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Beware: Hell exists
The Washington Times ^ | The Washington Times | Janice Shaw Crouse

Posted on 04/20/2011 4:25:47 AM PDT by Scanian

Just as President Obama wants to change what it means to be American, controversial author Rob Bell wants to change what it means to be Christian. The cover story for the Easter Week edition of Time magazine is about Mr. Bell’s book, “Love Wins.” Mr. Bell, perhaps the most widely known of a group of young, supposedly evangelical writers who emphasize love and dismiss the traditional view of judgment/retribution (referred to in Christian circles as “hell) has prompted nationwide discussions about the very meaning of Christianity.

Chris Matthews devoted a segment of his Palm Sunday show to a discussion of the issue with four non-theologian journalists/writers. Mr. Matthews asked if Mr. Bell’s theories weren’t necessary in light of the decline in church membership enabling ministers to cash in on today’s “you deserve it” attitudes. Andrew Sullivan agreed with Mr. Bell and explained, “Hell is simply the refusal to accept the love of God, and heaven is the ability to open your heart to God and let His love in.” Norah O'Donnell, though, thought the concept of hell helped keep us “on the straight and narrow.”

While most commentators freely shared their ignorance of basic Christian teaching without any inhibition, the Time magazine cover story (written by Jon Meacham, formerly of Newsweek magazine and a theology student in his undergraduate days) acknowledges from the outset that Mr. Bell’s views contradict traditional Christianity. Others are not as aware of what is at stake in Mr. Bell’s “soft” rhetoric about “love.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: christianity; death; easterweek; emergent; heaven; hell; palmsunday; resurrection; robbell; sin; spong2

1 posted on 04/20/2011 4:25:51 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

“Hell is simply the refusal to accept the love of God,”

Well,Hell...


2 posted on 04/20/2011 4:43:13 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: Scanian

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Hell+Is+Real&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

and the WINNER:

http://www.av1611.org/hell.html


3 posted on 04/20/2011 4:49:50 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: Scanian

“I’ve decided to make up a new definition of Hell. You see, it’s like this....”


4 posted on 04/20/2011 4:52:30 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: BigCinBigD

Several of the people who deny the existence of Hell are obviously Acolytes of the Anti-christ ~ probably best to not get to deep into the feather bed with those guys.


5 posted on 04/20/2011 4:58:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

when I die i’ll go to heaven, ‘cuz i’ve spent my time in hell, USS Forrestal, CV 59....


6 posted on 04/20/2011 5:04:28 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Scanian

If we are all going to heaven, why did Jesus have to die?


7 posted on 04/20/2011 5:05:06 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Scanian
How can a loving God send people to hell? A common question, but there are two big misconceptions within that question:

1. God does not "send" people to hell. He simply honors their choice.

2. God does not send "people" to hell. People do not go to hell, sinners do.

So, back to the question: How can a loving God send people to hell? He doesn't. He simply honors the choice of sinners.

8 posted on 04/20/2011 5:05:10 AM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper! We still love you!)
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To: Scanian
Matthew 7:20-24

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

9 posted on 04/20/2011 5:05:29 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Scanian
How can a loving God send people to hell? A common question, but there are two big misconceptions within that question:

1. God does not "send" people to hell. He simply honors their choice.

2. God does not send "people" to hell. People do not go to hell, sinners do.

So, back to the question: How can a loving God send people to hell? He doesn't. He simply honors the choice of sinners.

10 posted on 04/20/2011 5:07:04 AM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper! We still love you!)
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To: muawiyah

Okay...


11 posted on 04/20/2011 5:16:48 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: Raycpa

Because Pontius Pilate was a ahole?


12 posted on 04/20/2011 5:18:46 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: DJ MacWoW
There you go again, using God's word as the authority about his creation. The Rob Bells and John Shelby Spongs of the world prefer a different source.

If there's a rock and roll heaven, well you know they've got a hell of a band.

Plays well with their hedonist constituency...who want indulgences, not sanctification.

13 posted on 04/20/2011 5:20:48 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: CanaGuy

“Hell” and being with the “god of this world”(Satan) is simply man’s natural condition.


14 posted on 04/20/2011 5:29:21 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: MrEdd
Yep. I'm like that!

This reminds of the Petra song "Angel of Light".

You got the clergy working overtime to widen the narrow way
You've got politicians everywhere listening to what you say
You've got false apostles teaching lies perverting the only way
You've got principalities and powers waiting to obey
You've got philosophies and vain deceits lying to deceive
You've got hate, and greed, ungodly lusts in the deadly web you weave

15 posted on 04/20/2011 5:37:41 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: BigCinBigD

Jesus chose the cross, God planned it that way. Pilate was not consulted. God does not need man to accomplish His will. Why did God set the universe in motion that culminated in the death of His son?

If there is no hell (which Jesus spoke of often by the way), why did Jesus have to die?


16 posted on 04/20/2011 5:45:35 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Scanian

What is the most important idea that Satan could spread to mankind?

That he and his minions don’t exist!

Credit C.S. Lewis “Screwtape Letters”


17 posted on 04/20/2011 5:55:09 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: BigCinBigD

Hebrews 10:29-31
(29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
(30) For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
(31) It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Psalms chapter Two: “Kiss the Son”
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
(Psalms 2:1-12)


18 posted on 04/20/2011 6:00:23 AM PDT by hfr (Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little.)
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To: Scanian
This article reminds me of having Hissy Matthews interviewing Job's three good buddies. That is before Job 38 when the Heavenly Father got Job's attention. 38:2 “Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 3 Gird up now thy loins like a man’ for I will demand of thee, and answer thou Me.....
19 posted on 04/20/2011 6:07:56 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Raycpa

Did he?


20 posted on 04/20/2011 6:20:28 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: Scanian

Bob Bell 100% “Emerging Churchy” Think a Michagan “Rick Warren”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Bell


21 posted on 04/20/2011 6:48:56 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: BigCinBigD

Of course he did.


22 posted on 04/20/2011 7:19:11 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Scanian; All
Is it necessary to believe in hell in order to avoid it?

Do Christians believe not only that hell exists, but that it is necessary?

Will those in heaven feel pity for their friends and loved ones in hell?

23 posted on 04/20/2011 7:38:44 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Birth Certificate Derangement Syndrome - have you been tested??)
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To: Notary Sojac

My Baptist position, which some would consider extreme, is that “Hell” is the human’s natural condition and that the “god of this world,” Satan, is its ruler.

To avoid it? Well, the New Testament teaches that Jesus preached that “No man cometh unto the Father but by me.” That means that faith in Christ is the key to avoiding Hell and spending eternity with God the Father. Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross paid the price for us, if we will only accept His gift.

As for those who never heard of Jesus or do not “get” His message, the Lord may not necessarily shut that person out. The psalmist wrote that “The Lord has compassion on ALL he has made.”


24 posted on 04/20/2011 1:38:10 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

I live in california...


25 posted on 04/20/2011 1:40:02 PM PDT by steveo (PETO-VT-IN-MARI-SVB-CRVCE-AVSTRALI-SEPELIAR)
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To: Scanian
You really didn't answer any of my questions. I'm really interested in the third question.

Will those in heaven feel pity for their friends and loved ones in hell?

You see, I have listened to and read Christian apologeticists for over three decades. Many of their arguments are thoughtful and almost convincing to me.

But the wall that separates me from Christianity is the fact that if that faith is true, both my loving agnostic parents are at this moment suffering infinite agonies.

And those agonies are eternal.

I do not desire the love of a God whose response to honest doubt is unceasing, unrelenting punishment.

26 posted on 04/20/2011 2:41:52 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (Birth Certificate Derangement Syndrome - have you been tested??)
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To: Notary Sojac

I really don’t have an answer on that one. I’ve never read anything on the subject, sadly.

Do a vanity in the “Religion” section. If there is an answer to your question, some member of the outstanding FR roster will provide it for you.


27 posted on 04/20/2011 2:45:35 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: Notary Sojac
Many of their arguments are thoughtful and almost convincing to me.

We are all accountable to God. Your parents may be less accountable than you because you have heard and understand the word. You have rejected Christ. They may simply have been ignorant.

28 posted on 04/20/2011 2:59:48 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: G Larry

Spot on from Lewis. Thanks for posting that.


29 posted on 04/20/2011 6:50:22 PM PDT by prairiebreeze ("We need to be in it to win it, and if there's doubt we need to get out". -- Palin on Libya.)
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To: Notary Sojac

I’ll see your “honest doubt” and raise you “honest faith”.

May I try to address your question?

First of all, God is absolutely perfect. He is without any blemish or defect. He is holy, perfect in His goodness and righteousness. He is the purest peace and the Trinity is perfect relationship and perfect oneness. He wants and has always wanted a perfect relationship with us. It’s us who embraced sin and messed it up for ourselves.

And God abhors sin.

There is and can be no place for sin anywhere near God because of his holiness, so when sin enters the picture there can be no closeness, no proximity of the sinner to God. Thankfully, he provided a way for us to regain that closeness, proximity and relationship even through we are sinners. By coming HIMSELF to make amends for us.

Ask yourself this. If you were a parent of say, 2 or 3 children and because you are a sinner a judge pronounced judgement on you for your sins and faults by saying all could be square again but you must chose one child to sacrifice, but that’s the deal take it or leave it. Would you choose one of your children.....not likely. Most parents would offer themselves up to save their children and this is precisely what God has done through Jesus. Immanuel...God among us.

And it’s us that demanded free-choice from God, we demanded our independence yet then we get angry with the God who loves us enough to give it to us. God doesn’t want to see any one of his people not able to be in relationship to him. Yet, he does and will respect our choice about the matter.

Is there a lake of fire? I don’t know. But if eternity means being separated from God, ....I believe there may as well be.

I understand your concerns about your parents, I have the same concern about my father and can only hope that he was wise enough before his death to come to Christ. It gets harder all the time to see friends and loved ones die and not know.

Take care.


30 posted on 04/21/2011 9:44:45 AM PDT by prairiebreeze ("We need to be in it to win it, and if there's doubt we need to get out". -- Palin on Libya.)
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