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Local group of Catholics take stand against sex abuse
WAVE ^ | Apr 22, 2011

Posted on 04/22/2011 2:18:48 PM PDT by Gamecock

LOUISVILLE, KY (WAVE) – A local group is taking a stand against sex abuse in the Catholic Church. Concerned Catholics who want to restore integrity say they are appalled the church has not taken more of a proactive approach.

"We've got this black eye because a priest gets convicted or accused of abusing a child," a concerned catholic, Nick Pfeiffer, said. "The archdiocese finds out about it and moves the priest around."

The group says Catholic churches do many great things in the community and they just want the Archdiocese to fight to keep children safe in the church.


TOPICS: Current Events
KEYWORDS: priest

1 posted on 04/22/2011 2:18:54 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; metmom; HarleyD; Dr. Scarpetta; Alex Murphy

In related news, FRoman Catholics continue to blame homosexuality, the actual victims and the culture for this scandal; everyone/thing/body but the Catholic Church that is...


2 posted on 04/22/2011 2:24:00 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Gamecock
We've got this black eye because a priest gets convicted or accused of abusing a child,"

And let's not forget the harm done to children. < eyes rolling>

3 posted on 04/22/2011 2:25:48 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Gamecock
"We've got this black eye because a priest gets convicted or accused of abusing a child," a concerned catholic, Nick Pfeiffer, said. "The archdiocese finds out about it and moves the priest around."

And this has happened how many times in the archdiocese since January, 2002?

The article doesn't give any concrete information about when this happened, or WRT whom. None.

If a convicted child molester is still in active ministry in Louisville, much less being "moved around," the archbishop needs to resign. If it happened in 1995, it was long before he got there and isn't his fault. Accused molesters shouldn't be in active ministry, either.

4 posted on 04/22/2011 2:33:47 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Gamecock

The “concerned catholic” makes a good point, he wants his children to be safe from those who promised to protect them.

The victims are abused over and again, first by the assault on their person, then the assault on their faith, next by being blamed for the assaults and finally by having to pay for the wrongs done them out of their donations!


5 posted on 04/22/2011 2:37:37 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Gamecock
The current archbishop of Louisville took office in 2007.

The two most significant sets of abuse cases seem to involve a molester named Clark, who was removed from ministry in 1988, and a molester named Miller. Miller's abuse seemed to occur mostly in the 1970's, but he was not removed from ministry until relatively recently. I don't have a date, but it was under the previous archbishop, Kelly, not the current one, Kurtz.

Still waiting for any abusers currently in active ministry who have just been "moved around" by the current archbishop.

6 posted on 04/22/2011 2:45:46 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Gamecock
I once believed that only Catholics committed sexual crimes against children, then I found this. Shocking.
7 posted on 04/22/2011 2:52:28 PM PDT by keat
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To: Gamecock

Most of the abuses happened 20 or 30 years ago.

This “concerned Catholic,” Nick Pfeiffer, is the son of Cal Pfeiffer, who has apparently made a profession out of this. As he mentions in another article, it has cost the diocese something like $90 million in lawsuits. I don’t know if these guys are ambulance chasers or working with ambulance chasers, but this appears to be a new “group” formed in support of a notorious older group called SNAP.

Here’s an extract from the other article:


LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — A new clergy abuse support group in Louisville says it wants to give guidance to sexual abuse victims and urge Catholic laity to demand more openness from church leaders.

The group, Protect the Children, held a news conference Thursday with victims and other activists who have organized past protests against the church. Leaders say they want to raise money to support new victims who come forward and to protect priests who may jeopardize their standing in the church by providing information.

“We want to start a new movement and bring people in that are Catholic, that are frustrated with the church,” said Nick Pfeiffer, who helped start the group. “We don’t want to sue, we’re not here for money, we want to fix the problem for good.”

Pfeiffer’s father, Cal Pfeiffer, is also a member of the new group and he has been active for years as part of the Louisville chapter of Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, or SNAP.


Yes, there were abuses. And they have been corrected. And they have been paid for, and paid for, and paid for, through the efforts of guys like this who have made it a lifetime profession. Indeed, apparently, a two lifetimes’ profession.


8 posted on 04/22/2011 2:57:50 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: Cicero

And now, as he says, they want to raise money to bring lawsuits to raise more money. Yeah, sure, completely disinterested.


9 posted on 04/22/2011 2:59:40 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: Gamecock

No respect for Good Friday from the dark side crew. I shouldn’t be surprised.


10 posted on 04/22/2011 3:12:15 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: count-your-change

“The victims are abused over and again, first by the assault on their person, then the assault on their faith, next by being blamed for the assaults and finally by having to pay for the wrongs done them out of their donations!”

Thank you for saying that.


11 posted on 04/22/2011 3:12:15 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: buccaneer81

Yep.

Satan thought he had his greatest victory on Good Friday. Some here like to keep in his tradition.

I’m not arguing with them today.


12 posted on 04/22/2011 3:28:09 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: WPaCon

Agreed.


13 posted on 04/22/2011 3:31:41 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

They hate us will always hate us and would urinate on us if we were on fire.


14 posted on 04/22/2011 3:35:32 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Campion

Agreed.

How many times has it happened in the Roman Catholic Church world wide would have been a better question!


15 posted on 04/22/2011 3:38:09 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: buccaneer81

***No respect for Good Friday from the dark side crew. I shouldn’t be surprised.***

Thanks for validating my thread. How does speaking up against the raping of children equal lack of respect for Good Friday. Only in the Catholic mind does standing is for right synonymous with disrespect... < eyes rolling>


16 posted on 04/22/2011 3:42:02 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Gamecock

“We’ve got this black eye because a priest gets convicted or accused of abusing a child,” a concerned catholic, Nick Pfeiffer, said. “The archdiocese finds out about it and moves the priest around.”

What? How often did any bishop move around CONVICTED sex offenders?


17 posted on 04/22/2011 3:43:22 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: count-your-change

You wrote:

“The victims are abused over and again, first by the assault on their person, then the assault on their faith,”

No one is assaulting their faith.

” next by being blamed for the assaults”

When has that EVER happened on the part of the Church?

“and finally by having to pay for the wrongs done them out of their donations!”

Except that isn’t what has been done. Insurance pay outs are not really from your donations. Donations go to the parish overwhelmingly and not the diocese nor the insurance company.


18 posted on 04/22/2011 3:46:29 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: Gamecock

You wrote:

“How does speaking up against the raping of children equal lack of respect for Good Friday.”

No Catholic here believes you’re “speaking up against the raping of children”. With your past history of hatred here there’s simply no way you can pass off what you do as an act of love for Catholics in general or concern for children specifically. If “you will know them by their love”, then we know you by your hate.


19 posted on 04/22/2011 3:49:45 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: Gamecock
I once believed that only Catholics committed sexual crimes against children, then I found this. Shocking.
20 posted on 04/22/2011 3:59:36 PM PDT by keat
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To: vladimir998

It isn’t worth responding to the disingenuous claptrap of a
creep pretending to “care” about Catholic children while the only thing evident is the attempt to scrape a sore raw on Good Friday.

Nice.


21 posted on 04/22/2011 4:16:43 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: vladimir998

Just for the heck of it I entered “Teachers arrested for sexual abuse” into Google. I got a great many hits, most rather current.

I am surprised that according to many sexual abuse only happens amongst Catholic clergy. Sexual abuse by anyone is wrong, wrong, wrong and indefensible. So if the concern is over the abuse you would expect to see articles covering abuse no matter who the abusers were or are.

But the concern seems to be focused on the Catholic clergy and the Church. I have to conclude the fact it is Catholic clergy matters more than the abuse itself to some people.

What does this say about really caring about the victims?


22 posted on 04/22/2011 4:26:48 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Campion

But the article DOES give concrete information that there are actually Catholics who recognize the problem and insist that something be done about it.

That puts them at a level much higher than your average FRoman (and non-Latin rite) Catholic.


23 posted on 04/22/2011 4:47:52 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Gamecock

Sure seems that way.


24 posted on 04/22/2011 4:50:47 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: WPaCon
Satan thought he had his greatest victory on Good Friday. Some here like to keep in his tradition.

Not much different than those who would use the death of our Lord to manipulate the behavior of others.

25 posted on 04/22/2011 4:51:16 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: WPaCon
Satan thought he had his greatest victory on Good Friday. Some here like to keep in his tradition.

Not much different than those who would use the death of our Lord to manipulate the behavior of others.

26 posted on 04/22/2011 4:51:40 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Have a good Good Friday, too.


27 posted on 04/22/2011 5:22:23 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: vladimir998
suggest you acquaint yourself with the facts then come back.
28 posted on 04/22/2011 6:46:58 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: keat

Glad your eyes were opened.

The difference here, and the point of this story is that Catholic Priests who raped children were simply moved to another unsuspecting diocese.

99.8% of Evangelical/Protestant ministers who were caught had their ordinations removed and turned over to the proper authorities.


29 posted on 04/22/2011 6:55:50 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Gamecock

I just watched “The Passion of the Christ,” and saw Jesus pretty much shredded to death. It was an amazingly well-done film (my first viewing), and a positive way to spend “Good Friday.” Have you seen the movie?


30 posted on 04/22/2011 7:49:56 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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mlizzy, I saw your post and had to jump in to add my agreement. I watched it for the first time last year or the year before (also on Good Friday), and I absolutely cried my guts out. The pain was almost unbearable. I think all Christians would do well to watch it, today or any day. It powerfully brings home the brutal reality of what He did for us, what He suffered for us ... and how very much He loves us.

Incredible, amazing, unimaginable love.

31 posted on 04/22/2011 8:03:59 PM PDT by annie laurie (All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost)
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To: Gamecock

“The Archdiocese of Louisville was especially hard hit by the sexual-abuse scandal that exploded worldwide in 2002 and 2003.

The archdiocese paid nearly $30 million in settlements and other costs after more than 250 people brought claims either in court or directly to church officials.

In all, more than three dozen priests and other church workers, living and dead, were accused of abusing children as far back as the late 1940s.

Five current or former priests were convicted of abuse, as were two former Catholic schoolteachers.

“This thing is not over,” said Shannon Whelan, of the local chapter of Voice of the Faithful, a group of lay Catholics that organized following the scandal to press for church reforms.

“I am extremely grateful that the diocese is taking positive action, and they are being more transparent,” she said. “That’s a good indication that we can move through this.”

“But we still have not seen nationally anything that suggests that the bishops that were really the foundation behind the problem, that anything has occurred to them,” she added. “We had some sick priests.”

...2009

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2009/07_08/2009_07_30_Smith_StIgnatius.htm


32 posted on 04/22/2011 9:12:51 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Gamecock

David M. Jarboe Jr.

23-year-old David Jarboe alleged sexual abuse on the Internet before shooting himself in front of a Catholic church in Feb, 2011.

The Diocese of Owensboro, Kentucky, promised to seek an independent investigator.

Jarboe wrote that abuse in the church is "real" and that he hoped to "save at least one child from the pain and torment that I had to go through," the Louisville Courier-Journal reported.

33 posted on 04/22/2011 9:41:26 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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David Jarboe's funeral...

34 posted on 04/22/2011 9:54:00 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: count-your-change

You wrote:

“suggest you acquaint yourself with the facts then come back.”

I suggest you become acquainted with the facts. No ones faith was being assaulted. Assaulting their faith is what you do to Catholics here. No victim is being blamed for the sexual assaults on them. None. And also, I was right about how pay outs are paid for.

I have been right all along. You have been wrong all along. Get used to it. It isn’t going to change. Since you apparently choose to ground yourself in bigottry and sciolism, it isn’t going to change.


35 posted on 04/23/2011 6:20:53 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: metmom
But the article DOES give concrete information that there are actually Catholics who recognize the problem and insist that something be done about it.

I think all Catholics who are conscious recognize there's a problem and insist that something be done about it.

That puts them at a level much higher than your average FRoman (and non-Latin rite) Catholic.

I don't know anyone like that. I do know FR Catholics who are tired of being beaten over the head with this issue by people who make no secret of their hatred for the Catholic Church. Their "concern" and "outrage" is bogus; the abuse situation is merely the cudgel that works the best today.

36 posted on 04/23/2011 6:34:19 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: annie laurie

Hi Annie. Thanks for the comment! And I am in full agreement with you. When Mary had the flashbacks to when Jesus was small and fell, to his current falling with the Cross and her running up to him ... oh boy, I didn’t think I’d be able to endure too much more of that scene, but then Jesus said something to the effect of, “See Mother, I make things new again,” and I could breathe again. The movie was cast so very very well.


37 posted on 04/23/2011 7:21:17 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: metmom

You wrote:

“But the article DOES give concrete information that there are actually Catholics who recognize the problem and insist that something be done about it.”

That’s every Catholic I have ever met. You do realize that your comments are making you look stupid, right?

“That puts them at a level much higher than your average FRoman (and non-Latin rite) Catholic.”

At a “level much higher”? WHat on earth does that mean? Every single Catholic I have EVER seen in FR has said they “recognize the problem and insist that something be done about it” so your comment can only be taken as ignorant nonsense by anyone who is even remotely aware of reality. The way anti-Catholic bigots try to mask their bigotry as phony concern for people or as plaudits for do-gooders who usually turn out to be nothing but leftist shills is pathetic and telling.


38 posted on 04/23/2011 8:45:03 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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Vladi, vladi, charges of sciolism and bigotry intimidate no one, nor does your self proclaimed correctness:

“I have been right all along”.

The insurance companies will pay out their contractual limits and then judgments against the dioceses come out of diocese assets.
But where did the diocese get it's assets? From the contributions of parishioners, whether by donation, fund raising, CSA, whatever.
Who donates to keep parish churches operating? But when they close and are sold the money is returned to the parishioners.

“No ones faith was being assaulted. Assaulting their faith is what you do to Catholics here”

The victims disagree.

Intimidation of the victims of the abusers by the hierarchy was tried too but it failed.

39 posted on 04/23/2011 10:34:32 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

You wrote:

“Vladi, vladi, charges of sciolism and bigotry intimidate no one, nor does your self proclaimed correctness:
“I have been right all along”.”

My charges of sciolism and bigotry are obviously true - as you so readily prove.

“The insurance companies will pay out their contractual limits and then judgments against the dioceses come out of diocese assets.”

And that still isn’t about donations at the parish levels. I have been right all along. Most donations at the parish level never go beyond the parish. Again, I was right all along.

“But where did the diocese get it’s assets? From the contributions of parishioners, whether by donation, fund raising, CSA, whatever.”

Some, yes. But the vast majority of payouts have been insurance based and NOT from donations. Some bishops have even made this clear to their parishoners. Again, I was right all along.

“Who donates to keep parish churches operating? But when they close and are sold the money is returned to the parishioners.”

Insurance companies have paid most payouts. That’s just a fact.

“The victims disagree.”

No, they don’t. I have never once heard any victim say anything that sounds like, “My faith in the resurrection (or Eucharist, or virgin birth, etc.) was assaulted.” What some victims have said is that they lost their faith because of their victimization. Losing faith because of a trauma is nowhere the same as having your faith assaulted.

“Intimidation of the victims of the abusers by the hierarchy was tried too but it failed.”

There are a few cases where such things happened. A few. Always wrong, and thankfully very rarely did this happen and mostly DECADES AGO.


40 posted on 04/23/2011 10:48:30 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: Cicero

Cicero, do some homework. Catholics that are fed up with their own church’s actions are exactly the people who need to speak out! All of the lawsuit money that keeps being spent on sex abuse BS, is only because Catholic bishops do not throw out child molesting priests after they learn about abuse. It takes 20 years to throw out a priest, in the mean time the pedophile gets more kids. This is sick! And what is worse is people like you who obviously know very little about what is actually happening spout off to make Catholics look even worse!

And of course this is not just a Catholic problem, but we Catholic are suppossed to live our life to a higher standard which is why we must get this evil out of our church!!


41 posted on 04/23/2011 11:12:50 AM PDT by conservativeJim
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To: vladimir998
Now it's “some”, “most”, “a few”? but Vladi still says, “I have been right all along”!
Then let others consider Milwaukee: The insurance companies have begun to bulk at being asked to pay what isn't covered.

“Insurance doesn't cover Milwaukee priest sex abuseNov 23, 2010 ... Insurance doesn't cover Milwaukee priest sex abuse ... that could arise from more than a dozen lawsuits involving sex abuse by priests, ... member parishes but said settlement payouts could come from a number of sources, ...
www.necn.com/11/23/10/Insurance...priest-/landing.html?...3...”

“What some victims have said is that they lost their faith because of their victimization. Losing faith because of a trauma is nowhere the same as having your faith assaulted.”

No, it isn't. Losing one’s life is no where the same as receiving a trauma due to assault either!

“My charges of sciolism and bigotry are obviously true - as you so readily prove.”

Let's see...nope......Still not working....Is that it? Or is there some other charge you'd like to lay?

42 posted on 04/23/2011 11:32:35 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

You wrote:

“Now it’s “some”, “most”, “a few”? but Vladi still says, “I have been right all along”!”

And I have been.

“Then let others consider Milwaukee: The insurance companies have begun to bulk at being asked to pay what isn’t covered.”

Bulk? I think you mean balk. Also, when did any insurance company ever pay what wasn’t covered? And finding one case just proves my point.

“No, it isn’t. Losing one’s life is no where the same as receiving a trauma due to assault either!”

You were wrong: they never claimed their faith was assaulted. You claimed it. They sometimes lost their faith - which is different. No victim was under “assault” for his faith in the sex abuse cases. Not a single one. The ones being assaulted for their faith, of having their faith assaulted are the faithful Catholics here at FR.

“Let’s see...nope......Still not working....Is that it? Or is there some other charge you’d like to lay?”

Since my earlier charges against you are irrefutable - as shown by your own posts - I need not make any others.


43 posted on 04/23/2011 11:56:57 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: conservativeJim

If you look at what is actually going on, rather than what people say, you will find that about 90% of the sex crimes happened back in the 70s and 80s, from the fallout of the sexual revolution.

Since the scandal came to light, the bishops have passed draconian rules, with the presumption that priests who are accused are guilty until proven innocent.

What these organizations actually are after is to turn up more “victims” from 30 or 40 years ago, to sue the various dioceses and remove money that otherwise would be spent on charities and building maintenance and schools and cemeteries. That certainly is what SNAP, which this guy’s father has helped organize, has been doing.

It does nothing to protect new victims. But it drains the funds from the Church and it helps the media blacken the priesthood—which even in its worst years was better than other organizations such as public school teachers, who have been let off the hook.

Sure, I knpw what these guys say. But I also watch what they do. Ambulance chasers.


44 posted on 04/23/2011 11:58:55 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: conservativeJim; Cicero

You wrote:

“Catholics that are fed up with their own church’s actions are exactly the people who need to speak out! All of the lawsuit money that keeps being spent on sex abuse BS, is only because Catholic bishops do not throw out child molesting priests after they learn about abuse.”

Uh, buddy, have you missed most of the last decade? As soon as a priest is accused he is suspended. There doesn’t even have to be evidence, just an accusation, to get him suspended and removed from his parish. That has been the case for 8 years now, This idea that bishops are just moving accused (let alone guilty) priests around is complete rubbish. It hasn’t been happening on the part of the bishops for years now.

“It takes 20 years to throw out a priest, in the mean time the pedophile gets more kids.”

Not for the last 8 years at least. What you’re talking about is decades old events. Do you realize that?

“This is sick! And what is worse is people like you who obviously know very little about what is actually happening spout off to make Catholics look even worse!”

Cicero is right. You’re wrong.


45 posted on 04/23/2011 12:10:35 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: ViLaLuz

You are most welcome!


46 posted on 04/23/2011 12:17:11 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: vladimir998

” I need not make any others.” Then don’t!


47 posted on 04/23/2011 12:50:29 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Cicero
It appears "Conservative Jim" just joined us today to make his one and only post castigating his fellow Catholics. I'd love to see his IP address.

Mrs. Prince of Space

48 posted on 04/23/2011 10:42:18 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Proud member of the only church started by Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago...)
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To: conservativeJim

You do not sound like any Catholic I know. I suspect you are a fake.


49 posted on 04/23/2011 10:57:04 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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