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Archbishop Chaput: "Politics and the Devil" [Notre Dame U talk - Catholic Caucus]
Witherspoon Institute: Public Discourse ^ | April 11, 2011 | Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

Posted on 04/13/2011 2:25:54 AM PDT by topher

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I have chosen to address the theme of “politics and the devil,” not because I plan to suggest that anyone in our national political life has made a pact with Lucifer—although, given the current environment, you never know; it’s not the sort of thing you’d put in a press release—but because it is the title of an essay by the late University of Chicago philosopher Leszek Kolakowski. Kolakowski was a former Marxist, a very gifted scholar, and a skeptic about many things—but not about the reality of evil or the nature of the devil. One of the disturbing things for Kolakowski’s secular colleagues was that he talked about Satan not as a metaphor or legend or the figment of neurotic imaginations, but as a living actor in history. That deserves some discussion, but let’s start at the beginning.

(Excerpt) Read more at thepublicdiscourse.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: abortion; archbishopchaput; chaput; politics; prolife
LifeSiteNews.com also has an article on this:

Speech by Charles J. Chaput given to Right to Life lecture series [transcript via the Witherspoon Institute] at the University of Notre Dame in South Bend, Indiana on Friday, April 8, 2011.

1 posted on 04/13/2011 2:26:01 AM PDT by topher
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To: mlizzy

Notre Dame Right to Life ping.


2 posted on 04/13/2011 2:26:52 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: topher
Oops! LifeSiteNews.com has an article on this. They have changed their policies regarding reprints -- one must have permission.

LifeSiteNews.com: Archbishop Chaput: Refusing to act on pro-abort Catholic politicians hasn’t worked

3 posted on 04/13/2011 2:28:55 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: topher
he talked about Satan not as a metaphor or legend or the figment of neurotic imaginations, but as a living actor in history.

And that is something we all forget -- Satan's plan of making us think he's fiction is working...

4 posted on 04/13/2011 2:29:45 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: topher
from the article
As a result, the idea that the “separation of Church and state” should force us to exclude our religious beliefs from guiding our political behavior makes no sense at all, even superficially. If we don’t remain true in our public actions to what we claim to believe in our personal lives, then we only deceive ourselves. Because God certainly isn’t fooled. He sees who and what we are. God sees that our duplicity is really a kind of cowardice, and our lack of courage does a lot more damage than simply wounding our own integrity. It also saps the courage of other good people who really do try to publicly witness what they believe. And that compounds a sin of dishonesty with a sin of injustice.
Good points
5 posted on 04/13/2011 2:30:46 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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The rights of the poor and the rights of the unborn child flow from exactly the same human dignity guaranteed by the God who created us.
6 posted on 04/13/2011 2:32:55 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: topher

80% of what ND preaches doesn’t match 80% of their actions .... they’re quickly becoming the equal of liberal public colleges.


7 posted on 04/13/2011 2:33:50 AM PDT by dmam2011
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To: topher

VERY good article! Just posted it on my Facebook page.


8 posted on 04/13/2011 5:03:30 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: topher

Archbishop Chaput ROCKS (in the metaphorical sense)and is planted firmly on THE Rock!

;-)


9 posted on 04/13/2011 5:14:28 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: topher
Ironic that Archbishop Chaput gave this lecture in the university that enthusiastically granted Obama an honorary doctorate...


10 posted on 04/13/2011 5:20:55 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: COBOL2Java
There are those at Notre Dame that are trying to build a Culture of Life and restore more of a Catholic Atmosphere at the College.

I would not mind seeing the current president of ND replaced.

But this Right to Life group was able to get Archbishop Chaput to speak there...

It is step in the right direction.

Now, if ND would only drop the charges against the ND88.

11 posted on 04/13/2011 7:40:25 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: topher
Bump.


12 posted on 04/13/2011 8:05:42 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If they won't defend Life and Liberty, what else matters?)
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To: COBOL2Java

13 posted on 04/13/2011 8:07:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If they won't defend Life and Liberty, what else matters?)
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To: topher
Christ never absolved us from defending the weak, or resisting evil in the world, or from solidarity with people who suffer. Our fidelity as Christians is finally to God, but it implies a faithfulness to the needs of God’s creation. That means we’re involved—intimately—in the life of the world, and that we need to act on what we believe: always with humility, always with charity, and always with prudence—but also always with courage. We need to fight for what we believe. As Kolakowski wrote, “Our destiny is decided on the field on which we run.” --from the post

Notre Dame law professor Charles Rice has been critical of some of the university administration’s responses, saying Notre Dame should have had an official presence at every March for Life since 1973. Last year Rice said any changes would be “cosmetic” unless charges are dropped against pro-life protesters arrested at the time of the 2009 commencement.
Thanks topher for the post / Archbishop Chaput's speech. It was a great read!! The quote directly above is from this article, which announces the new coordinator for pro-life issues, Mary Daly. And while Fr. Jenkins still remains the "clown-prince" at Notre Dame, Mary Daly's presence at the University is a huge positive.
14 posted on 04/13/2011 10:44:54 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy
Thanks topher for the post / Archbishop Chaput's speech. It was a great read!! The quote directly above is from this article, which announces the new coordinator for pro-life issues, Mary Daly. And while Fr. Jenkins still remains the "clown-prince" at Notre Dame, Mary Daly's presence at the University is a huge positive.

I agree. Any news on ND88? That issue has been silent since February, near as I can tell...

15 posted on 04/13/2011 1:01:18 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: mlizzy
Though the DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD vote tomorrow will probably be lost, it is still, in my opinion, worthwhile to give you Senators your opinions.

There are three great expose's on LiveAction.Org:

1. Statutory Rape and Planned Parenthood

2. Sex trafficking and Planned Parenthood

3. False Mammogram claims by Planned Parenthood.

And there are some other really great articles to pass along to the Senate staff. Some of them will read them out of curiousity -- especially if enough people send them in...

16 posted on 04/13/2011 1:23:27 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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I agree. Any news on ND88? That issue has been silent since February, near as I can tell...

Yes, it sure *has* been silent. Those folks should be freed from all the stress in that regard. Jenkins is such a ... well, you know ...
17 posted on 04/13/2011 6:19:38 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: EternalVigilance

Outstanding graphic!! Makes me want to cry.


18 posted on 04/13/2011 6:20:23 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy
I am sensing, in my soul, that as time passes, hope for the salvation of Father Jenkins may be dimming. I pray that I am wrong -- the children of Fatima taught me that they did not want anyone to go to hell -- because is was such an awful place. They stated that if the Virgin Mary had not been present, they would literally have been frightened to death, plus they had the guarantee that they were going to heaven. Still they made horrendous sacrifices to save souls because of this vision (June 13th, 1917, if memory serves me correct

Many people do not realize that it is tougher for a priest, or someone who has great responsibility, to get to heaven.

There was one saint, known as such on earth, who heard that the pope had passed away. He literally took off, and hid so that they would not elect him pope. I think this was about 500 years ago -- give or take 100 years...

For Jesus said:

Luke 12:47-48 NIV

"That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. but the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked. (NIV)

A choir director I once knew had a dream about a [deceased] priest she once knew whom she thought was a good priest. From the conversation, she probably thought he went straight to heaven on his death.

In the dream, the priest begged the woman to pray for him, and said that he would pray for her.

She was puzzled by this, but I guess she did realize he was probably in purgatory (or was surprised by the fact).

I would hope I might have a chance at purgatory when I die. I would be very happy spend a century in Purgatory with a chance for heaven -- which I do not deserve.

Father Jenkins, because he is at such a center of scandal, and he is in charge of the best known Catholic University in the United States, is in great peril.

At least, that is my opinion.

I remember when Marymount Manhattan got tossed out of the Catholic Church over Hillary Clinton announced as the speaker for Commencement (similar to Obama at Notre Dame).

This was shortly after Pope Benedict XVI was elected, and it was just announced that Pope Benedict had an email.

It is sort of a humorous story, as I was working at Priests for Life at the time, and Father Frank Pavone told us to use our work email (with the priestsforlife.com domain) for private emails.

I had sent out a number of emails to Pope Benedict and copying the president of Marymount Manhattan to voice my opinion [about Hillary Clinton speaking at the Commencement]. For some reason, it did not dawn on me that the Vatican might pay special attention to an email from Priests for Life. [Unbelievably stupid/naive on my part, but I had a large plank in front of my eyes.]

To make a long story short, I sensed that Father Frank was very upset at me, and it was discussed that there was some sort of problem with the Archdiocese of New York (Cardinal Egan and Father Frank). At one of our meetings, it was stated that the deal with Priests for Life being under the control of the Diocese of Amarillo had already been finalized. Otherwise, it sounded like there have been problems.

I got the sense at the time that because of Marymount Manhattan being kicked out of the Catholic Church, some soul was heading for hell because of it (probably someone at Marymount Manhattan.)

It still was something good -- that Cardinal Egan made an example out of Marymount Manhattan by tossing that college out of the Church. There were probably some Catholic Colleges that took note of it at the time, and it may have helped them and the Church.

I do not have regrets, for other souls might have been saved because of Cardinal Egan's example of tossing Marymount Manhattan out of the Catholic Church.

But there may be hope for that soul, whoever it is, that I sensed was lost at that time.

It is short of a long but I find interesting story. Maybe when I die, I find the truth out. I don't know if it will be a good thing or a bad thing at my judgement...

It is just that I fear for Father Jenkins, because of scandal the scandal he created. I seem to sense that he may be reaching a point of no return -- which I pray is not true. But Jesus said quite clearly that it is "better to put a millstone around your neck and be thrown into the sea than to cause scandal."

19 posted on 04/13/2011 8:28:27 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: mlizzy

Sorry for the long post, but maybe it will help someone ... to realize the consequence of sin, and try to get to heaven...


20 posted on 04/13/2011 8:29:41 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: EternalVigilance

Truly a low point in American Catholic history; was it Archbishop Sheen who said it was better for our children to be forced to defend their faith at public schools than to lose their faith in Catholic schools?


21 posted on 04/14/2011 3:31:38 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: topher
But unlike Harvard or Yale, Northwestern or Southern Cal, all once Christian universities but now secular schools, Notre Dame has the weapon to combat all heresies; namely Notre Dame Herself. The modernists may have their day, but, like the song says, Notre Dame will win over all. For the modern infidels to take control here, they would have to blow our dame off the dome, rip the heart (the Eucharist) out of Sacred Heart and lastly, rock by rock, tear the grotto apart. And legions of Her sons and daughters would willingly die martyrs before they would allow that to happen. --Tom O'Toole, "Upon These Rocks"
Interesting post. Will you be writing Rome on Fr. Jenkins soon? :):)

Tom started "Suffering Irish" many years ago, as an apostolate whereby folks could offer up their sufferings/prayers for the University of Notre Dame. We've sold some t-shirts, but only a few people have left their names/emails to be added to the members list.

Tom had been working on a book (with Charles E. Rice's encouragement) called "Saving Notre Dame" but other things halted the progress; hopefully he can get that back into swing. I think folks feel that UND can just be cast into the secular pool, and there will be no bad repercussions from that, but IMO that's not true, and the college needs to be saved, and, of course, so does Jenkins (it's kind of you to be concerned for his soul).

Saving Notre Dame on Facebook
22 posted on 04/14/2011 8:08:12 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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