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Are these the nails used to crucify Jesus?
Haaretz.com ^ | 4-12-11 | Nir Hasson

Posted on 04/12/2011 2:48:23 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

Journalist Simcha Jacobovici believes that the nails discovered in a Jerusalem cave are revolutionary in their implications regarding the birth of Christianity.

The Peace Forest is a small grove of pines sandwiched between the Abu Tor neighborhood and main promenade in Jerusalem. Anyone walking along the road that snakes through the grove can see a green pipe rising from the ground and reaching a height of several meters.

This pipe, if journalist Simcha Jacobovici is to be believed, this is the physical tip of an archaeological detective story in the style of the Da Vinci Code.

And this pipe is the sole evidence of the burial cave discovered by chance while the road was being laid in 1990. Digging at the site uncovered two ossuaries (stone vessels in which the bones of the dead were placed, according to custom at the end of the period of the Second Temple). On one of the ossuaries is inscribed the name Caiaphas (in Hebrew Kayafa) and on the second Joseph son of Caiaphas.

The name Caiaphas is rare for the Second Temple era and in fact is totally unknown among archaeological finds. This allowed the digging detectives to say with confidence that the site is the burial cave of the family of Caiaphas, the Jerusalem high priest in Jesus' time and one of the primary antagonists in Christian scripture.

It was this Caiaphas who gave Jesus up to the Romans. He, along with Judas Iscariot, was the symbol of Jewish treachery, a denier of the truth and the de facto basis for Christian anti-Semitism.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Eastern Religions; Judaism; Orthodox Christian
KEYWORDS: archaeology; caiaphas; cave; crucifixtion; godsgravesglyphs; israel; jesus; nails; peaceforest; relics
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Tel Aviv University Professor Israel Hershkovitz holding the nails claimed to be used to crucify Jesus.Nir Kafri

1 posted on 04/12/2011 2:48:24 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I doubt it.


2 posted on 04/12/2011 2:49:51 PM PDT by pallis
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Call me back after the DNA is done.


3 posted on 04/12/2011 2:50:15 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (They don't need to do another 911. They have BHO and the Fleebaggers.)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

ping


4 posted on 04/12/2011 2:52:04 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Longinus is gonna be pissed.


5 posted on 04/12/2011 2:56:46 PM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

WAY too small. Next.........


6 posted on 04/12/2011 2:56:59 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The Romans crucified tens of thousands of people over hundreds of years.

Making the huge leap that these are the nails from the crucifition of Jesus is a incredible leap. Incredible claims require incredible proof.


7 posted on 04/12/2011 2:57:03 PM PDT by fuzzybutt (Democrat Lawyers are the root of all evil.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

What, thread after thread about “Look, it’s the face of Jesus”. Now we’ve migrated to the nails? Yeah, right.


8 posted on 04/12/2011 2:58:39 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Yesterday it was all about Jesus in toast, chairs, walls, and dirty laundry....now this.
9 posted on 04/12/2011 2:59:36 PM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: bcsco

Wow, less than a minute. ;)


10 posted on 04/12/2011 3:00:37 PM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Hmmm, they do look familiar!


11 posted on 04/12/2011 3:02:42 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I doubt it, but, if they are or aren’t really doesn’t make a lot of difference. He’s risen and is not hanging on the cross anymore.


12 posted on 04/12/2011 3:06:59 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: ladyvet

Notice, how you NEVER see stories about the face of Mohammed (the pederast, goat-molestor) appearing in oatmeal, cement, a sand dune, etc....


13 posted on 04/12/2011 3:08:06 PM PDT by Levante
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To: afraidfortherepublic

bump


14 posted on 04/12/2011 3:10:03 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: fuzzybutt

I remember a road lined for miles with crucified Christians in a story I’ve read???


15 posted on 04/12/2011 3:12:20 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: pallis

of course they are! I have the hammer that goes with them. Old family heirloom....seriesly, it’s hugh.


16 posted on 04/12/2011 3:12:36 PM PDT by madamemayhem (defeat is not getting knocked down, it is not getting back up.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Smiley
17 posted on 04/12/2011 3:17:13 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"It was this Caiaphas who gave Jesus up to the Romans. He, along with Judas Iscariot, was the symbol of Jewish treachery, a denier of the truth and the de facto basis for Christian anti-Semitism."

As far as I am concerned, there is no basis for Christian anti-Semitism.

18 posted on 04/12/2011 3:18:43 PM PDT by chs68
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Thanks afraidfortherepublic.

Jacobovici's documentary on the Lost Tribes is highly recommended by me, but he's been trying way too hard in more recent years.

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19 posted on 04/12/2011 3:25:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Lots of Christ’s were crucified. How can they determine which Christ? And would Iron survive that long?


20 posted on 04/12/2011 3:31:49 PM PDT by LeGrande (Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.)
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To: LeGrande

Iron will be the last element standing when this universe dies, so yes. Also yes if the conditions are correct, the iron nails can last a very long time. those nails have likely lost half their size over time if not more.


21 posted on 04/12/2011 3:37:50 PM PDT by aft_lizard (Barack Obama is Hugo Chavez's poodle.)
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To: madamemayhem

I’m pretty sure that I have the hammer. I had to replace the handle, then the head, but it does occupy the same space.


22 posted on 04/12/2011 3:39:36 PM PDT by Yohan
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Bullshit...


23 posted on 04/12/2011 3:43:28 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Levante

Interestingly enough, I was recently in Istanbul where they have what are claimed to be remnants of Mohammed’s beard as well as the hand and skull of John the Baptist and the Staff Moses used to part the Red Sea on display in Topkapi Palace.


24 posted on 04/12/2011 3:47:29 PM PDT by Behemothpanzer (You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.)
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To: aft_lizard

Well the element may last a long time, but how long is a bloody nail buried in the ground going to last? Fifty, a hundred years?

I can find steel nails that corroded in my fathers shed.


25 posted on 04/12/2011 4:04:56 PM PDT by LeGrande (Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.)
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To: LeGrande

If the conditions are right a very long time, a dry cave in a desert region and a very large nail and you have a recipe for a long existence. Buried in the ground in a country like the US and they wont last long.


26 posted on 04/12/2011 4:07:26 PM PDT by aft_lizard (Barack Obama is Hugo Chavez's poodle.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Not the same nails or they’d already be in Rome with the gazillion other “artifacts”.


27 posted on 04/12/2011 4:11:39 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

If they have my name on them, then yes, those are the nails. My sins nailed him to the cross.


28 posted on 04/12/2011 4:47:04 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: aft_lizard

Sure if the conditions are perfect, which they weren’t (by the rust we can see). But that begs my original point, which Christ are they supposed to be from?


29 posted on 04/12/2011 4:51:36 PM PDT by LeGrande (Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.)
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To: LeGrande
I don't care about that aspect really. But they have found Roman nails before, and will find them in the future, here is a good condition set from Hungary, pretty similar in build to the ones in the thread:
30 posted on 04/12/2011 5:11:53 PM PDT by aft_lizard (Barack Obama is Hugo Chavez's poodle.)
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To: Nightshift

gnip


31 posted on 04/12/2011 5:13:14 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: aft_lizard

I have a Roman Coin, so I know that metal from the Roman era has survived. I also happen to know that 99+% of the metal from the Roman era is gone, rusted or worn away.

Are you trying to make the point that those rusty nails are the ones that they used on a Christ? If not, I don’t know what your problem is.


32 posted on 04/12/2011 5:49:11 PM PDT by LeGrande (Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Congratulations.

I know weird.

You just set a new high mark.

LOL


33 posted on 04/12/2011 6:31:07 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Beat me, Bite me...Make Me Write Bad Checks)
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To: wendy1946

Hah. You nailed it.


34 posted on 04/12/2011 6:34:35 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Beat me, Bite me...Make Me Write Bad Checks)
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To: Levante

Islamic cultures have reports of miracles where words, rather than images, appear. This corresponds to their text based faith. Various words from the Quran are found in pictures of clouds, in eggplant seeds, in the segments of a pomegranite ... etc.

Iranians like a good miracle story, and they had a WEEPING TREE. Like a weeping icon, in the Orthodox world. Believers said it wept on significant holy days.


35 posted on 04/12/2011 7:48:16 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: afraidfortherepublic
There is a book in print Whatever happened to the Relics of Our Lord's Passion and Death? by a Catholic priest, Paul Stenhouse. I have not read it, but he is known to be very learned and thorough.
36 posted on 04/12/2011 7:58:18 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: chs68
As far as I am concerned, there is no basis for Christian anti-Semitism

There is a basis for this -- it's an easy way of putting the blame on someone else. We forget that it was actually ALL of our sins that Christ took on the Cross. It was actually ALL of us standing there saying "Crucify him"

37 posted on 04/13/2011 1:24:05 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: LeGrande

Did you miss me saying “I do not care about that aspect” or are you just trying to argue just for arguments sake? Either way if you do not have time to accept the small point I am making then don’t bother posing the question in the first place. I stating with fact that NAILS from that era have survived, those nails in the picture are from Pannonia, an ancient era from the first and second AD. I am not nor have I made statement on whether those nails are Christs, I was simply answering your question about the nails. If you do not care to receive an answer on that then you should ask the mods to delete you initial question or forever hold your mouth on it.


38 posted on 04/13/2011 2:30:21 AM PDT by aft_lizard (Barack Obama is Hugo Chavez's poodle.)
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To: Cronos

But sadly, we had classic cases of having what is called “scape goats”.


39 posted on 04/13/2011 3:40:37 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

They do look very ancient.


40 posted on 04/13/2011 3:42:54 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: Cronos
"We forget that it was actually ALL of our sins that Christ took on the Cross. It was actually ALL of us standing there saying "Crucify him"

Christ himself said those who turned him over to Pilate had the greater sin. Thus, not all are equally quilty.

41 posted on 04/13/2011 5:22:45 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity

ok, so who were those who turned him over to Pilate?


42 posted on 04/13/2011 5:24:10 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: Cronos
"ok, so who were those who turned him over to Pilate?"

Read the Gospels and find out.

43 posted on 04/13/2011 5:25:52 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity; chs68
I know who and I already stated that We forget that it was actually ALL of our sins that Christ took on the Cross. It was actually ALL of us standing there saying "Crucify him"

. Are you stating that this was just the Jews who are guilty of Christ's death?

44 posted on 04/13/2011 5:34:03 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: Cronos
'Are you stating that this was just the Jews who are guilty of Christ's death?"

Only the ones immediately involved who participated, approved or yelled for Barabbas.

45 posted on 04/13/2011 5:36:49 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity

ok, thank you for that clarification.


46 posted on 04/13/2011 5:39:49 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: aft_lizard
Did you miss me saying “I do not care about that aspect”

My implied question was would a bloody (wet) nail last from the Roman times. I doubt it would.

Now if you want to postulate that the nails were dried and sealed in an airtight, oxygen low environment then yes I am sure they would survive.

There is of course, no evidence to believe that the nails used on Christ were stored in such a way. And Nails surviving has nothing to do with your initial statement that the element survives.

So if you want to have a credible hypothesis can you explain how bloody nails can survive, especially when the pictures show that those particular nails were not dry and stored in a hermetically sealed manner.

47 posted on 04/13/2011 10:14:35 AM PDT by LeGrande (Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.)
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To: Behemothpanzer

Wow, interesting!

Thank you for your post,
Regards
Levante


48 posted on 04/13/2011 11:09:54 AM PDT by Levante
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To: BlackVeil

Interesting info!

Thanx for your post!


49 posted on 04/13/2011 11:11:12 AM PDT by Levante
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To: LeGrande

Implied is not the same as stated, I don’t deal with implied. If you want to go down a path were we are assuming that blood at one time covered those nails then sure. Low oxygen or high oxygen doesn’t matter, the blood would presumably dry within hours after being excised from the body, if not with in an hour. Forming a thin film protecting said nails from an oxygen rich environment. I personally do not believe in these being some sort of mystical nails from Christ(I am an agnostic anyways), but either way you seemed damned angry and impertinant, almost like you have some sort of hate for Christianity and religion in general and you wish to not only get in said arguments over it you wish to try and take their sacred cows and destroy them. Frankly you are coming off as a bit of a pathetic old man.


50 posted on 04/14/2011 3:12:43 AM PDT by aft_lizard (Barack Obama is Hugo Chavez's poodle.)
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