Skip to comments.Royal Wedding: Archbishop Backs William and Kate's Decision to Live Together Before Marriage
Posted on 04/30/2011 2:38:35 PM PDT by marshmallow
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whon said this was about sex, you can live with each pother and not have sex till marriage
love to see those stats as everyone I know lived with each other and all are married still, well minus one
Also ever heard of living with each other and not having sex?
I guess I would consider any woman that could live with me for 2 years without sex to not be compatible.
With more of the more traditional Anglicans having taken the offer from Rome to come home, over the course of time, what is called the Church of England could very well be reunited with Rome.
I hope not!
And in the long run, it is good for neither the guy, the girl, or society. God is not mocked.
You’re right it’s not about what society accepts, it’s about what God accepts.
The Archbishop of York backed Prince William and Kate Middletons decision to live together before marriage, saying that many modern couples want to test the milk before they buy the cow.Wow how sleazy is that? If this marriage lasts more than ten years (without the prince cheating with a younger Guernsey, or Kate grabbing herself a shiny new Stallion), I'll be pretty surprised.
You dated a woman for three years and remained chaste? I have to hand it to you, your self-discipline is amazing.
Viele Danke! After all, what is love if it is not unconditional? What kind of so-called “love” rejects the beloved because he or she fails to conform to some idealistic, unrealistic standard? If that was how God loved, then we would all be in mortal danger. The Bible says “God is love,” and his unconditional love for humankind - despite our utter unworthiness - is the basis for all human love.
Yes, I am the Reverend Leroy and I preach at the Church of What's Happening Now!
It's funny because it's true.
I’ve been married 29 years and my hubby and I lived together for 2 years before we married. I have no idea of the accuracy of living together making it more or less likely the marriage won’t work- but among our friends those that lived together first have stayed together.
Another thing I would like to add here- It seems to me that many who do not live together rush into marriage pretty quickly which can be a huge mistake also- absolutely don’t know each other yet.
I think ideally a couple should darn sure get to know each other for quite a while before marrying- whether they live together or not. I have two daughters that rushed into marriage not knowing the other person nearly enough. One son-in-law was a meth addict and the other was a control freak- likely on his way to being a wife-beater. Both are getting a divorce now and I sure wish they had taken longer to marry to begin with.
It's funny because it's true.
Yep. And I would add that they need to look for character traits WITHOUT love-colored glasses. REALLY look. Unfortunately, too many people let their feelings color their judgment when it comes to dating.
I got my wife to read this, and got her response. She says that neither of us were virgins, in fact we'd both been married before, so chastity would have have been just weird.
On a personal note, I am grateful I did not cohabit with my wife beforehand, as I she probably would have backed out of marrying me once she saw how imperfect I was (and am). Thankfully, we both believed marriage to be a lifelong commitment, and are now in our 23rd year.
We obviously did live together, and we're just a bit behind you. We have been together 21 years this last December, and we'll have been married for 20 years this June. I don't see a divorce on the horizon.
It's a good think this inartful man has someone else writing his sermons for him.
While they shouldn't have been cohabiting, the right choice for cohabitants is to get to the church and take the vows. So Bravo for making the right choice in the end. There are quite a few folks who started out on the wrong foot but did well. The Archbishop should not have given his approval, he should have looked forward, praised them for making their commitment, and left it at that.
My husband and I celebrated our 14th wedding anniversary in February and will celebrate 24 years together in June. Our daughter will be 13 in July.
We lived together for 5 years before we got married and actually got married while he was unemployed because of being in the midst of a worker's comp lawsuit. We've been through all kinds of h3ll, but neither of us can imagine trying to go through any of it without each other.
The Good Lord will judge us when the time comes, but I don't believe HE will look all that unfavorably on us, if for nothing else than the fact that our beautiful daughter loves Him and His Word because of the way she is being raised.
I personally find sanctimony a far worse sin than cohabiting.
A good example of why I thought the who to do about the royal wedding was sad.
It was a farce. A funeral for a great nation and people played out on a world stage.
Statistics can say lots of things. They are just numbers and can be shown to say anything the party spouting them chooses them to say.
If you need to live with your girlfriend/boyfriend to learn that they are abusive, I’m simply shocked.
Then seek comfort without him.
I find it amusing that the boomer generation dumped this garbage on us, and continues to try to justify their bad habits.
;it doesn’t seem to be have been important that a woman derived any sexual pleasure”
Wholly false. You need only look at the ‘estasy of St. Theresa’ to see the truth.
The argument is not that the woman denies herself sexual pleasure outside of marriage, but that she deprives herself from the sexual pleasure to be had in marriage.
No, considering the article that started this entire discussion was about religion and the Bible --- or did you fail to notice that? Just as you failed to notice you were only a secondary name on my post, out of courtesy, and not the main person to whom I was responding?
It kind of .......... isn't pleasant when you realize vulgarity is totally unnecessary to attempt to make a point in a discussion, isn't it?
The church of what’s happening now.
Actually, I addressed the narrow subject of the wisdom of a parent teaching his daughter to allow herself to be sampled. You brought in your certitude that God will forgive non-repented sins.
My vulgarity served to cut to the heart of the matter. Mission accomplished.
Women who live together with men outside of marriage are insane. And have no self-respect.I agree with you! A woman is afraid of losing her man, but any guy that would ditch a woman just because she won't have sex with him, ain't worth the lady's time. Wait 'til you're married gals. It's a gift to your husband that he will appreciate not just on his wedding night, but forever. And the reverse holds true as well. And for those who have messed up in this regard, that's why Catholics have Confession. (Great faith for sinners!)
I very much dreaded an out-of-wedlock pregnancy because without ever talking about teenage sex in our household, I knew that would bring shame on both me and my parents.
I've had plenty of years to ponder the failure of my marriage and will mention one because I've never seen it applied in modern times. Obedience to parents. There are more commandments than the 6th and 9th. Over a period of four years, I defied them and eventually wore them down. They relented and I got married, but I always knew they had wanted better for me.
So one mistake can cause a lifetime of pain, even if you have repented of it. Actions have consequences. And my children have paid and are paying for the consequences of their choices even though they have some good times. Naturally, loving them as I have, their mistakes add to the cumulative pain of my own.
And don't think the divorce didn't cause my children pain, a great deal of it, some of which was not my fault, because it did, even though as adults, they now understand why it was for the best.
Charles and Diane's wedding had better toasts:
Here's to the Royal Couple.
Drink up Chuck and Di!
Well, from seeing the problem from my patients I can tell you: the problem with living together is that the woman sees it as a prelude to marriage, and the guy sees it as...living together.
And, of course, often the girl is stuck doing the housework etc. and changing her life to fit his desires (and alas too many are so stupid as to be the one who not only does the housework, but works and supports the guy).
So when the couple would come into my office, and I asked their relationship, the woman would often say “My fiance” and the man “My girlfriend”.
In a lot of cases, the girl is abandoned when she “accidentally” gets pregnant...
This insecurity, knowing the guy wants you but not enough to care for you in pregnancy or times of trouble, leads the girl to be insecure, so when they marry, all the anger she has hidden inside (for fear he’s leave) comes out and voila, divorce.
Older couples who are divorced often live together because they don’t trust marriage and want to stay independent...both in money and life.
Often for these folks, it’s the woman who is in no hurry to marry, for fear of being stuck in a passive relatsionship where she has to sacrifice her hard won freedom (money and emotional) to his good. Not sure what happens when he gets old and sick...I have not run into a lot of heterosexual unmarried couples who nurse each other through a long debilitation final illness.
I’m old enough, however, to see one advantage to living together: I’m old enough to remember when a lot of closet gays married to cover up their attraction to the same sex. Often the spouse ended up depressed and not understanding why the spouse didn’t find them attractive.
This is the best argument I can see for “gay marriage”: That “religioius” gays will marry each other, not exploit a naive young woman to get cured. Yes, “gay marriage” is a “sin”, but what about the women and children who suffer in such a loveless marriage, the woman (or in one case, a man) often blaming herself for the problem, and the children soured on marriage.
I did? That's odd, as that is not something I believe at all.
As to your vulgarity, it only served to tell me you have a mission to prove your difficulty expressing yourself without it. You accomplished your mission.
Then you pose a question which would require soul searching on those to whom it would apply to answer honestly. I don't know how I would answer it were that I. What I do know well is feeling guilt. Which brings us back to a question I posed which no one has attempted to answer. In short, why no evidence of guilt, not that it would always be easy to detect outwardly, but sometimes it definitely is?
These young people seem to feel no sense of shame or guilt. The secular world has tried to wean us away from most of it. Indeed, you see young women who are proud of having children out of wedlock (or shacking up). So what happened between my generation and theirs?
All that being said, I'm glad society generally doesn't give the the Scarlet Letter treatment either. But consciously depriving one's children of a two-parent home, that can have negative consequences as well what we've been thrashing around here.
I don't need studies to show me that almost overwhelmingly, children from two-parent homes have seemed to fare better in life. Some, sooner or later, no matter how bad the start, do manage to mature and learn from their parent(s)' mistakes.
“simple for you this, if you make a stupid claim then back it up with independent sources, simple”
It’s even more simple than that: I DIDN’T MAKE THE CLAIM. Hopefully you will one day learn to read. With your performance thus far, that seems unlikely.
So I don't know if I'm entirely wrong or not. All I have to go by are what I've read of how it was in the past. Many marriages were contractual; some father's respected their daughter's wishes, and some didn't. Since I didn't live in those times, I can only glean little of what was discussed privately, what women knew, and how they came to know it.
I'll be brutally blunt. There are marriages where either the wife cannot achieve an orgasm, sometimes not at all, and husbands who are physically incapable or know how to satisfy their wives or partners sexually.
I have three married cousins, a widowed sister and an engaged cousin. None of them cohabited. Not a scientific sample of course, just my 2 cents.
“...if for nothing else than the fact that our beautiful daughter loves Him and His Word because of the way she is being raised.”
I believe you are sincere, but here’s the problem: How can you be raising her right if you’re telling her she can have sex before marriage (if she goes by your example)? No where in scripture, or tradition, do you find any support for that. Saying that to you is not sanctimony on our part. It is simply the truth.
“I personally find sanctimony a far worse sin than cohabiting.”
Sexual sins are not the worst sins. Murder, of course, is worse than fornication. But that doesn’t mean fornication isn’t a sin.
It is stunning to me how people who consider themselves Christians routinely deny that sin is sin. Then again: http://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Calls-Anymore-Kenneth-Roberts/dp/0879739150
Sexual sins are not the worst sins. Murder, of course, is worse than fornication. But that doesnt mean fornication isnt a sin.Over fifty million babies in heaven agree with you.
Why buy the pig....ahhhh nevermind.
Good news is that you can vote Obama out come next year.
Sure hope so..what a disaster!
good for you and I wish you well, I really do and we’re going on 16 years too
thank you for making a post which is from experience and a happy one too, hope you and your family have a good and healthy future.
but you feel the need to but in
beautiful post from your experience and heart, it’s late here but I will reply privately tomorrow if I have time if you dn’t mind.
I would love to carry this on but I’m so tired right now, so I’m sorry
I’m 57 and just heard from a Relative about a couple of my Aunts and Uncles who beat a path to the Courthouse because there was a bun in the oven. That was over fifty years ago.
I wonder if a couple of my Cousins are privy to their interesting start in life.
It takes a while for all the skeletons to fall out of the closet, but they all eventually do. Human nature is a constant.
Pity the man that short changes a woman. LOL