Posted on 05/13/2011 8:27:14 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Vatican told Catholic bishops around the world on Friday they had to obey a papal order allowing priests to say the old-style Latin mass for traditionalist Catholics, whether they liked it or not.
The Vatican issued an "instruction" to bishops as a follow-up to a 2007 papal decree authorizing the wider adoption of the Latin Mass, which was in universal use before the 1962-1965 Vatican Council introduced masses in local languages.
...The five-page instruction from the Vatican's doctrinal department, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, made it clear that the pope wants bishops to follow his orders.
...While couched in polite, institutional language, the instruction said local parishes had to insert a Latin mass into their liturgical schedules if tradionalist faithful wanted it.
...A Vatican official said recently that only a third of the world's bishops responded to a Vatican questionnaire and that prejudice against the old mass was "still widespread."
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In fact, prior to Vatican II, every Sunday missal had the English translation. I was an altar boy back in the 60's. My first few years were during the old Latin masses. I loved it. Took a little while to learn all that Latin though. I would love to see a return of at least one Latin mass a week offered in our Diocese.
High Mass is sung (chanted), Low Mass is said.
Latin Mass rocks!!!
Not a joke. I know that it is common in the Catholic church to NOT actually read the bible. So it is common that many Catholics aren’t aware of what the bible actually says.
This is just to advocate reading God’s word.
tongues in the bible has two meanings.
1. Referring to known foreign languages
2. Referring to a spiritual gift and language for personal prayer to God.
I don’t think anyone can deny that Latin is a foreign language. As a spoken language, it is virtually a dead language.
In either case, speaking in tongues is not allowed in the church without interpreters. That is, people to translate into a commonly known language, by the hearers, for the reasons explained in the bible, in First Corinthians.
1 Corinthians 14:
27. If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28 If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.
1 Corinthians 14:
6 Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9 So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11 If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. 12 So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.
13 For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15 So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding. 16 Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,[d] say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17 You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.
18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
23 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?
39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.
Meaning interpreters.
Yours is rather tortured understanding of the Bible:
1) Does that mean that if I go to Mass in an ethnic neighborhood and they do a mass in the language of the congregation — and do not provide an interpreter, they are FORBIDDEN because I do not speak that language? I don’t think so.
2) The rest of the passages you quote deal with the “speaking in tongues” and are a follow-up to what I spoke of.
3) This is Catholicism — the Pontiff is charged with first and foremost establishing a working interpretation of Scripture for the Church.
I could grab a handful of Bible quotes and make them anything I want them to say. That isn’t the point of the OP, nor the underlying issue.
Not a Roman Catholic myself, but you can't be this ignorant.
Latin is a very cool language.
It also continues to be the worldwide language of medicine and law.
I wish I could speak it better but I can’t even seem to master Spanish and my in-laws are all in Mexico!
BWAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
I can safely ignore whatever follows ...
BWAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
I can safely ignore whatever follows ...
Thank you.
>>In fact, prior to Vatican II...<<
I remember my Parish priest’s guide to the Vaticans:
Vatican I - Old School Priests, Nuns with rulers, Mass in Latin, etc.
Vatican II — the “cool” young priests (like the then-young Bing Crosby in “Going My Way”), Mass in English, Nuns with rulers, etc.
Vatican III — Bishops and priests can have wives
Vatican IV — Bishops and priests can have husbands
>>I can safely ignore whatever follows ...<<
People who think when they read the King James version of the Bible they are reading “The” Bible crack me up in general.
Scripture is always within an interpretive framework.
>>I’m pretty sure that XVL isn’t even a Roman numeral<<
Hmm — 50 minus 5 minus 10 — or is it 50 minus 5 plus 5 minus 10 —
I come up with eleventy-seven
I love how often people who “know” so much about about other religions and the Bible will then pretend Jesus did a grape juice miracle, since they “read” so very well.
Do what I do, just ignore the whole thing...LOL.
My kids’ Catholic school must not have that memo that says we can’t read the Bible. They each have a verse to memorize each week, and my 6th grader is quite proficient in reciting large verses to me on a regular basis. She also just received the ‘Covenant Award,’ voted the girl in her class who follows God’s teachings (more specifically, the 10 Commandments—wait, don’t those come from the Bible? hmmm...)
lol!!!
Obviously, I didn't actually read it. Oh, no. Catholics NEVER do that. I just dog-eared random pages, and scribbled mindlessly with the highlighter.
BWAHAHAHAHahahahaha!
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