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Pastor Lies About Being a Navy SEAL, Confronted by Retired SEAL
gather.com ^ | May 10, 2011 | Stephen T. Allen

Posted on 05/10/2011 5:44:43 PM PDT by Gamecock

Pastor Jim Moats of Newville, Pa. once had a conversation with a supervisor about the Navy SEALs. He's apparently seen a few movies portraying the SEALs as well.

In the Christian Bible Fellowship Church in Newville, Pa., Pastor Jim Moats was apparently known as a Vietnam-era Navy SEAL. Moats was known to tell tales of his time as a SEAL to parishioners and family. His sons, both of whom served in Iraq, even made their dad a plaque honoring the SEALs and other Navy units. The plaque hung on Moats' wall.

His tall tales and this plaque had led to questions, and probably even tokens of gratitude. The Pastor was living the lie. That was until The Patriot-News sought out local, retired Navy SEALs to interview after the daring raid of SEAL Team 6 led to the death of Osama bin Laden.

Readers, including two real former SEALs, saw right through his bogus story. Retired Navy SEAL Don Shipley connected two of Moats' stories to the Steven Seagal movie "Under Siege" and the Demi Moore classic, "G.I. Jane." Maybe if Moats had seen "Navy SEALs" or "Under Siege 2: Dark Territory" his story would have more credibility.

Jason Ertola, a Navy SEAL from 1992-1996, said any SEAL could see right through Moats' fraudulent story. He also expressed outrage at men like Moats who "claim the honor that many good men have earned and died for." He also noted that bogus claims similar to Moats' have increased since the death of bin Laden.

Shipley confirmed that Moats was never a SEAL (and never even served in Vietnam) by accessing a database with the names of all SEALs. Shipley then confronted the Pastor with a phone call on Sunday night. Moats gave in and admitted he was never a SEAL, never served in Vietnam, but had served in the Navy.

Moats used the ruse as an ego-booster and said he was living his dream through his sons. He will explain himself to parishioners Wednesday night at the Christian Bible Fellowship Church.

Pastor Moats' lie is disrespectful not only to all current and former Navy SEALs, such as Shipley and Ertola, but also to anyone who has served or is serving in the military, including Moats' two sons. Navy SEALs and others serving in the armed forces are the real heroes in this country, and there should be no issue with citizens pretending to be them. As long as they are 12-year-old kids. Not 59-year-old pastors with two kids of their own.


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1 posted on 05/10/2011 5:44:46 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock
Jason Ertola, a Navy SEAL from 1992-1996, said any SEAL could see right through Moats' fraudulent story.

Anyone who had spent any serious time in the military can pick out these pathetic creatures in less than 30 seconds. His poor kids were probably in denial...

2 posted on 05/10/2011 5:46:59 PM PDT by Gamecock (It's not eat drink and be merry because tommow we die, but do so because yesterday we were dead.)
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To: Gamecock

Given the number of living current and former SEALS vs the population of the US, your chances of every meeting one are about one in 250,000. Simple rule of thumb, if someone claims to be a SEAL, you can safely assume he’s lying unless he shows written proof, and that means an unaltered DD 214 form.


3 posted on 05/10/2011 5:51:00 PM PDT by balch3
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To: balch3

I would imagine that lying about having been a SEAL is probably the biggest single resume lie in the US, in terms of numbers who claim it against the (very small) actual number of “real” SEALS.


4 posted on 05/10/2011 5:55:42 PM PDT by laconic
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There is a famous former EWTN priest who claimed that he was Green Beret as well but never completed training. Veterans got a hold of his military record via a FOIA request.


5 posted on 05/10/2011 5:56:14 PM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: Gamecock
"He also noted that bogus claims similar to Moats' have increased since the death of bin Laden."

I bet in drinking establishments and dance halls all across America, women were serenaded with boast of "I am a Navy SEAL and was involved in the Osama raid. But please, only keep this between you and me, ya know, covert stuff and all, I can't tell you everything (Intrigue, the carrot on a stick to trick her into bed). You seem to be the trusting type and feel like the weight of the world has been lifted off me by telling you this."
6 posted on 05/10/2011 5:57:51 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Gamecock

A former coworker of mine goes to this church. He talked about his pastor frequently. Sad to hear that he thought the truth was insufficient.


7 posted on 05/10/2011 6:00:27 PM PDT by Shanty Shaker
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To: Gamecock; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Elsie
Mormon Liar also exposed.
8 posted on 05/10/2011 6:03:26 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the Inman FReepers Meet July 23 Pray Jim Rob Can Make It)
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To: Gamecock
I was never a SEAL but they were my taxi service one summer. Just riding in one of their boats was punishing. The scariest thing about claiming to be a seal is wondering if I would accidently run into one on the street.

You can not tell by looking either. They were always scruffy and I swear they stick out their gut on purpose, just so you do not realize how fit they are.

9 posted on 05/10/2011 6:04:58 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: rollo tomasi

LOL! I was thinking the same thing.


10 posted on 05/10/2011 6:07:38 PM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.conservativedna.com/)
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To: rabidralph

I was a SEAL.

But now I am The WALRUS!

That’s my story anyway, until I get Osama back to Gitmo for interrogation..


11 posted on 05/10/2011 6:11:44 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: Gamecock

Well History tells us there were less than 500 Seals that served during Vietnam era and I think I have personally met all 50,000 of them.


12 posted on 05/10/2011 6:15:56 PM PDT by Lees Swrd ("Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well")
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To: balch3
...have met many...

...not too many physical distinctions except being in really good shape...

...the young ones I know...

...do have a "certain" similar mischief about them...

...but are the most courteous young men you'll ever meet...

13 posted on 05/10/2011 6:17:41 PM PDT by cyberaxe (....Uuuummpphhhh.....)
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To: Gamecock
Let's face it, most of our lives aren't too exciting and hearing about others dangerous deeds in faraway places kind of takes the thrill out of mowing the grass and making sure plastic is recycled.

However..........a lie is still a lie.

14 posted on 05/10/2011 6:17:59 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: dangerdoc

My platoon leader in the Corps had been a SEAL in Vietnam. He changed services after that. He never talked about it. He had that massive chest on a normal sized body that serious swimmers seem to get.

He led us on PT for a while. He’d have us do a series of exercises that weren’t particularly punishing when we were doing them, but our bodies turned to jell-o afterwards. Every muscle we had was burning and stressed after PT with him.

The only thing that he had us do that was really demanding while we were doing it was to buddy up and carry your buddy in a fireman’s carry on a PT run. We didn’t run far like that- we’d switch off and you got to ‘rest’ while you were being carried.


15 posted on 05/10/2011 6:22:58 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Gamecock

There is another side to this story. I am a veteran and have encountered tough talking guys whose service may or may not be of the character they are quick to tell you about and judge yours by. I don’t care if you were the meanest mf in the valley, the character of your service does not grant automatic privilege to denigrate or question that of someone you whose service you think is inferior to your own. Liars and bullies are everywhere and I question anyone who cannot honor the character of one’s military service.... which, by the way, can only be truthfully discussed in the company of those with whom one served.


16 posted on 05/10/2011 6:26:11 PM PDT by yetidog
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To: Gamecock
I once knew a Navy Seal. At the time I knew him he was an ex-Navy Seal. Nice guy. You would never have known he was a Seal. Didn't seem like anything more than an ordinary guy.
17 posted on 05/10/2011 6:28:41 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: count-your-change; All
Let's face it, most of our lives aren't too exciting and hearing about others dangerous deeds in faraway places kind of takes the thrill out of mowing the grass and making sure plastic is recycled.

However..........a lie is still a lie.

What I find ironic is that, if given the choice, I'd much rather be a pastor than a Navy SEAL - because the pastorate is a God-honoured position that has eternal value, while being a Navy SEAL is not.

It's sad that this pastor had to throw away the eternal value he had, all for a lie about some earthly military position that has no value in light of eternity.

18 posted on 05/10/2011 6:29:20 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("I'm a member of the Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus fan club!" (Sarah Palin, Sept. 31, 2010))
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To: Travis McGee

Real deal SEAL ping.


19 posted on 05/10/2011 6:29:59 PM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: Gamecock

Truthfully the honorable thing would be for the Pastor to step down. You can’t “shepherd a flock” if the “sheep” don’t know when you’re telling the truth. This has become a trust issue.


20 posted on 05/10/2011 6:30:24 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: WaterBoard

“There is a famous former EWTN priest who claimed that he was Green Beret as well but never completed training. Veterans got a hold of his military record via a FOIA request.”

Who is it?


21 posted on 05/10/2011 6:31:17 PM PDT by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: Gamecock

I feel sorry for his sons who apparently are serving admirably.


22 posted on 05/10/2011 6:35:33 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: Gamecock

I read this book years ago called Stolen Valor. I have no respect for these liars.


23 posted on 05/10/2011 6:46:43 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: truthguy; Gamecock
I once knew a Navy Seal. At the time I knew him he was an ex-Navy Seal. Nice guy. You would never have known he was a Seal. Didn't seem like anything more than an ordinary guy.

I met a Chaplain with a Seal tab. He saw my facial expression and explained his path took him far and wide before he heard his calling.

24 posted on 05/10/2011 6:47:39 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Gamecock

I am a former F-4/F-16 pilot. Once I was having dinner with a group of friends who brought a new guy along. He started spouting off about how he had flown F-16’s in the USAF. I perked up and asked him a couple of Q’s and it became painfully obvious that he was full of Sh#$. I warned my friend who was considering doing business with the fraud. He went ahead anyway and lost his shirt to a fraudulent deal. I tried.


25 posted on 05/10/2011 6:49:57 PM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: Gamecock
I thought about this before this story came out. I wonder how many pathetic souls will claim over the years to have taken out Osama?

I admire and appreciate our warriors and may God bless each and every one. My the scum that pretend to have military service be exposed each and every time they try to claim it!

26 posted on 05/10/2011 6:55:47 PM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: truthguy

I had a college classmate who was a SEAL. Didn’t find out for months. We were drinking a couple of beers and he told me a bit about it. Very matter of fact stories.

After that night I never heard him mention it again.


27 posted on 05/10/2011 6:55:53 PM PDT by Gamecock (It's not eat drink and be merry because tommow we die, but do so because yesterday we were dead.)
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To: Grizzled Bear; truthguy

I tend to trust Chaplains with Ranger and SF tabs, as well as CIBs more than most other Chaplainss.

I figure they had a serious come to Jesus episode somewhere in their past.


28 posted on 05/10/2011 6:58:10 PM PDT by Gamecock (It's not eat drink and be merry because tommow we die, but do so because yesterday we were dead.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“the pastorate is a God-honoured position that has eternal value, while being a Navy SEAL is not.”

Exactly what is NOT ‘God-Honored’ about a Navy Seal? Who is ready to lay down his life for his team mates and country?
St Michael the Archangel: God’s Warrior


29 posted on 05/10/2011 6:59:21 PM PDT by famousdayandyear (On the 18th of April 75 hardly a man is now alive who remembers)
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To: Gamecock

Evidently, this guy never learned, “Thou shalt not bear false witness.” This church needs a new pastor.


30 posted on 05/10/2011 7:01:11 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
because the pastorate is a God-honoured position that has eternal value, while being a Navy SEAL is not.

David was a warrior, was he not?

31 posted on 05/10/2011 7:03:09 PM PDT by Gamecock (It's not eat drink and be merry because tommow we die, but do so because yesterday we were dead.)
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To: Gamecock

Did he boast about his exploits in the Hürtgen Forest?


32 posted on 05/10/2011 7:05:22 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: famousdayandyear
Exactly what is NOT ‘God-Honored’ about a Navy Seal? Who is ready to lay down his life for his team mates and country? St Michael the Archangel: God’s Warrior

I don't see anything in the Bible about God honouring Navy SEALs. I DO see Him honouring pastors who discharge their office faithfully. So a guy lays down his life for his countrymen and his teammates. That's all well and good, but doesn't mean much in light of eternity. People don't go to heaven, just 'cause a Navy SEAL pops Osama bin Laden.

Sorry, but service in the US military doesn't make one right with God, give them special merit before Him, or anything else along those lines.

33 posted on 05/10/2011 7:05:47 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("I'm a member of the Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus fan club!" (Sarah Palin, Sept. 31, 2010))
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To: Gamecock
David was a warrior, was he not?

Yeah - but David was honoured because he lived for God, not because he was a warrior.

34 posted on 05/10/2011 7:07:12 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("I'm a member of the Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus fan club!" (Sarah Palin, Sept. 31, 2010))
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To: famousdayandyear
Thank you. I was offended when I read the post you referred to. What is not righteous about being the very best you can be? To be a SEAL is the epitome of training. Epitome of one for all and all for one.

How can ANYONE say that being a SEAL is not the God honored position that has eternal value.

35 posted on 05/10/2011 7:11:25 PM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

You have every right to your sanctimonious position regarding the military. I will agree to disagree. I don’t have a single minister in my entire pedigree. I have lots of warriors in the family. I salute each and every one of them because THEY gave you the right to your opinion.


36 posted on 05/10/2011 7:16:54 PM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

God used his warrior attributes to defend Israel.


37 posted on 05/10/2011 7:17:50 PM PDT by Gamecock (It's not eat drink and be merry because tommow we die, but do so because yesterday we were dead.)
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To: Sunshine Sister
You have every right to your sanctimonious position regarding the military. I will agree to disagree. I don’t have a single minister in my entire pedigree. I have lots of warriors in the family. I salute each and every one of them because THEY gave you the right to your opinion.

Yawn. So, because I honour pastors more than soldiers, this is "sanctimonious"?

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

For the record, soldiers didn't give me ANYTHING. God gave me my rights. These rights I have and retain, regardless of whether it is easy or difficult to exercise them, but nonetheless, I do not own any soldier my freedoms. Those come from GOD alone, not ANY man. Indeed, throughout history, soldiers have been the ones who have helped to take away peoples' liberties - and quite frankly, this will probably be the case here in the USA in the not too distant future.

So, I see no reason to honour people whose work has no ETERNAL value, over those who GOD honours in His Word.

38 posted on 05/10/2011 7:21:22 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("I'm a member of the Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus fan club!" (Sarah Palin, Sept. 31, 2010))
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To: Lees Swrd
Well History tells us there were less than 500 Seals that served during Vietnam era and I think I have personally met all 50,000 of them.

My buddy was an exchange officer to the British Army for a few years.

He said it was odd, while living in England he met countless former members of the SAS, but not once did he met a former truck driver.

39 posted on 05/10/2011 7:22:19 PM PDT by Gamecock (It's not eat drink and be merry because tommow we die, but do so because yesterday we were dead.)
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To: Gamecock

I was personally burned by a guy who posed as a World War Two paratrooper in Normandy. He was so convincing that my platoon marched to his home calling cadence near St. Mere Eglise. As Airborne soldiers we were in awe of this man and hung on every word he said. Imagine my surprise when I did a search for him and found out he was a fraud. His name is Howard Manoian and I had the misfortune of being conned by this guy.

Here is a link that covers his story.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23716587-d-day-hero-exposed-as-a-fraud.do


40 posted on 05/10/2011 7:23:45 PM PDT by soupbone1
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
For the record, soldiers didn't give me ANYTHING. God gave me my rights.

God gave you the military to wathc over your rights.

41 posted on 05/10/2011 7:24:07 PM PDT by Gamecock (It's not eat drink and be merry because tommow we die, but do so because yesterday we were dead.)
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To: Gamecock
God used his warrior attributes to defend Israel.

True....but the whole reason David was honoured by God in the first place was because he was a faithful *pastor* (look up the link, even in the OT, between the two senses of that word)

Also, we're not OT Israel. We're not a theocratic nation who needs things like armies and whatnot. God's churches do not need warriors in the carnal sense, but in the spiritual (II Cor. 10:4).

42 posted on 05/10/2011 7:24:35 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("I'm a member of the Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus fan club!" (Sarah Palin, Sept. 31, 2010))
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Can you tell me exactly where in Holy Scripture it says a “pastor” regardless of his character is “eternally” God-honored over any of his children. Sounds like you sort of make it up as it suits. Just sayin’.


43 posted on 05/10/2011 7:25:14 PM PDT by famousdayandyear (On the 18th of April 75 hardly a man is now alive who remembers)
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To: Gamecock
God gave you the military to wathc over your rights.

And where does the Bible say that any nation's military is there to "watch over our rights"?

Oh right, it doesn't.

Further, can you actually say with a straight face that if things keep going the way they are, within twenty years, the military isn't going to be "watching over" your rights, but doing just the opposite?

44 posted on 05/10/2011 7:27:17 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("I'm a member of the Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus fan club!" (Sarah Palin, Sept. 31, 2010))
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

God also uses earthly means as a tool to enforce his justice. (Romans 12)


45 posted on 05/10/2011 7:27:27 PM PDT by Gamecock (It's not eat drink and be merry because tommow we die, but do so because yesterday we were dead.)
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To: Lees Swrd

Great line.


46 posted on 05/10/2011 7:28:00 PM PDT by ShasheMac
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To: Gamecock

Heidi Klum married a Seal.


47 posted on 05/10/2011 7:29:12 PM PDT by decisis
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
because the pastorate is a God-honoured position

There are plenty of reprobates who happened to get through Divinity School as I would imagine that there are people who make it through SEAL school who I would not want my daughter to be involved with.

I would not assume that God automatically honors all of them. I would assume that honor only comes from deeds, not 'education.'

That said, on a percentage basis, I would trust the average SEAL over the random divinity student.

48 posted on 05/10/2011 7:30:19 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: famousdayandyear
Can you tell me exactly where in Holy Scripture it says a “pastor” regardless of his character is “eternally” God-honored over any of his children. Sounds like you sort of make it up as it suits. Just sayin’.

That's a false question, since I never said that God honours a pastor "regardless of his character." In fact, I said God honours pastors "who discharge their office faithfully." And that much is definitely true. In point of fact, God says that He will give pastors "a crown of glory that fadeth not away" for faithful service (I Peter 5:4). Can you show me a place where soldiers are promised this?

Further, God's people are told that the office of a bishop, if they desire to obtain it, desire a good work - which in the Greek original is an emphatic statement. Again, can you show me where this is said of being a soldier?

Frankly, if it seems to you that I'm "making it up as it suits," then this is only because you don't know the Bible well enough to understand otherwise.

49 posted on 05/10/2011 7:32:06 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("I'm a member of the Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus fan club!" (Sarah Palin, Sept. 31, 2010))
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To: Gamecock
God also uses earthly means as a tool to enforce his justice. (Romans 12)

True....but again, that has no eternal character or value.

50 posted on 05/10/2011 7:33:14 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("I'm a member of the Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus fan club!" (Sarah Palin, Sept. 31, 2010))
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