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Presbyterians clear way for gay clergy
AP, FNC ^ | May 10, 2011 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/11/2011 5:20:27 AM PDT by iowamark

After decades of debate, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) on Tuesday struck down a barrier to ordaining gays, ratifying a proposal that removes the celibacy requirement for unmarried clergy, in the latest mainline Protestant move toward accepting gay relationships...

Differences over the Bible and homosexuality have split Protestant groups nationally and worldwide for years. Within the Presbyterian Church, about 100 of the 11,000 congregations had already broken away ahead of the vote, but a group of large theologically conservative congregations, which calls itself Fellowship, has decided to remain in the denomination for now.

Top Presbyterian executives issued a statement to the church acknowledging that "some will rejoice while others will weep," at the decision.

"However, as Presbyterians, we believe that the only way we will find God's will for the church is by seeking it together — worshipping, praying, thinking and serving alongside one another," the executives wrote...

Each regional body will decide who it should ordain, and some districts are expected to continue to reject gay and lesbian candidates...

The 2.1 million-member denomination, based in Louisville, Ky., is the latest mainline Protestant group to move toward accepting same-gender relationships.

In 2003, The Episcopal Church caused an uproar in the global Anglican fellowship by consecrating the first openly gay bishop, V. Gene Robinson of New Hampshire. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the largest Lutheran group in the country, liberalized its policy toward gay clergy two years ago. The United Church of Christ started ordaining openly gay clergy in 1972, and more recently endorsed same-sex marriage...

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TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
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1 posted on 05/11/2011 5:20:32 AM PDT by iowamark
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as Presbyterians, we believe that the only way we will find God's will for the church is by seeking it together — worshipping, praying, thinking and serving alongside one another," the executives wrote.

In other words, make up it!

2 posted on 05/11/2011 5:22:53 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: iowamark
I hope most congregations end up breaking away and leaving these heretical groups. I have known a lot of hard line, conservative Presbyterians, Episcopals, and Lutherans who are as hard line as any Baptist. The Bible can be a difficult thing to read, but it is fairly clear that all sex outside a male husband and a female wife is a sin.

Any good websites on what protestant groups have gone screwey and which ones still preach the truth?

3 posted on 05/11/2011 5:30:53 AM PDT by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: iowamark

Well it’s official now. The PC(USA) is no longer Christian


4 posted on 05/11/2011 5:31:56 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: iowamark

I’m always shocked by these decisions. The Bible is very clear on the sinfulness of homosexuality. How do these churches avoid that fact?


5 posted on 05/11/2011 5:34:31 AM PDT by HGSW0904
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To: iowamark

Why I’m now Catholic.


6 posted on 05/11/2011 5:46:34 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: iowamark

It’s like Rabbis clubbing together and declaring bacon to be kosher.


7 posted on 05/11/2011 5:48:33 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: iowamark

“If you believe what you like in the gospel, and reject what you don’t like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself.” — St. Augustine of Hippo


8 posted on 05/11/2011 5:51:15 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: iowamark
Differences over the Bible and homosexuality have split Protestant groups nationally and worldwide for years.

The other HUGE PROBLEM is that they're pro-choice and give pastors abortion coverage. Pure evil...

...and liberal.

9 posted on 05/11/2011 5:51:23 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: iowamark
The much smaller Presbyterian Church in America, a separate denomination, bars ordination for women and openly gay clergy candidates.

Many thanks to FoxNews for making that important distinction in the last line of the article!

Now we'll see how serious the remaining "conservative" PCUSA congregations really are, by whether or not they will have the courage to leave. Most would have to forfeit their real estate and pastors' pensions, since PCUSA retains those assets as a measure of coercion over its congregations. At its founding in the early 1980s, the conservative Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) -- as a check on its own behavior and power -- mandated that each PCA congregation would own its own real estate. We are not only free to leave the PCA, we are free and unencumbered.

So far, PCUSA members have tolerated their apostate denomination's support for Gaia worship and partial birth abortion, plus a myriad of leftist political positions. And they have indirectly supported each of those outrages with portions of their offerings. Perhaps some will finally leave, but I suspect that most will find a way to rationalize and accomodate this latest headlong slide toward the abyss.

10 posted on 05/11/2011 5:57:38 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: iowamark

“Ichabod”—the glory has departed the church.

In 97 the non-denominational church I was part of sold their building to a Presbyterian(U.S.A.) outfit. The plan was to buy another building closer to the city and the poor. Instead our pastor stole from the congregation. The church fell and is no more. I sometimes walk by the building where this other church still operates and shake my head. They are pro-gay, pro-choice, and anti-Israel. Why do any sane people attend there? One steals from the flock while the other fills their heads with nonsense.


“Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.

But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’

He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”—Matthew 13:24-30


11 posted on 05/11/2011 6:10:48 AM PDT by Bed_Zeppelin
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To: iowamark

I think it boils down to Mo Money in the coffers.


12 posted on 05/11/2011 7:01:45 AM PDT by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: iowamark
"on Tuesday struck down a barrier to ordaining gays, ratifying a proposal that removes the celibacy requirement for unmarried clergy"

So, for PCUSA not only homosexual behavior but fornication in general is now just peachy keen. Why do they even bother pretending the Bible means anything to them anymore?

13 posted on 05/11/2011 7:10:33 AM PDT by circlecity
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14 posted on 05/11/2011 7:15:01 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: nerdwithagun

In the Episcopal church the break away parishes have been sued for the property the occupy by the head quarters of the church. This has been very, very messy and heartbreaking for those faithful who wanted to stay true to the constant moral teaching of Scripture.

I hope this can be avoided for those Presbyterians wanting to break away from the parent body.


15 posted on 05/11/2011 8:01:25 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: lastchance

Some of the new churches that have grown up in place of the old Episcopal Churches are pretty exciting, though. There’s a new invigoration that would never have happened under the old church.


16 posted on 05/11/2011 8:04:12 AM PDT by Eva
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To: BikerJoe

Ditto.


17 posted on 05/11/2011 8:04:42 AM PDT by greatplains
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To: HGSW0904

If you’ve ever read any theological justification for the blessing of homosexual behavior you will see the contortins that are engaged in to reach the conclusion. To sum up.
“The Shell Fish Argument.”
“Jesus Never Said Anything About Faithful Homosexual Relationships.”
“The Bible Condemns Homosexual Rape not Committed Loving Relationships.”
“Those Who Wrote The Bible Did Not Know About Committed Loving Homosexual Relationships.”
“The Bible Has Been Used To Justify Lots Of Things We Now Know Are Wrong, Slavery For Example.”
“The Holy Ghost Told Us It Was O.K.”
“It Can Not Be Sin Because People Are Born That Way.”

Reading any of the papers based on any or all of the above arguments will have you bemoaning the state of seminary education these days.


18 posted on 05/11/2011 8:07:27 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: iowamark
Differences over the Bible and homosexuality have split Protestant groups nationally and worldwide for years. Within the Presbyterian Church, about 100 of the 11,000 congregations had already broken away ahead of the vote, but a group of large theologically conservative congregations, which calls itself Fellowship, has decided to remain in the denomination for now.

< sigh>. A lot of those that won't put up with this, have already exited. At some point (not yet, but some time) all that will be left will be a withered leftist pagan core.

19 posted on 05/11/2011 8:07:31 AM PDT by Lee N. Field (Never argue eschatology with a crazy person.)
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To: Rappini

Their ASA will plummet and that will not mean more money in the coffers.


20 posted on 05/11/2011 8:08:33 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: HGSW0904

I forgot one.
“The Bible Gives Us Examples of Loving Homosexual Relationships such as David and Jonathan.”


21 posted on 05/11/2011 8:09:48 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: John O

Wow, taking the wide road.... Read somewhere that it leads to a rather hot spot.


22 posted on 05/11/2011 8:27:56 AM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Pretty soon everything in this country will be "free", except it's people!)
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To: Chode; Cronos

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23 posted on 05/11/2011 9:24:23 AM PDT by Morgana (I speak no more)
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To: John O; iowamark
Well it’s official now. The PC(USA) is no longer Christian.

My wife and I are members of a PCUSA church, but I no longer attend. Actually, as I understand what the PCUSA has done, from what I have read, is that churches can choose to have a gay minister or not. It will be a decision at the local level. A gay minister cannot be foisted on a congregation without its consent.

That said, I cannot stand any longer to be part of a church that has obviously been taken over by gays and pro-aborts and anti-Israel idiots.

I think there are two reasons the gays are successful in taking over so many churches:

1.) Many of the members have gay relatives, either children or siblings. They don't want to condemn their own childrens' lifestyles; so they vote to overturn the Bible to do away with their chirren's sin.

2.) They no little or nothing of the Bible and what it really means. There are actually people who profess to be Christians who believe that when Jesus ate and drank with sinners that he was endorsing their lifestyle. The most important commandment for these fake Christians is not found in the Bible: "Be tolerant."

24 posted on 05/11/2011 12:39:37 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Anti-Hillary
The bible says that we are to know our brothers by the fruit which they bear. Encouraging people to practice homosexual behavior (and thuisly condemning them to hell) is about as far from what Christ would want them to do as you can get.

What did Christ say to any sinner he confronted? "Go and sin no more" He never said "We'll just call it OK and you can do whatever you want".

You cannot be a Christian without following Christ. If you are working to promote what Christ hates (in this case homosexual behavior) then you are not following Christ.

25 posted on 05/11/2011 2:00:20 PM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: lastchance

Now that they have consolidated their gains, the fornication and polyamory crowd are also starting to stick their heads up. Sample chapters include:

“The Bible Nowhere Establishes Heterosexual Monogamy as the Norm for Sexual Relations”

“The Jews were Polygamous Until the Tenth Century”

“Nothing in Scripture Says Christians Have to Be Married or Monogamous to Enjoy Sex”

“Jesus’ Mother Was Only One of a Number of Sister-Wives / Concubines of Joseph”

“Monogamous Marriage is a Later Corrupt Creation of the Catholic Church”


26 posted on 05/11/2011 2:54:43 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Morgana
where's the lighting when you need it???
27 posted on 05/11/2011 3:36:44 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: iowamark

And all the people said, “Unnngh!”


28 posted on 05/11/2011 3:39:57 PM PDT by RichInOC ("Rule One: NO POOFTERS!")
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To: kaehurowing

So funny and oh so sad at the same time.


29 posted on 05/11/2011 4:22:55 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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