Skip to comments.Are these the nails used to crucify Jesus?
Posted on 04/12/2011 2:48:23 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
Journalist Simcha Jacobovici believes that the nails discovered in a Jerusalem cave are revolutionary in their implications regarding the birth of Christianity.
The Peace Forest is a small grove of pines sandwiched between the Abu Tor neighborhood and main promenade in Jerusalem. Anyone walking along the road that snakes through the grove can see a green pipe rising from the ground and reaching a height of several meters.
This pipe, if journalist Simcha Jacobovici is to be believed, this is the physical tip of an archaeological detective story in the style of the Da Vinci Code.
And this pipe is the sole evidence of the burial cave discovered by chance while the road was being laid in 1990. Digging at the site uncovered two ossuaries (stone vessels in which the bones of the dead were placed, according to custom at the end of the period of the Second Temple). On one of the ossuaries is inscribed the name Caiaphas (in Hebrew Kayafa) and on the second Joseph son of Caiaphas.
The name Caiaphas is rare for the Second Temple era and in fact is totally unknown among archaeological finds. This allowed the digging detectives to say with confidence that the site is the burial cave of the family of Caiaphas, the Jerusalem high priest in Jesus' time and one of the primary antagonists in Christian scripture.
It was this Caiaphas who gave Jesus up to the Romans. He, along with Judas Iscariot, was the symbol of Jewish treachery, a denier of the truth and the de facto basis for Christian anti-Semitism.
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Tel Aviv University Professor Israel Hershkovitz holding the nails claimed to be used to crucify Jesus.Nir Kafri
I doubt it.
Call me back after the DNA is done.
Longinus is gonna be pissed.
WAY too small. Next.........
The Romans crucified tens of thousands of people over hundreds of years.
Making the huge leap that these are the nails from the crucifition of Jesus is a incredible leap. Incredible claims require incredible proof.
What, thread after thread about “Look, it’s the face of Jesus”. Now we’ve migrated to the nails? Yeah, right.
Wow, less than a minute. ;)
Hmmm, they do look familiar!
I doubt it, but, if they are or aren’t really doesn’t make a lot of difference. He’s risen and is not hanging on the cross anymore.
Notice, how you NEVER see stories about the face of Mohammed (the pederast, goat-molestor) appearing in oatmeal, cement, a sand dune, etc....
I remember a road lined for miles with crucified Christians in a story I’ve read???
of course they are! I have the hammer that goes with them. Old family heirloom....seriesly, it’s hugh.
As far as I am concerned, there is no basis for Christian anti-Semitism.
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Lots of Christ’s were crucified. How can they determine which Christ? And would Iron survive that long?
Iron will be the last element standing when this universe dies, so yes. Also yes if the conditions are correct, the iron nails can last a very long time. those nails have likely lost half their size over time if not more.
I’m pretty sure that I have the hammer. I had to replace the handle, then the head, but it does occupy the same space.
Interestingly enough, I was recently in Istanbul where they have what are claimed to be remnants of Mohammed’s beard as well as the hand and skull of John the Baptist and the Staff Moses used to part the Red Sea on display in Topkapi Palace.
Well the element may last a long time, but how long is a bloody nail buried in the ground going to last? Fifty, a hundred years?
I can find steel nails that corroded in my fathers shed.
If the conditions are right a very long time, a dry cave in a desert region and a very large nail and you have a recipe for a long existence. Buried in the ground in a country like the US and they wont last long.
Not the same nails or they’d already be in Rome with the gazillion other “artifacts”.
If they have my name on them, then yes, those are the nails. My sins nailed him to the cross.
Sure if the conditions are perfect, which they weren’t (by the rust we can see). But that begs my original point, which Christ are they supposed to be from?
I have a Roman Coin, so I know that metal from the Roman era has survived. I also happen to know that 99+% of the metal from the Roman era is gone, rusted or worn away.
Are you trying to make the point that those rusty nails are the ones that they used on a Christ? If not, I don’t know what your problem is.
I know weird.
You just set a new high mark.
Hah. You nailed it.
Islamic cultures have reports of miracles where words, rather than images, appear. This corresponds to their text based faith. Various words from the Quran are found in pictures of clouds, in eggplant seeds, in the segments of a pomegranite ... etc.
Iranians like a good miracle story, and they had a WEEPING TREE. Like a weeping icon, in the Orthodox world. Believers said it wept on significant holy days.
There is a basis for this -- it's an easy way of putting the blame on someone else. We forget that it was actually ALL of our sins that Christ took on the Cross. It was actually ALL of us standing there saying "Crucify him"
Did you miss me saying “I do not care about that aspect” or are you just trying to argue just for arguments sake? Either way if you do not have time to accept the small point I am making then don’t bother posing the question in the first place. I stating with fact that NAILS from that era have survived, those nails in the picture are from Pannonia, an ancient era from the first and second AD. I am not nor have I made statement on whether those nails are Christs, I was simply answering your question about the nails. If you do not care to receive an answer on that then you should ask the mods to delete you initial question or forever hold your mouth on it.
But sadly, we had classic cases of having what is called “scape goats”.
They do look very ancient.
Christ himself said those who turned him over to Pilate had the greater sin. Thus, not all are equally quilty.
ok, so who were those who turned him over to Pilate?
Read the Gospels and find out.
. Are you stating that this was just the Jews who are guilty of Christ's death?
Only the ones immediately involved who participated, approved or yelled for Barabbas.
ok, thank you for that clarification.
My implied question was would a bloody (wet) nail last from the Roman times. I doubt it would.
Now if you want to postulate that the nails were dried and sealed in an airtight, oxygen low environment then yes I am sure they would survive.
There is of course, no evidence to believe that the nails used on Christ were stored in such a way. And Nails surviving has nothing to do with your initial statement that the element survives.
So if you want to have a credible hypothesis can you explain how bloody nails can survive, especially when the pictures show that those particular nails were not dry and stored in a hermetically sealed manner.
Thank you for your post,
Thanx for your post!
Implied is not the same as stated, I don’t deal with implied. If you want to go down a path were we are assuming that blood at one time covered those nails then sure. Low oxygen or high oxygen doesn’t matter, the blood would presumably dry within hours after being excised from the body, if not with in an hour. Forming a thin film protecting said nails from an oxygen rich environment. I personally do not believe in these being some sort of mystical nails from Christ(I am an agnostic anyways), but either way you seemed damned angry and impertinant, almost like you have some sort of hate for Christianity and religion in general and you wish to not only get in said arguments over it you wish to try and take their sacred cows and destroy them. Frankly you are coming off as a bit of a pathetic old man.