Skip to comments.Pastor Lies About Being a Navy SEAL, Confronted by Retired SEAL
Posted on 05/10/2011 5:44:43 PM PDT by Gamecock
Pastor Jim Moats of Newville, Pa. once had a conversation with a supervisor about the Navy SEALs. He's apparently seen a few movies portraying the SEALs as well.
In the Christian Bible Fellowship Church in Newville, Pa., Pastor Jim Moats was apparently known as a Vietnam-era Navy SEAL. Moats was known to tell tales of his time as a SEAL to parishioners and family. His sons, both of whom served in Iraq, even made their dad a plaque honoring the SEALs and other Navy units. The plaque hung on Moats' wall.
His tall tales and this plaque had led to questions, and probably even tokens of gratitude. The Pastor was living the lie. That was until The Patriot-News sought out local, retired Navy SEALs to interview after the daring raid of SEAL Team 6 led to the death of Osama bin Laden.
Readers, including two real former SEALs, saw right through his bogus story. Retired Navy SEAL Don Shipley connected two of Moats' stories to the Steven Seagal movie "Under Siege" and the Demi Moore classic, "G.I. Jane." Maybe if Moats had seen "Navy SEALs" or "Under Siege 2: Dark Territory" his story would have more credibility.
Jason Ertola, a Navy SEAL from 1992-1996, said any SEAL could see right through Moats' fraudulent story. He also expressed outrage at men like Moats who "claim the honor that many good men have earned and died for." He also noted that bogus claims similar to Moats' have increased since the death of bin Laden.
Shipley confirmed that Moats was never a SEAL (and never even served in Vietnam) by accessing a database with the names of all SEALs. Shipley then confronted the Pastor with a phone call on Sunday night. Moats gave in and admitted he was never a SEAL, never served in Vietnam, but had served in the Navy.
Moats used the ruse as an ego-booster and said he was living his dream through his sons. He will explain himself to parishioners Wednesday night at the Christian Bible Fellowship Church.
Pastor Moats' lie is disrespectful not only to all current and former Navy SEALs, such as Shipley and Ertola, but also to anyone who has served or is serving in the military, including Moats' two sons. Navy SEALs and others serving in the armed forces are the real heroes in this country, and there should be no issue with citizens pretending to be them. As long as they are 12-year-old kids. Not 59-year-old pastors with two kids of their own.
Anyone who had spent any serious time in the military can pick out these pathetic creatures in less than 30 seconds. His poor kids were probably in denial...
Given the number of living current and former SEALS vs the population of the US, your chances of every meeting one are about one in 250,000. Simple rule of thumb, if someone claims to be a SEAL, you can safely assume he’s lying unless he shows written proof, and that means an unaltered DD 214 form.
I would imagine that lying about having been a SEAL is probably the biggest single resume lie in the US, in terms of numbers who claim it against the (very small) actual number of “real” SEALS.
There is a famous former EWTN priest who claimed that he was Green Beret as well but never completed training. Veterans got a hold of his military record via a FOIA request.
A former coworker of mine goes to this church. He talked about his pastor frequently. Sad to hear that he thought the truth was insufficient.
You can not tell by looking either. They were always scruffy and I swear they stick out their gut on purpose, just so you do not realize how fit they are.
LOL! I was thinking the same thing.
I was a SEAL.
But now I am The WALRUS!
That’s my story anyway, until I get Osama back to Gitmo for interrogation..
Well History tells us there were less than 500 Seals that served during Vietnam era and I think I have personally met all 50,000 of them.
...not too many physical distinctions except being in really good shape...
...the young ones I know...
...do have a "certain" similar mischief about them...
...but are the most courteous young men you'll ever meet...
However..........a lie is still a lie.
My platoon leader in the Corps had been a SEAL in Vietnam. He changed services after that. He never talked about it. He had that massive chest on a normal sized body that serious swimmers seem to get.
He led us on PT for a while. He’d have us do a series of exercises that weren’t particularly punishing when we were doing them, but our bodies turned to jell-o afterwards. Every muscle we had was burning and stressed after PT with him.
The only thing that he had us do that was really demanding while we were doing it was to buddy up and carry your buddy in a fireman’s carry on a PT run. We didn’t run far like that- we’d switch off and you got to ‘rest’ while you were being carried.
There is another side to this story. I am a veteran and have encountered tough talking guys whose service may or may not be of the character they are quick to tell you about and judge yours by. I don’t care if you were the meanest mf in the valley, the character of your service does not grant automatic privilege to denigrate or question that of someone you whose service you think is inferior to your own. Liars and bullies are everywhere and I question anyone who cannot honor the character of one’s military service.... which, by the way, can only be truthfully discussed in the company of those with whom one served.
However..........a lie is still a lie.
What I find ironic is that, if given the choice, I'd much rather be a pastor than a Navy SEAL - because the pastorate is a God-honoured position that has eternal value, while being a Navy SEAL is not.
It's sad that this pastor had to throw away the eternal value he had, all for a lie about some earthly military position that has no value in light of eternity.
Real deal SEAL ping.
Truthfully the honorable thing would be for the Pastor to step down. You can’t “shepherd a flock” if the “sheep” don’t know when you’re telling the truth. This has become a trust issue.
“There is a famous former EWTN priest who claimed that he was Green Beret as well but never completed training. Veterans got a hold of his military record via a FOIA request.”
Who is it?
I feel sorry for his sons who apparently are serving admirably.
I read this book years ago called Stolen Valor. I have no respect for these liars.
I met a Chaplain with a Seal tab. He saw my facial expression and explained his path took him far and wide before he heard his calling.
I am a former F-4/F-16 pilot. Once I was having dinner with a group of friends who brought a new guy along. He started spouting off about how he had flown F-16’s in the USAF. I perked up and asked him a couple of Q’s and it became painfully obvious that he was full of Sh#$. I warned my friend who was considering doing business with the fraud. He went ahead anyway and lost his shirt to a fraudulent deal. I tried.
I admire and appreciate our warriors and may God bless each and every one. My the scum that pretend to have military service be exposed each and every time they try to claim it!
I had a college classmate who was a SEAL. Didn’t find out for months. We were drinking a couple of beers and he told me a bit about it. Very matter of fact stories.
After that night I never heard him mention it again.
I tend to trust Chaplains with Ranger and SF tabs, as well as CIBs more than most other Chaplainss.
I figure they had a serious come to Jesus episode somewhere in their past.
“the pastorate is a God-honoured position that has eternal value, while being a Navy SEAL is not.”
Exactly what is NOT ‘God-Honored’ about a Navy Seal? Who is ready to lay down his life for his team mates and country?
St Michael the Archangel: God’s Warrior
Evidently, this guy never learned, “Thou shalt not bear false witness.” This church needs a new pastor.
David was a warrior, was he not?
Did he boast about his exploits in the Hürtgen Forest?
I don't see anything in the Bible about God honouring Navy SEALs. I DO see Him honouring pastors who discharge their office faithfully. So a guy lays down his life for his countrymen and his teammates. That's all well and good, but doesn't mean much in light of eternity. People don't go to heaven, just 'cause a Navy SEAL pops Osama bin Laden.
Sorry, but service in the US military doesn't make one right with God, give them special merit before Him, or anything else along those lines.
Yeah - but David was honoured because he lived for God, not because he was a warrior.
How can ANYONE say that being a SEAL is not the God honored position that has eternal value.
You have every right to your sanctimonious position regarding the military. I will agree to disagree. I don’t have a single minister in my entire pedigree. I have lots of warriors in the family. I salute each and every one of them because THEY gave you the right to your opinion.
God used his warrior attributes to defend Israel.
Yawn. So, because I honour pastors more than soldiers, this is "sanctimonious"?
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
For the record, soldiers didn't give me ANYTHING. God gave me my rights. These rights I have and retain, regardless of whether it is easy or difficult to exercise them, but nonetheless, I do not own any soldier my freedoms. Those come from GOD alone, not ANY man. Indeed, throughout history, soldiers have been the ones who have helped to take away peoples' liberties - and quite frankly, this will probably be the case here in the USA in the not too distant future.
So, I see no reason to honour people whose work has no ETERNAL value, over those who GOD honours in His Word.
My buddy was an exchange officer to the British Army for a few years.
He said it was odd, while living in England he met countless former members of the SAS, but not once did he met a former truck driver.
I was personally burned by a guy who posed as a World War Two paratrooper in Normandy. He was so convincing that my platoon marched to his home calling cadence near St. Mere Eglise. As Airborne soldiers we were in awe of this man and hung on every word he said. Imagine my surprise when I did a search for him and found out he was a fraud. His name is Howard Manoian and I had the misfortune of being conned by this guy.
Here is a link that covers his story.
God gave you the military to wathc over your rights.
True....but the whole reason David was honoured by God in the first place was because he was a faithful *pastor* (look up the link, even in the OT, between the two senses of that word)
Also, we're not OT Israel. We're not a theocratic nation who needs things like armies and whatnot. God's churches do not need warriors in the carnal sense, but in the spiritual (II Cor. 10:4).
Can you tell me exactly where in Holy Scripture it says a “pastor” regardless of his character is “eternally” God-honored over any of his children. Sounds like you sort of make it up as it suits. Just sayin’.
And where does the Bible say that any nation's military is there to "watch over our rights"?
Oh right, it doesn't.
Further, can you actually say with a straight face that if things keep going the way they are, within twenty years, the military isn't going to be "watching over" your rights, but doing just the opposite?
God also uses earthly means as a tool to enforce his justice. (Romans 12)
Heidi Klum married a Seal.
There are plenty of reprobates who happened to get through Divinity School as I would imagine that there are people who make it through SEAL school who I would not want my daughter to be involved with.
I would not assume that God automatically honors all of them. I would assume that honor only comes from deeds, not 'education.'
That said, on a percentage basis, I would trust the average SEAL over the random divinity student.
That's a false question, since I never said that God honours a pastor "regardless of his character." In fact, I said God honours pastors "who discharge their office faithfully." And that much is definitely true. In point of fact, God says that He will give pastors "a crown of glory that fadeth not away" for faithful service (I Peter 5:4). Can you show me a place where soldiers are promised this?
Further, God's people are told that the office of a bishop, if they desire to obtain it, desire a good work - which in the Greek original is an emphatic statement. Again, can you show me where this is said of being a soldier?
Frankly, if it seems to you that I'm "making it up as it suits," then this is only because you don't know the Bible well enough to understand otherwise.
True....but again, that has no eternal character or value.