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Presbyterian Church gives OK to ordain leaders who are gay
Gaston Gazette ^ | 13 May 2011 | Amanda Memrick

Posted on 05/13/2011 3:39:15 AM PDT by Cronos

The church’s constitution used to have a requirement to “live either in fidelity within the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman or chastity in singleness” for church officers. The amendment change removes that stipulation and requires church leaders to “submit joyfully to the Lordship of Jesus Christ in all aspects of life.”...

The changes also state that the governing body responsible for ordaining ministers or installing lay leaders should examine each candidate’s calling, gifts, preparation and suitability for the responsibilities of office.

“Governing bodies shall be guided by Scripture and the confessions in applying standards to individual candidates,” it states.

(Excerpt) Read more at gastongazette.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: gaychurch; homosexualagenda; pca; pcusa; presbyterian
From the article
“We can disagree with each other but we can still exist under the same denominational title. Presbyterians have been dealing with this issue for at least 30 years, and many of us think there are more important missional issues,” Davenport said. “The mission of the church and the proclamation of the gospel is more important that wrangling over sexual issues, and I hope we’re moving in that direction to get over this, to put our focus on what we think is more important, which is the proclamation of the gospel and the salvation of the world rather than arguing about sex all the time.”
Obsessed with it aren't they?
1 posted on 05/13/2011 3:39:23 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

> the proclamation of the gospel is more important that
> wrangling over sexual issues

Let me guess.

“Go and sin no more” is not a part of their gospel.

Neither is being “born again” into life anew.

Neither is becoming a “new creature” whereby “old things are passed away”.


2 posted on 05/13/2011 3:58:11 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Westbrook

Okay kiddies, in Sunday School this morning we’re going to learn the real story about David and Jonathon . . . .


3 posted on 05/13/2011 4:01:51 AM PDT by Bertha Fanation
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To: Cronos

Why don’t these perverted, anti-Biblical, anti-God “Presbyterians” just go and switch to Unitarianism and be done with it?

Oh, that’s right. Because their goal is not to find a church that supports what they believe in. Their goal is to subvert as many churches and bring them down into darkness as possible.

Defund them by withholding “offerings.”


4 posted on 05/13/2011 4:09:53 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Cronos

I wonder how many confessing churches in the PCUSA will react to this heresy and leave that apostate denomination to join those of us in the PCA and the OPC who still hold a high view of scripture.


5 posted on 05/13/2011 4:12:37 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: Cronos

“submit joyfully to the Lordship of Jesus Christ in all aspects of life.” = worship at the alter of a god of your own making.

Idolatry in full swing.


6 posted on 05/13/2011 4:15:42 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: P8riot

The problem is, as experessed on other threads — what if these folks bring their liberal strain. They will slowly destroy these other groups from within.


7 posted on 05/13/2011 4:19:32 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Cronos

That is no Chirch... it is a gay social club.

LLS


8 posted on 05/13/2011 4:19:54 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH!)
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To: Bertha Fanation

> Okay kiddies, in Sunday School this morning we’re going
> to learn the real story about David and Jonathon . . . .

All of David’s dirty laundry was hung out to dry in the Bible. If there was any violation of Mosaic Law, it was reported in the books of Samuel, Kings and Chronicles.

In fact, one of the measures of a good king was one who drove the sodomites out of the land. One of the measures of a bad king was one who allowed them to flourish.

David, because of his repentence and desire to right the wrongs, was called a man after God’s own heart.

I don’t think any of the pro-sodomite clergy measure up to that.


9 posted on 05/13/2011 4:21:03 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: 1010RD

Now they can be gay in Jesus. Thus the institutional church is unmasked. The cross is exchanged for the skull and crossbones. They have become, for all to see, agents of chaos, not soldiers of the Way of Christ. Why do we struggle against sexual immorality? Jesus said we shall be known by our fruit, not by being fruity.


10 posted on 05/13/2011 4:35:01 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: Cronos

And I give my OK for them to remove the word “Church” from their title.


11 posted on 05/13/2011 4:35:06 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Yes, but there is a lot of church property, including some truly beautiful churches, at stake here.


12 posted on 05/13/2011 4:53:05 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: squarebarb; PBRSTREETGANG

So they are choosing between following Christ or worshipping their building? Who is “the church”? The people or the building?


13 posted on 05/13/2011 5:47:46 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Cronos

The PCA is very strong on church discipline. Just speaking for our Session and Presbytery this type of thing would not last long.


14 posted on 05/13/2011 5:52:10 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Yes, agreed, the people are the church. What I am saying is that I have read about other situations like this where gay/lesbian activists have driven ordinary people away from a church and then remain in possession of the church’s propeerty, sort of a power grab. A money grab. And it was ordinary people’s contributions that built the church and the community halls etc.


15 posted on 05/13/2011 6:06:24 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: P8riot

Perhaps, but you need to screen folks coming from the PCUSA.


16 posted on 05/13/2011 6:08:59 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Cronos

This same sophistry and treachery waa attempted in the Episcopal Church:

1) I bring up a change I want.

2) When denied what I want, I persist in bringing it up. For DECADES

3) Then I say you ought to let me have my way so that “we” can stop talking about it and “do something more important,” — more important, that is, than the thing I brought up and I perseverated in.

And people actually fall for this!


17 posted on 05/13/2011 6:12:41 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: P8riot
I wonder how many confessing churches in the PCUSA will react to this heresy and leave that apostate denomination to join those of us in the PCA and the OPC who still hold a high view of scripture.

Or, how many churches or individual Ptrsbyterians will go to the Bible Presbyterians, or the Free Presbyterians, or even to independent Presbyterian churches?

18 posted on 05/13/2011 6:14:51 AM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful.)
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To: squarebarb

And all the homosexuals got was an empty building.


19 posted on 05/13/2011 6:16:35 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Mad Dawg
Then I say you ought to let me have my way so that “we” can stop talking about it and “do something more important,” — more important, that is, than the thing I brought up and I perseverated in.

Exactly -- a false sense of "democracy".

20 posted on 05/13/2011 6:17:36 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Bible Presbyterian

www.bpc.org

Free Presbyterian

www.fpcna.org

And there are many independent Presbyterian local churches around the country.


21 posted on 05/13/2011 6:24:02 AM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful.)
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To: Cronos
Presbyterian Church gives OK to ordain leaders who are gay

Yabut, what about child molesters, rapists, ax murderers and other democrats? They're people too.

What about their rights to become clergy?

22 posted on 05/13/2011 6:29:29 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month...April.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
So they are choosing between following Christ or worshipping their building? Who is “the church”? The people or the building?

It's really not about either. It's about Christ. I don't think they are worshiping the building; rather, they are worshiping themselves.

23 posted on 05/13/2011 6:30:38 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: squarebarb
...including some truly beautiful churches...

Should be served well by an army of interior decorators.

24 posted on 05/13/2011 6:30:51 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Have you read the latest that now the gays are ticked off that those supporting polyamory are using the same tactics? Wait until everything is allowed...


25 posted on 05/13/2011 6:31:22 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Cronos

They aren’t just allowing gay priests. They have lifted the requirement that non-married priests lead a celibate lifestyle. So fornication is A-OK in the PCUSA. Jesus who?


26 posted on 05/13/2011 6:34:06 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Cronos
Today the PCUSA, tomorrow the OPC might well be the recipient of these candidates. These new worshipers might well bolster the OPC numbers which has been sagging as of late. One wonders if these future members will temper the anti Catholic attitude continuously exhibited by OPC members on this forum in various threads.
27 posted on 05/13/2011 6:53:02 AM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Unfortunately they worship their sin. And will destroy anything that disagrees with that. Their only identifier IS their sin.


28 posted on 05/13/2011 7:14:25 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Cronos
This will quickly be followed by allowing homo-fake "marriage" in the Politically Correct Church USA. Watch.

When sodomites "win," they go all out.

29 posted on 05/14/2011 8:42:32 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: fwdude

True.


30 posted on 05/14/2011 8:51:28 PM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Westbrook

> the proclamation of the gospel is more important that
> wrangling over sexual issues

yeah sure, but what you do, and more importantly, what you condone, affects whether or not plenty of people will feel the love of Christ. Does anyone think that if I tried being a christian missionary who ignores issues by being a womanizer, I would really share the love of Christ with others? I CERTAINLY DON’T.


31 posted on 05/16/2011 11:14:36 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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