to Salvation in Mary will not lead to Salvation through her. Grace, Salvation, Healing, and much more come through him alone.

If you wish to discuss the Scriptures rationally and without preconceptions, I am willing to also, any time. Until then.

Adue.

31 posted on 04/13/2011 12:44:18 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402

>> The Ubi Primam clearly states that “All Salvation” is Attributed to “Mary” <<

Are you serious? You can only put quotes around three words in your citation, and you say it clearly states so? You can’t give more than three words of context to uphold your assertion, and you’re picking on me for not providing quotes, when I provided three entire paragraphs of Ubi Primam?

>> I’m noting that every time I cite the relavent Scripture it is denied and it is obvious that doctrine is being used to over-ride the Scriptures. <<

You’re not quoting scripture, you’re misquoting Ubi Primam. By the way, you should read Charles Spurgeon’s commentary on the word translated as “all.” If “all have sinned” meant “every human has sinned,” he would be saying Jesus sinned. The bible uses “all” in many places where it doesn’t mean “every one” literally: “All of Jerusalem was upset,” “All of Gallilee came to see him,” “And with him, All of Judea.” In this case, Paul means Gentile and Jew alike. Read the whole chapter, not just three words.

O, and by the way, it’s “adieu.” It’s French for “to God.” Those French Catholics insist on crediting everything to God, and commending everyone to God. They don’t say “amarie.”


32 posted on 04/13/2011 1:18:53 PM PDT by dangus
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