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Madonna 'ditches Kabbalah for Opus Dei'
UK Daily Mirror ^ | April 11 2011 | Tom Bryant

Posted on 04/19/2011 10:22:26 PM PDT by malkee

FOR the past 15 years, she has been Kabbalah’s most high profile and dedicated follower. But now Madonna has apparently ditched the controversial faith and taken up with Opus Dei – the secretive Catholic sect made famous in The Da Vinci Code. The singer is said to be intrigued by the organisation and spent Friday with priests from the centre’s London HQ. The move follows her alleged falling out with some Kabbalah leaders after reports that cash raised for her Malawi charity was squandered. Last night a source claimed: “She has invested so much into Kabbalah so she was devastated by these damning accusations. “She has started exploring different religions. Madonna has always been intrigued by Opus Dei. As yet, she’s not a fully paid-up member – she’s just had informal chats.”

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Judaism; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: brahimzaibat; kaballah; kabbalah; madonna; opusdei; romancatholicism; thedavincicode; zohar
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Can't believe FR missed this one. I always said Madonna would return to the Catholic faith before it was all said and done. We'll see.
1 posted on 04/19/2011 10:22:30 PM PDT by malkee
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To: malkee

Wouldn’t it be something if she renounced her former life and devoted herself to the Church...that would blow some minds.


2 posted on 04/19/2011 10:24:59 PM PDT by balch3
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To: malkee

Sounds like all the wrong motivations.


3 posted on 04/19/2011 10:25:56 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: malkee

when she joins the Westboro Baptists, that’ll be news...


4 posted on 04/19/2011 10:27:37 PM PDT by bigbob (u)
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To: bigbob

She’ll be a Scientologist when it’s all said and done.


5 posted on 04/19/2011 10:28:56 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: malkee

How much do I have to pay to be a believer? Bills, bills, bills.


6 posted on 04/19/2011 10:34:18 PM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: dfwgator

I thought the Kaballah was somehow related to Scientology


7 posted on 04/19/2011 10:35:00 PM PDT by malkee (Actually I'm an ex-smoker--more than four years now-- But I think about it every day.)
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To: malkee
The extremely affluent and the extremely impoverished are same.

Neither has ability to adhere to coherent value system based on reason.

Both act out of momentary necessity.

8 posted on 04/19/2011 10:35:00 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: malkee

Does she realize Opus Dei is very conservative?


9 posted on 04/19/2011 10:35:00 PM PDT by ABQHispConservative (Oh hell no to islamic law. This is a Christian nation!)
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To: dfwgator

I thought the Kaballah was somehow related to Scientology


10 posted on 04/19/2011 10:35:00 PM PDT by malkee (Actually I'm an ex-smoker--more than four years now-- But I think about it every day.)
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To: dfwgator

I thought the Kaballah was somehow related to Scientology


11 posted on 04/19/2011 10:35:05 PM PDT by malkee (Actually I'm an ex-smoker--more than four years now-- But I think about it every day.)
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To: malkee

She’s hopping from one cult to the next because there isn’t a single man she hasn’t screwed yet. Either that or there aren’t any left who would want to. Either way, as talentless whores go, she’s now a bag lady.


12 posted on 04/19/2011 10:52:06 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: malkee

Kaballah is Jewish mysticism. Not sure what the Hollywood version was but sure it was b.s. There were stories on it being a money racket five years ago.

Scientology is unrelated. L. Ron Hubbard, the science fiction writer, started his own religion. E-Meters and Xenu. Paul Haggis wrote an article bashing it a couple months ago. He was upset it regards homosexuality is a mental illness as his daughters are gay. Plus he won his Oscar and didn’t need it for the business connections.

Agee. By age 75 Madonna will be going to Catholic mass and repenting of her wild past.


13 posted on 04/19/2011 10:52:24 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: malkee
Madonna needs to free the two slaves she bought from Africa and return them to their families.
14 posted on 04/19/2011 11:05:41 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Whether they want to admit it or not, everyone knows Obama is hiding his bc.)
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To: malkee

Well, the problem is most of us Catholics don’t really want her. I know, I know, God forgives sinners, even the worst and her forgiveness is between her and God. However, the RCIA needs to be done for her again and also, she’s way too flighty on religious matters for me to welcome a repentant person. But, then I would have been among those doubting Alice Cooper when he became Christian and look at him now (ok, don’t look, but read about his Christian life!)


15 posted on 04/19/2011 11:08:53 PM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: malkee

Can’t believe FR missed this one. I always said Madonna would return to the Catholic faith before it was all said and done. We’ll see. “ ==================

Wouldn’t that be something if she did. I deplore much of her behavior, of course, but have always felt sorry for her.
Lost can not be a good place to be no matter her incredible wealth. Opus Dei is quite a swing to a modest lifestyle and behavior.


16 posted on 04/19/2011 11:09:39 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: mmercier
I disagree with the statement about the extremely impoverished. I've been to India and seen the extremely poverished (and American poverty does not compare to the lives of the lowest of the low in the interior villages of india where no electricity or modern life intrudes, where the family of 7 lives in rags and has done so for generations and has no education at all and hunts and eats rats) -- and those poor, denied education of any kind, still have reason, religious reason and can still pray and choose God, choose Christ.

Dear sir, I respectfully say that you perjure the extremely impoverished by comparing them to the like of Madonna. The rich who have lost their sense of "grounding" are like butterflies who have everything and yet nothing.

17 posted on 04/19/2011 11:14:32 PM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: malkee
Never happen.

One cannot be loved by the world and love GOD at the same time.

She can only server one master.

18 posted on 04/19/2011 11:37:42 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: TigerClaws

Hollywood resident here, and I could tell you right now that almost every WHITE person in the city is a Scientologist. I was invited to the Sunset Blvd “church” on the Saturday “mass” and there it was. Then another guy told me weeks later it is because if you are a minority, you will join up with the same kind. I guess it’s true..L.A. is pretty much Tijuana in the most parts.


19 posted on 04/19/2011 11:39:27 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: ABQHispConservative

>Does she realize Opus Dei is very conservative?

Nah, probably learned about Opus Dei from the da Vinci Code movie.


20 posted on 04/19/2011 11:40:38 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: malkee

Opus Dei? Secret?

LOL


21 posted on 04/20/2011 12:42:11 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Cronos; TheOldLady

“But, then I would have been among those doubting Alice Cooper when he became Christian and look at him now (ok, don’t look, but read about his Christian life!)”

God judges the inward man.
What’s the problem with his “outwards”?
He’s perfectly nice to look at.


22 posted on 04/20/2011 12:55:28 AM PDT by Salamander (Insolence.....I has it.)
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To: Cronos

I see Madonna as another Ann Rice and we all know how long that reversion lasted.


23 posted on 04/20/2011 1:19:12 AM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: malkee

It can’t be too secretive...I get daily messages and ponderings from Opus Dei in my email.

She can return to the Catholic faith if she wants to, but because she is divorced, she cannot be given Absolution or take part in any Sacraments without approval from the Church.

A friend of mine wanted to go back to the Church and she was divorced and remarried and was told it would take her years to get approval from the Bishop and because her current husband is not a Catholic, she may not get approval anyway...


24 posted on 04/20/2011 1:44:24 AM PDT by CT Hillbilly (My karma ran over my dogma)
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To: malkee

She’s searching.

“If with all your heart you truly seek Me, you shall find Me.”

Problem is, is she really being honest with herself?. IMHO, she is really desirous of finding Him, but being a Christian demands we become humble fools for God. That’s so un PC. She seems to want to work her way to God, on her own terms.

I’d love to see her find Christ. She wants to be on fire for a belief; would’t it be great for her to find a REAL faith.


25 posted on 04/20/2011 1:49:38 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Salamander; TheOldLady
Exactly -- God judges the inward man or woman. But that's God, I'm not quite so forgiving of Madonni's antics! but that's just my personal opinion
26 posted on 04/20/2011 1:52:57 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: malkee
She's likely going to Opes Dei because it's Spanish. She has a great attraction to Miami Cubans and Cuban culture. Likely some Cuban friend's parents steered her toward Opes Dei.

As far as “talks”, it's quite simple, she has to abandon her old ways, sins of the flesh (heterosexual & aberrosexual). She's never been married in the Church (that I know of), therefore that obstacle does not exist).

She has enough money that she can abandon the whole music scene. Of what I saw of her doing for entertainment in Miami (I would see her here and there during the daylight hours boating and jogging and such) she's not a big spender.

So, anything is possible.

27 posted on 04/20/2011 1:56:00 AM PDT by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: Cronos
Well, the problem is most of us Catholics don’t really want her.

As a Protestant, I would feel the same way. This woman just makes a mockery out of everything she touches.

28 posted on 04/20/2011 2:04:38 AM PDT by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: LowOiL

I think the only good thing one can say about Maddie is that she’s not Lady Googoo ;-:


29 posted on 04/20/2011 2:10:24 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: malkee

I do hope it is for sincere reasons though, such as truly wanting to have a deep, full faith.


30 posted on 04/20/2011 2:56:40 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: malkee

I think Kaballah has something to do with very mystical form of Judism? Bear with me, I have just gotten up, need plenty of coffee.


31 posted on 04/20/2011 2:58:50 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: Cronos

God can and does change people. For Madonna, as you said, would have to go through what is left of RCIA, and that takes about at least a year process, besides the life-long discernment as well. In my parish, 3 canidiates are coming into or being recieved into the Church Holy Saturday night.


32 posted on 04/20/2011 3:06:36 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: Cronos

Madonna’s scroungy inside and out.

Can’t say I’ve got much of a positive opinion of her at all, can I?

:)


33 posted on 04/20/2011 3:22:21 AM PDT by Salamander (Insolence.....I has it.)
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To: malkee

Whogives a red rats patoot what the garbage woman believes.

She is mentally ill anyway.


34 posted on 04/20/2011 4:04:10 AM PDT by Venturer
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re: Well, the problem is most of us Catholics don’t really want her

1)You are not a Roman Catholic why do you persist in this lie?

2) This Catholic would welcome any truly repentant sinner. Mary Magdalene was a whore possessed by seven devils, and she became a braver Catholic than all the apostles (prior to Pentecost). Usually it is the repentant worst sinners that make the most steadfast Catholics.

35 posted on 04/20/2011 5:39:54 AM PDT by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: Biggirl
Madonna is a baptized Catholic, she does not have to go through RCIA. She can just go to confession and then she can go to communion. Millions of Catholics do it every year.

I knew an old pastor that had excellent catechists teaching the faith from his own curricula, not the RCIA template. He was replaced by the bishop, and all the catechists were removed and replaced by people who didn't even qualify as average students. The RCIA is a joke. Better to learn on your own with someone who really knows the faith.

36 posted on 04/20/2011 5:48:57 AM PDT by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: Biggirl

Sigh... bg, here’s one poser I ignore. Any guy who wants to pretend to be traditional Catholic yet doesn’t know that Maronites, Syro-Malabars are Catholic rites, who calls the Church the RCC, who exclusively posts diatribes against Catholics, well.. I waste no time on him. I’d advise you to do the same. Perhaps the troll will go away if ignored by all.


37 posted on 04/20/2011 5:53:23 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: malkee

Madonna is involved with a specific cult, the KABBALAH CENTRE run by the Berg family. It is universally denounced by anyone who knows anything about actual Kabbalah, which is mystical knowledge of Judaism.

http://www.kabbalaonline.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380617/jewish/Kabbalah-A-Brief-Definition.htm

Kabbala is an ancient Jewish tradition integral to the Torah
Kabbalah: A Brief Definition

By Baruch Emanuel Erdstein

Often referred to as the “soul” of the Torah, the Kabbalah is an ancient Jewish tradition which teaches the deepest insights into the essence of G-d, His interaction with the world, and the purpose of Creation.

Kabbalah teaches the essential Jewish cosmology, integral to all other Torah disciplines. Sometimes called “the Inner Torah” or the “Wisdom of Truth”, it offers a comprehensive overall structure and plan for the universe, as well as a detailed understanding of the particulars of our lives.

The student of Kabbalah is made aware of the personal as well as the collective rectification process and is encouraged to play an active part in it.


38 posted on 04/20/2011 5:55:03 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Cronos

.....Tell me, I just read the posts, that is it. I am in overdrive myself right now, busy week, singing next few days, plus being in living stations of the cross. Busy, busy.


39 posted on 04/20/2011 5:59:29 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: malkee
The singer is said to be intrigued by the organisation and spent Friday with priests from the centre’s London HQ.

Who doubtlessly told her:

  1. Repent of the sins of your past life, and resolve not to continue in them
  2. Regularize your marital situation in the eyes of the church
  3. Make a good confession, and continue to do so on a regular basis
  4. Devoutly attend Holy Mass at least weekly
  5. Develop a "plan of life" involving a regular pattern of daily prayer and spiritual reading
Let's see what she does with that.
40 posted on 04/20/2011 6:01:12 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: CT Hillbilly

It’s not the divorce that is the problem, it is the remarriage.


41 posted on 04/20/2011 6:06:14 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: steve86
Sounds like all the wrong motivations.

Her only motivation is publicity. I suggest she try Gnosticism myself.

42 posted on 04/20/2011 6:09:01 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: CT Hillbilly

“She can return to the Catholic faith if she wants to, but because she is divorced, she cannot be given Absolution or take part in any Sacraments without approval from the Church.

A friend of mine wanted to go back to the Church and she was divorced and remarried and was told it would take her years to get approval from the Bishop and because her current husband is not a Catholic, she may not get approval anyway...”

Two different issues here. Divorce does not keep you from the sacraments.

Divorce and remarriage (outside the church and with no annulment) will.


43 posted on 04/20/2011 6:13:02 AM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore
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To: Cronos; Biggirl

I have said that I’m a Roman Catholic, yet you accuse me now of not being one. Yet, you have NEVER, responded to anyone that asked you if you are a Roman Catholic, a member of the Catholic Church of Rome. Maronites, Melkites, ruthenians are all members of the Roman Catholic Church. You are not. Stop your farce, it’s a big lie.


44 posted on 04/20/2011 7:19:04 AM PDT by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: malkee

Madonna is the perfect example of the saying, “Our hearts are restless, Lord, until we rest in Thee”


45 posted on 04/20/2011 7:27:48 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: verdugo

Verdugo:

You consistently elevate your opinions to a status of infallibility. You are wrong and Cronos is “Dead On.” Each ritual Church is more formally “sui juris” Church, which means “its own laws”. Thus the Maronite Catholic Church is a “sui juris” Church that uses the Liturgical Rite that developed from the Tradition of Antioch [which along with Rome and Alexandria, are the 3 major sources of all the Liturgical Families found in the Catholic Church; and Alexandria and Antioch are also the source of the all Liturgies in the Eastern Orthodox Church]. The Maronite Catholic Church, just like the Ukranian Catholic Church, as a “sui Juris” Church has in addition to its own Liturgical Tradition [which is not Roman in the sense directly from Rome], has its own Code of Canon law and its own Hierarachy and governance usually under the leadership of a Patriarch or Metropolitan who and is in Communion with the Church of Rome in that those Churches recogize the Bishop of Rome has having the Primacy by virtue of its connection to the St. Peter, first among the Apostles.

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/catholic_rites_and_churches.htm


46 posted on 04/20/2011 7:49:57 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564

I think there is another city which also became a city of origin for the Eastern rites, or is it just 3? I was thinking of the city that is now Istanbul, for the origins of those Eastern rites that went to what is now Eastern Europe. Any corrections welcome. THANKS!


47 posted on 04/20/2011 7:54:52 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: SuziQ

That is why we pray for them bigtime at this time of the year.


48 posted on 04/20/2011 7:59:12 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: CTrent1564

Constantinople, which made the Ukraine and Byzentine rites possible.


49 posted on 04/20/2011 8:03:43 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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To: Cronos

I just simply ignore the faith trolls, not worth my time anyways.


50 posted on 04/20/2011 8:11:48 AM PDT by Biggirl ("The Best Of Times, The Worse Of Times", Charles Dickens)
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