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US megachurch volunteer charged with child abuse
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Posted on 05/14/2011 4:54:31 AM PDT by Gamecock

WASHINGTON — A volunteer..has been charged with sexually abusing an autistic child.

Alvaro Daniel Guzman, 25, was charged with indecency with a child over a February 2010 incident at a Lakewood Church activities program for special needs children, according to local media reports in Houston. The arrest warrant was issued on Tuesday but Guzman is still free.

Lakewood is a Protestant "megachurch" run by pastor Joel Osteen, whose weekend services draw more than 40,000 people. Osteen's television ministry is broadcast in dozens of countries.

Guzman allegedly fondled an 8-year-old autistic boy while he helped him climb into a play structure. Another adult volunteer allegedly witnessed the event and reported it to church officials and authorities.

The arrest warrant was issued this week. As of Saturday, Guzman was not in custody, according to the Harris County Sheriff's Office.

Guzman had passed a criminal background check, according to the church. It said there were three adult volunteers in the Champions Club room at the time of the incident, which occurred during a church service.

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KEYWORDS: abuse; alvaroguzman; joelosteen; pedophile; sexabuse

1 posted on 05/14/2011 4:54:33 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: RnMomof7; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy; Dr. Scarpetta
From the article:
Another adult volunteer allegedly witnessed the event and reported it to church officials and authorities.

The arrest warrant was issued this week. As of Saturday, Guzman was not in custody, according to the Harris County Sheriff's Office.

Lakewood Church, in a statement posted on its web site, said Guzman was "immediately removed" from volunteer services and that state authorities were "notified immediately."

Interesting that when this was discovered they didn't quietly transfer him to another megachurch.

2 posted on 05/14/2011 4:58:02 AM PDT by Gamecock (It's not eat drink and be merry because tommow we die, but do so because yesterday we were dead.)
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To: Gamecock
Seems Lakewood handled this appropriately.

Now for other news..........Mega President accused of gay affairs, shadowed by murders of his ex-lovers and trysts with hard-core communists.....continues to occupy the WH....

3 posted on 05/14/2011 5:06:58 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: Gamecock

We had a latino by the name of Guzman here in our town

here in mid-Tn...he was taken back to Houston for

bashing in a 10 yo`s head 11 yrs ago


4 posted on 05/14/2011 5:42:05 AM PDT by Harold Shea (RVN `70 - `71)
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To: Gamecock

For those who say it is only Catholics.....huh! So there.


5 posted on 05/14/2011 5:53:11 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Gamecock

Public school teachers do this all the time. Men. Women. Yeah, it sometimes makes the news but the media doesn’t imply that public education is broken and needs to be shutdown. However, when it happens at some kind of religious institution it always seems to be a general condemnation of the whole institution, not just the sicko who was actually involved. Weird, huh?


6 posted on 05/14/2011 6:09:16 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Gamecock

Perhaps a Satanist infiltrating the church to damage it? It has been know to happen. Google “Presidio affair”.


7 posted on 05/14/2011 6:13:25 AM PDT by JusPasenThru (HEY UNION MEMBER: INVEST IN YOUR OWN DAMN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A CHANGE!)
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To: Gamecock
Guzman allegedly fondled an 8-year-old autistic boy while he helped him climb into a play structure. Another adult volunteer allegedly witnessed the event and reported it to church officials and authorities.

That's it? No way in the world would I ever vote to convict based on this "evidence". The guy was helping a kid get on on a play structure. If he wanted to fondle kids, he wouldn't be doing it doing this in front of other adults in a very public area.

8 posted on 05/14/2011 6:40:48 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan
If he wanted to fondle kids, he wouldn't be doing it doing this in front of other adults in a very public area.

I hope you don't believe that.

9 posted on 05/14/2011 6:57:41 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Stay focused: Debt, Deficits, Immigration.)
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To: newzjunkey

You’d vote to convict based only on what’s in the article?

If so, it’s people like you that sat on juries in all the false abuse cases in the past. Not saying the guy didn’t do anything, but you’ve got to have more than that for a conviction.


10 posted on 05/14/2011 7:41:36 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Gamecock
Interesting that when this was discovered they didn't quietly transfer him to another megachurch.

That is the way we handle sin GC , bring it to the light ... That gives the sinner time to repent and keeps the church children safe ..

11 posted on 05/14/2011 7:46:23 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: napscoordinator; RnMomof7; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy
For those who say it is only Catholics.....huh! So there.

Who said that? Not me.

What I have said is the Roman Catholic Church has, at some level, fostered the abuse of children by moving those engaged in this sin from one parish to another. No church discipline, no involvement of the authorities. Just moved priests who rape children from one unsuspecting house of worship to another.

I have no love lost for the above mentioned church, but they did the right thing.

12 posted on 05/14/2011 7:59:06 AM PDT by Gamecock (It's not eat drink and be merry because tommow we die, but do so because yesterday we were dead.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I didn’t see anyone saying Osteen’s church should be shut down for this.

I can say it needs to be shut down for other reasons, but not that....


13 posted on 05/14/2011 8:08:08 AM PDT by Gamecock (It's not eat drink and be merry because tommow we die, but do so because yesterday we were dead.)
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14 posted on 05/14/2011 8:12:30 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Gamecock
Perhaps not Osteen's church but certainly people have done their best to put the Catholic Church out of business because some priests have committed crimes.

I'm all for punishing criminals. But I see some cases where people use individual crimes as a lever to fight Christianity. If they can do that, then I would want to end government schools because Ms Suzy in Baton Rouge slept with a kid on the football team.

15 posted on 05/14/2011 8:14:41 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Gamecock

Articles like this do not belong in the Religion Forum. This is a crime story, period. The victims happen to be children, churches, congregations, Christianity, and ultimately Jesus.


16 posted on 05/14/2011 8:16:13 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: napscoordinator; Gamecock
For those who say it is only Catholics.....huh! So there.

Huh?? No one has said that ...what is significant about the Catholic issue is that there was a conspiracy at the highest level of Catholicism to cover up and deny the abuse and thus to foster the continuation of it by their actions..

17 posted on 05/14/2011 8:17:39 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Natural Law
Articles like this do not belong in the Religion Forum. This is a crime story, period.

Ya think?

When starting new threads, and selecting the topic line, the following option is given: Current Events. Which is defined as: Religion or religion-related news of the day.

This happened in a church, that makes it religion related news.

18 posted on 05/14/2011 8:59:28 AM PDT by Gamecock (It's not eat drink and be merry because tommow we die, but do so because yesterday we were dead.)
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To: Gamecock

“Guzman allegedly fondled an 8-year-old autistic boy while he helped him climb into a play structure. Another adult volunteer allegedly witnessed the event and reported it to church officials and authorities.”

That statement is very vague and I can see where a perfectly innocent physical contact could be misconstrued in such a circumstance. How likely is it that someone would inappropriatly fondle a child in the presence of witnesses?


19 posted on 05/14/2011 12:37:11 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: napscoordinator

I would take no joy if any church employee or pastor truly was guilty of sexual abuse.


20 posted on 05/14/2011 12:39:02 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: JusPasenThru

Aquino’s Temple of Set?


21 posted on 05/14/2011 12:39:58 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Gamecock
"This happened in a church, that makes it religion related news."

You could just as easily have chosen News/Activism and then selected Crime/Corruption, Culture/Society, or News/Current Events. You made this a Religion Forum thread by choice. Why would you do that if not to provide a forum sectarian discord?

22 posted on 05/14/2011 1:58:12 PM PDT by Natural Law (Solum Jesum, ut Ecclesiam suam docuit)
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To: RnMomof7
"That is the way we handle sin GC , bring it to the light ... "

That simply defies the facts. We know from published reports that there are hundreds of settlements between the companies that insure Protestant churches and the victims annually. There is no way you or anyone else knows the details of "the way we handle it" in the of hundreds of cases that are settled under non-disclosure agreements.

23 posted on 05/14/2011 2:06:58 PM PDT by Natural Law (Solum Jesum, ut Ecclesiam suam docuit)
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To: RnMomof7; All

“...what is significant about the Catholic issue is that there was a conspiracy at the highest level of Catholicism to cover up and deny the abuse and thus to foster the continuation of it by their actions..”

Which no longer happens in the Catholic Churches or other mainline Churches for over a decade since the advent of an excellent program since applied by many other Institutions. They all did the same thing along with ALL denominations - they did EXACTLY as they were told to do by pychiatrists as it pertained to knowledge at that time.

Unfortunately though it continues to happen in other denominations to this day...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2709296/posts


24 posted on 05/14/2011 2:29:27 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Gamecock

“fondled” him while helping lift him onto a play structure?

You mean, boosted him by pushing his bottom? actually touching his trunk while lifting him?

Opened his fly and fondled his genitals while lifting the 80 pound kid?

Sounds a bit bogus to me. It’s not easy to lift up an 8 year old...


25 posted on 05/14/2011 4:11:41 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: LadyDoc

Bogus?

Would you be saying that if this were about a priest?


26 posted on 05/14/2011 4:18:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: napscoordinator

I don’t see anyone saying it’s only Catholics.

Got a link to that?


27 posted on 05/14/2011 5:42:12 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: LadyDoc

Innocent until proved guilty is the Catholic battle cry, except when it’s a non-Catholic involved.

I agree with you. It’s a very vague charge and only a charge. If the guy put his hands down the kids pants, or grabbed him in the crotch, that would be suspicious alright, but someone who knows he is being watched is not likely to abuse in broad daylight in front of a crowd, and is not likely to have done more than boost the kid up on playground equipment. Some 8 year olds can be pretty hefty.


28 posted on 05/14/2011 5:48:40 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Natural Law
Articles like this do not belong in the Religion Forum. This is a crime story, period. The victims happen to be children, churches, congregations, Christianity, and ultimately Jesus.

I just read 3 John today. The book is a letter to a church about stupid things one of the members was doing that caused hardships to believers. That's pretty much what this article is about.

29 posted on 05/14/2011 8:33:57 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: RnMomof7
For those who say it is only Catholics.....huh! So there.

Who in the world ever said that????

30 posted on 05/14/2011 8:36:05 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: metmom

innocent until guilty seems to be forgotten in these cases. About half the cases (nearly all female) that I examined turned out to be false alarms or minor touching.

I remember the 1970s and 1980s when these cases were not prosecuted because the prosecution was worse for the child and often the cross examination was so hard that the child was traumatized. So if there was no good physical evidence, we often either dropped the case or went for a plea bargain.

But I also remember when psychiatrists emptied the sexual predator jails in California because out patient treatment was more appropriate. And I know women, who when warned their boyfriends had abused children in their previous marriage, who dated them anyway. Sigh...


31 posted on 05/14/2011 10:37:27 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: lastchance
Aquino’s Temple of Set?

Exactly. One of the perps had gone to seminary. He later died of AIDS. An undercover agent for Satan himself.

32 posted on 05/15/2011 5:16:35 AM PDT by JusPasenThru (HEY UNION MEMBER: INVEST IN YOUR OWN DAMN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A CHANGE!)
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To: bronxville
Which no longer happens in the Catholic Churches

And you know this how? Based on THEIR word??

Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil.

33 posted on 05/15/2011 5:32:43 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; bronxville
"Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil."

Are you telling us that, even though you say you have converted from Catholicism, you are still the same dispicable wretch as when you were a filthy Papist?

34 posted on 05/15/2011 7:19:00 AM PDT by Natural Law (Solum Jesum, ut Ecclesiam suam docuit)
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To: Natural Law; RnMomof7

I wrote -> “Which no longer happens in the Catholic Churches or other mainline Churches...”

Megabarf! She cut off the last part of my sentence, then uses Holy Scripture to claim a righteous indignation against my faith, a pure evil Alinsky tactic.


35 posted on 05/15/2011 1:12:48 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville
"Megabarf! She cut off the last part of my sentence, then uses Holy Scripture to claim a righteous indignation against my faith, a pure evil Alinsky tactic."

You are not surprised are you? Nothing in Calvinism is based upon an honest portrayal of the truth.

36 posted on 05/15/2011 1:21:48 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law; RnMomof7

I grew up being called a harlot, whore of babylon, jezabel, papist, etc., so no surprise there as it’s like water of a ducks back but I’m always shocked at the twisted abuse of the Holy Bible.


37 posted on 05/15/2011 3:36:50 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Gamecock

Related story: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2720223/posts


38 posted on 05/15/2011 4:12:24 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Gamecock; Mad Dawg
bluntly, this, like all other molestation or embezzlement or other criminal cases are criminal cases, not religious. This has no relationship to the doctrine or dogma of Joel Osteen.

A non-Christian reading this may connect in his/her head as an indictment against Christianity as a whole. Just like when Pastor Terry Jones burnt a Koran, the Moslems didn't go just to attack Terry's 50-person group, but attacked Catholic, Orthodox, Baptist etc. churches -- these folks don't care, we're all the same

This doesn't tell me anything about Joel Osteen's dogma and I don't see it as a religious issue at all.

39 posted on 05/17/2011 12:37:34 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Cronos

Well said.

It’s just sad.


40 posted on 05/17/2011 5:36:13 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; Gamecock

It is sad, especially for the victim, but also for the accused (or criminal) — he’s destroyed a life and has to live with this knowledge in this world and the next.


41 posted on 05/17/2011 5:42:50 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: RnMomof7

Undetected crime is on the increase!

It’s lovely to hear that you are not as other men are: adulterers, molesters, ... or even as these Catholics.


42 posted on 05/17/2011 5:44:20 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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