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Christian fundamentalists in France destroy "Piss Christ" artwork
DPA (via Monsters & Critics) ^ | 4/18/2011

Posted on 04/18/2011 8:27:59 AM PDT by markomalley

Paris - A group of Christian fundamentalists armed with hammers and screwdrivers destroyed two artworks in an exhibition in the southern French city of Avignon at the weekend, one of which depicted a crucifix immersed in urine, French media reported Monday.

The attack on the photographs of US artist Andres Serrano, which were being shown as part the I Believe in Miracles exhibition of contemporary art followed calls by the local Catholic archbishop for the 'Piss Christ' photograph to be taken down.

The photograph, taken by Serrano in 1987, shows a plastic crucifix wallowing in a glass of the artist's urine. The Christ figure appears to glow in the image, which caused a scandal when it was first exhibited in 1989 and which has since toured the world.

Civitas, a lobby group which says it aims to 're-Christianize France,' called the piece 'sacrilege vis-a-vis God and Catholics' and launched a petition for it to be removed from the exhibition at the residence housing the Yvon Lambert collection.

On Saturday a group of around 500 people shouting Christian slogans demonstrated outside the building, Liberation reported.

The following day four youths wearing sunglasses entered the building and surrounded two security guards stationed in front of the artwork, while others began hacking at it and another of Serrano's photographs, showing a nun meditating.

Culture Minister Frederic Mitterand denounced the incident as an 'attack on the freedom of creation.'

While 'recognizing that the (Piss Christ) artwork could shock certain audiences,' Mitterand said 'any act of violence, destruction and intolerance is unacceptable.'

The attack is not the first involving the artwork. A copy of Piss Christ was vandalized at the National Gallery of Victoria in the Australian city of Melbourne in 1997, during a Serrano retrospective.

The Melbourne gallery later cancelled the show.

Eric Mezil, the director of the Lambert collection, said he would leave the shattered artworks hanging so that the public could 'appreciate the barbarity committed by extremists.'


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Note: DPA, a German news agency, probably had another meaning for "fundamentalist" than what we Americans would call "fundamentalist."


1 posted on 04/18/2011 8:28:04 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

No one beheaded though?


2 posted on 04/18/2011 8:30:30 AM PDT by Y2Bogus
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To: Y2Bogus

Good for them.


3 posted on 04/18/2011 8:31:39 AM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: markomalley

good!


4 posted on 04/18/2011 8:31:44 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: markomalley

So they’ve taken a page out of the Muzzie playbook, eh? I’m sure they weren’t expecting passive Christians to do something like this.


5 posted on 04/18/2011 8:31:52 AM PDT by CASchack
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To: markomalley
Serrano produced quite a bit of inferior "art" ~ actually he produced a lot of drek.

There is no loss here. Besides, this is France ~ if somebody needs a replacement piece they've got a lot of that.

6 posted on 04/18/2011 8:33:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: markomalley

Sounds like they enhanced the exhibit.

They didn’t smash it, they ‘broke it down into its alloidal components to unlock the subtext of the piece’.

Give them a grant.


7 posted on 04/18/2011 8:34:14 AM PDT by agere_contra (As often as I look upon the cross, so often will I forgive with all my heart.)
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To: markomalley

I suppose the “artist” can always make another one


8 posted on 04/18/2011 8:34:28 AM PDT by bigbob (u)
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To: markomalley

Awesome !!


9 posted on 04/18/2011 8:34:52 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: markomalley

10 posted on 04/18/2011 8:35:14 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: markomalley

Finally! God Bless them for standing up for an important part of our civilization.


11 posted on 04/18/2011 8:41:54 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: markomalley

Good. We need these types of people for the Crusades.


12 posted on 04/18/2011 8:45:08 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: markomalley
Does the Catholic Church know that there are "chr*stian fundamentalists" in France?

The bishops and the avant garde art world need to forget their quarrel and join forces against this common enemy! [/sarcasm]

13 posted on 04/18/2011 8:45:34 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hachodesh hazeh lakhem ro'sh chodashim; ri'shon hu' lakhem lechodshey hashanah.)
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To: agere_contra
They didn’t smash it, they ‘broke it down into its alloidal components to unlock the subtext of the piece’.

LOL! A touch of the finest, ripest, academic art-babble...

14 posted on 04/18/2011 8:47:25 AM PDT by livius
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To: muawiyah

This has got to be the easiest piece of crap to reproduce (and I’m sure he will after crying on French tv for a week). He takes a pretty photo of Christ and dunks it in a toilet and then frames it. Ain’t exactly the Pieta.


15 posted on 04/18/2011 8:50:59 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (.)
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To: markomalley

So basically, they broke open the glass and let the piss spill out? Sounds like they knew their upcoming holiday, also known as Easter, pretty well. It’s about time someone liberated s symbol of Christ from the filth of this world.
Message to the museum: We’re still here, and we’re still kickin’.


16 posted on 04/18/2011 8:50:59 AM PDT by Morpheus2009 (I pity the fool - Mr. T)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
These "fundamentalists" may actually be Catholics. It's not clear from the article.
17 posted on 04/18/2011 8:57:31 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: agere_contra

I wonder if I could get a federal grant:

Making a picture of Mooochele out of feces(just like they did to the virgin mother)

Or a picture of O’bummer in a toilet with a turd?


18 posted on 04/18/2011 8:58:15 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: Campion; Zionist Conspirator
These "fundamentalists" may actually be Catholics. It's not clear from the article.

Here is the website of the group Civitas, mentioned in the article. I'll leave it to the reader to discern whether they are Catholic or not.

19 posted on 04/18/2011 9:01:52 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

Vive La France! Charles Martel would be proud.


20 posted on 04/18/2011 9:03:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: agere_contra

LOL! Perfect. I love it when people can throw the academic Left’s BS back in their face.


21 posted on 04/18/2011 9:04:43 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: markomalley
I'll leave it to the reader to discern whether they are Catholic or not.

The Civitas Institute is affiliated with the SSPX (Society of St. Pius X), so yes indeed they are traditional Catholics.

22 posted on 04/18/2011 9:07:00 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mj1234
Or a picture of O’bummer in a toilet with a turd?

Well, you teed the ball up and I can't resist:

How do you tell which is which?

That's PROFILING!

23 posted on 04/18/2011 9:07:53 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: markomalley

Here is the French website translated to English:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://www.civitas-institut.com/


24 posted on 04/18/2011 9:09:17 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: markomalley

I like this news. About time.


25 posted on 04/18/2011 9:14:26 AM PDT by my small voice
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To: Y2Bogus

Funnny how all these European countries with their “hate crimes” legislation apply rules differently, to different citizens.

Imagine a government-sponsored “Piss Mohammed” picture with Little Mo in the toilet.

Or just imagine this: 17 Afghans would still be alive if only Newsweek magazine had put that fictional Koran-in-the-Toilet story in its ARTS section. < /sarc >


26 posted on 04/18/2011 9:15:13 AM PDT by cookcounty (Eric Holder, Head of the Department of JUST-US.)
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To: mas cerveza por favor; markomalley
The Civitas Institute is affiliated with the SSPX (Society of St. Pius X), so yes indeed they are traditional Catholics.

On a related note, I have heard that, in France, more people attend SSPX Masses than all other Masses. Does anyone have links to the stats about that or know them off the top of their head?

27 posted on 04/18/2011 9:19:47 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: cookcounty
Funnny how all these European countries with their “hate crimes” legislation apply rules differently, to different citizens.

All "hate crimes" legislation is just a stalking horse for attacking (in this order):

  1. Christianity.
  2. Family values.
  3. Traditionally Christian ethnic groups.

28 posted on 04/18/2011 9:20:24 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Morpheus2009

The work of “art” was a picture of the crucifix in a jar of urine - the actual object itself was not on display and was AFAIK no longer in existence soon after the photo was taken.


29 posted on 04/18/2011 9:27:19 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Ole Okie

Well.. I guess I need another federal Grant to do an
in depth study

lol


30 posted on 04/18/2011 9:30:28 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: WPaCon
I have heard that, in France, more people attend SSPX Masses than all other Masses. Does anyone have links to the stats about that or know them off the top of their head?

I have heard that there are more French Catholics attending the Traditional Latin Mass than the New (post-Vatican II) Mass. The SSPX is the largest traditionalist group in France, but there are others such as the FSSP (Fraternal Society of St. Peter). The SSPX has good relations with Pope Benedict but is at odds with many of the liberal French bishops.

31 posted on 04/18/2011 9:36:29 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: markomalley
Not everything created by an artist or displayed in a museum is "art". The idea that the right to both define what is art and who is an artist belongs only to artists is a recent historical development, occasioned by the collapse of objective standards of value long championed by Progressive ideologues.

Further, the notion that the proper function of artistic expression is to shock, disorient, and deconstruct rather than to ennoble, explain and elevate is a product not of artistic aspiration, but of political theory.

I am not a great fan of anyone destroying anyone else's personal property for any reason (aside from what occurs during war waged against an aggressor). But in this instance, it is at least arguable that the object in question contains little or no intrinsic value, and further constitutes the expression of nothing more than "fighting words" - an intentional insult with no deeper meaning or purpose than what is obvious to an objective viewer.

32 posted on 04/18/2011 9:36:51 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: markomalley
Christian fundamentalists in France destroy "P*** Christ" artwork

Good job, I say, and way to show Christian restraint. If it had been "P*** Mohammed", jihad whack jobs would have beheaded everyone, burned the joint to the ground, and built a mosque over it.

33 posted on 04/18/2011 9:37:37 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: markomalley

:)


34 posted on 04/18/2011 9:41:58 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today:))
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To: markomalley

The so-called “intellectual elites” praise Serrano’s work and call it “art,” and then everyone wonders why a troubled young man can stand in front of a small crowd at a coffee shop in Bend Oregon for Open Mic Night and stab himself to death while the audience cheers the “performance art.” Only too late did they realize that they were actually witnessing a suicide. “Intellectualism” is in a very sad state, indeed.


35 posted on 04/18/2011 9:45:15 AM PDT by ponygirl
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To: ponygirl

Good.


36 posted on 04/18/2011 9:53:53 AM PDT by Robwin
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To: mas cerveza por favor

I’m not an SSPXer nor an expert on their relationship with the Church at the moment, but I have to admit, when I saw this headline, my first thought was that it was SSPXers who did this.


37 posted on 04/18/2011 9:59:51 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: CASchack

Just wait until they are arrested and charged for some crime against the arts...


38 posted on 04/18/2011 10:01:29 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: andy58-in-nh
The idea that the right to both define what is art and who is an artist belongs only to artists is a recent historical development, occasioned by the collapse of objective standards of value long championed by Progressive ideologues.

That "right" does not extend to artists who defy political correctness. The supposed new standards are a employed solely for the attack upon traditional Western values.

39 posted on 04/18/2011 10:07:36 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Campion; markomalley
These "fundamentalists" may actually be Catholics. It's not clear from the article.

But I thought Catholicism excluded any kind of "fundamentalism" at all. After all, "fundamentalists" are Catholics' favorite punching bag.

Obviously a bunch of Southern Baptists are sullying true chr*stianity's good, tolerant, relativist name!

40 posted on 04/18/2011 10:13:59 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hachodesh hazeh lakhem ro'sh chodashim; ri'shon hu' lakhem lechodshey hashanah.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Campion
I will repeat the comment I made in post #1:

Note: DPA, a German news agency, probably had another meaning for "fundamentalist" than what we Americans would call "fundamentalist."

41 posted on 04/18/2011 10:19:29 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

You are speaking from an American perspective. Traditional Catholics are often called “fundamentalist” in Europe, especially by liberal-modernist detractors. In America, traditionalists are sometimes pejoratively labeled “the Catholic Taliban.”


42 posted on 04/18/2011 10:20:45 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Campion; markomalley
Obviously a bunch of Southern Baptists are sullying true chr*stianity's good, tolerant, relativist name!

Are you suggesting that the Catholic Church is relativist? And here I thought BXVI was against the dictatorship of relatism...

43 posted on 04/18/2011 10:23:05 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: mas cerveza por favor

Thanks for the translation... twas... interesting.

*twirls mustachios*


44 posted on 04/18/2011 10:27:45 AM PDT by conservative_crusader (The voice of truth, tells me a different story. The voice of truth says do not be afraid.)
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To: WPaCon
Are you suggesting that the Catholic Church is relativist?

Any liberal of whatever confession is a relativists, but Pope St. Pius X infallibly (and therefore irreversibly) defined liberalism as a sin.

45 posted on 04/18/2011 10:29:37 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor
That "right" does not extend to artists who defy political correctness. The supposed new standards are a employed solely for the attack upon traditional Western values

So, what the culturati do is to deny the status of "artist" to anyone who refuses to pimp for the Progressive Goddess or otherwise make their work serve political ends. Those who insist on creating media whose explicit qualities reflect upon reality or essential truth - are treated as heretics or worse- no matter how beautiful their use of form, imagery, color, light or texture. To the contrary: their preference is for the ugly and the obscene, the dissonant and the discordant, offered not as a celebration of Man, but as an affront to the reasoning mind that God gave him.

46 posted on 04/18/2011 10:30:21 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: markomalley

Not destroyed.

Deconstructed.


47 posted on 04/18/2011 10:35:44 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

They could argue that it’s not vandalism at all. It’s just performance art.


48 posted on 04/18/2011 10:41:45 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: livius

How about, “They ‘deconstructed’ it.”


49 posted on 04/18/2011 11:12:26 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: markomalley

Bien. Bien. Merci.


50 posted on 04/18/2011 11:19:01 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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