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Static on the airwaves ("the rapture"?)
World Magazine ^ | Chu/Glader

Posted on 05/14/2011 7:03:25 AM PDT by flowerplough

Christian radio tycoon says the world will end May 21—and surprising numbers believe him.

Ralph Workman believes what he hears on Christian radio. He believes preacher and Family Radio chief Harold Camping is right about Judgment Day. He believes the world is coming to an end May 21, 2011.

An engineer at Boeing's avionics lab, Workman helps manage an RV caravan winding its way around the United States—from Indianapolis to Pittsburgh to Virginia—sharing the belief that biblical numbers point to the specific expiration date for the world. He also runs a website called eBible Fellowship, which distributes Camping's teachings. "I hope many people will get saved and God will have mercy like Nineveh, but most are just scoffers," Workman said. Even his wife does not agree with him on Camping's teaching.

The timing coincides with earthquakes, tsunamis, and Middle East turmoil, feeding greater than usual response to end-times predictions. It precedes the Mayan 2012 prediction, which broke into popular culture through the 2009 big budget movie 2012 . Theologians, former listeners, and skeptics warn that Camping's teaching is unbiblical, prediction off-base, and message harmful to followers. But many seem to be listening to Camping rather than his critics—funding ads, signs, and postings from Iceland to India, along with YouTube videos, some with more than 300,000 views and titles like "Rapture Soon," "Jesus Coming," and of course "May 21, 2011." Family Radio is sponsoring the caravan of four RVs, plastered with Camping's message, and has bought space on 1,000 billboards nationwide.

This is Camping's latest prediction after followers were disappointed in 1994, when he gave a range of dates.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldmag.com ...


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KEYWORDS: fundies; hallindsey; haroldcamping; kookalert; rapture; religiousgrifters; religiouskooks; thistimeforsure; timlahaye
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Surprising numbers believe?

Who's surprised?

Some of these idiots will be, though, come 22 May.

1 posted on 05/14/2011 7:03:27 AM PDT by flowerplough
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To: flowerplough

I’m begging Harold Camping and his followers to make notarized wills irrevocably giving Free Republic all their assets as of midnight May 21, 2011.


2 posted on 05/14/2011 7:08:53 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: flowerplough

In hindsight, a lot of people here would welcome the rapture or face another day of living under the obama regime.


3 posted on 05/14/2011 7:09:35 AM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: flowerplough
Some of these idiots will be, though, come 22 May.

Boneheads like this rarely learn. They are just as likely to believe the next preacher/con artist who sets a new date for the rapture.

4 posted on 05/14/2011 7:09:49 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: flowerplough

amazing thing is that some many idiots are up tight over this and to the point of demonizing the guy for his religious beiefs...so whaT IF HIS BELIEFS DIFFER FROM OTHERS, HIS RIGHT, HIS CHOICE, HIS BUSINESS...LIVE AND LET LIVE...but many, apparently, don’t have the right stuff to get that, I’m afraid...perhaps one of the big reasons our Republic has slipped away.

Semper Nonsense!

Gunny G
aka: Dick Gaines
*****


5 posted on 05/14/2011 7:10:03 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: flowerplough
He believes the world is coming to an end May 21, 2011.

If he's right, it means I will win the lottery on May 20th.

6 posted on 05/14/2011 7:13:41 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: flowerplough

I really really really hate when a Christian date sets.


7 posted on 05/14/2011 7:15:33 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: flowerplough

Tell you what I plan on getting up before sunrise, making coffee, and watching the sun come up next Saturday...how about you?


8 posted on 05/14/2011 7:17:37 AM PDT by jrd
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To: flowerplough

No man will know. It’s bunk.


9 posted on 05/14/2011 7:18:01 AM PDT by Grunthor (RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
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To: max americana

Heck, I’d welcome the rapture, I just don’t believe that anyone knows when it’s going to happen.


10 posted on 05/14/2011 7:19:02 AM PDT by Grunthor (RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
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To: jrd

The Rapture should occur ANY time now, we’re already years into the “birth pangs” we are so very close, Jesus is coming, praise the Lord of Lords, King of Kings, Jesus Christ will return shortly.


11 posted on 05/14/2011 7:20:23 AM PDT by IamCenny
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To: MsLady

Maybe he was on one of those Christian dating sites?


12 posted on 05/14/2011 7:21:21 AM PDT by excopconservative (organize4palin.com (what are you doing to save your country?))
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To: flowerplough
I hope many people will get saved and God will have mercy like Nineveh.......

By this statement they are giving themselves an out. When this event doesn't happen they will claim it is because enough people repented and God changed His mind.


13 posted on 05/14/2011 7:23:04 AM PDT by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: flowerplough

I want to be more like Martin Luther who threw open his window and say, “is today the day, my Lord?” I try to think every day is a potential for the return of Christ. And that’s the key, I guess, your soul must be prepared each and every day, and you must repent for your sins each and every day, which is why I don’t like charlatan pastors setting dates.


14 posted on 05/14/2011 7:23:17 AM PDT by swatbuznik
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To: flowerplough

What does it matter what day he comes? If you are living your life in service to the king, what does it matter? Its not like He is going to come and you will miss it? Jesus even said he does not know the day nor hour, so why would we know?


15 posted on 05/14/2011 7:24:28 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: flowerplough

This false prediction is going to finish off Camping for sure.


16 posted on 05/14/2011 7:25:11 AM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: Grunthor
Heck, I’d welcome the rapture, I just don’t believe that anyone knows when it’s going to happen.

Here's an interesting thing that shows why knowledge of customs and practices well-known in the time that scripture was written is indispensable in correctly interpreting it:

I was just reading NT Wright’s book about Paul. In this he was discussing the text at I Thess 4 regarding the ‘parousia’ of the Lord. He said the background for this word has no counterpart in OT scriptures but refers to the practice of a Greek or Roman emperor or king paying a state visit. Before he even enters the city the people go out of the city to meet him. Not for a meeting outside the city or to go away somewhere (ie the pretrib rapture) but to greet him and to accompany him back into the city. So the “meeting the Lord in the air” is not preparatory of being whisked away from the evil in the world but to meet him and accompany him in his triumphant return to the earth as Lord, savior, and judge.
17 posted on 05/14/2011 7:26:06 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: GreenHornet

lol...I hear ya.


18 posted on 05/14/2011 7:28:05 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: aruanan

I don’t believe that the Protestant argument for the rapture is any more of a stretch than the Catholic argument for “purgatory.”


19 posted on 05/14/2011 7:29:29 AM PDT by Grunthor (RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
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To: gunnyg
amazing thing is that some many idiots are up tight over this and to the point of demonizing the guy for his religious beiefs...so whaT IF HIS BELIEFS DIFFER FROM OTHERS, HIS RIGHT, HIS CHOICE, HIS BUSINESS...LIVE AND LET LIVE...but many, apparently, don’t have the right stuff to get that, I’m afraid...perhaps one of the big reasons our Republic has slipped away.

No, he is free to believe what he wants, no one is disputing that. He's still an idiot though. No one can predict the rapture. No one knows if it is close or far. It could be next month or it could be 10,000 years from now. There is nothing wrong with pointing out stupid. If this were some African cult predicting end times everyone would be laughing at these people, but because they claim to be Christians a few folks will defend them.

20 posted on 05/14/2011 7:29:28 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: aruanan

You wrote:

“He said the background for this word has no counterpart in OT scriptures...”

Nonsense. It’s right there in 2 Maccabees 8:12 and 15:21. That’s why people who have complete Bibles (unlike most Protestants) aren’t freaking out over all of this rapture nonsense.


21 posted on 05/14/2011 7:31:26 AM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't debate they just make stuff up.)
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To: gunnyg

so many idiots are uptight over this and to the point of demonizing the guy for his religious beliefs?

Idiots like Jesus?

from Matthew 24 (in the “New Testament”, in the “Bible”):

For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. “Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. “Behold, I have told you in advance. “So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. “For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.”


22 posted on 05/14/2011 7:31:45 AM PDT by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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To: Longbow1969

see...I told ya...


23 posted on 05/14/2011 7:34:02 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: flowerplough

Lots of bad stuff converging on Israel but I’m not calling it the end yet. Gaza flotilla tomorrow.


24 posted on 05/14/2011 7:34:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: flowerplough

Getting nothing but static on Channel Z.


25 posted on 05/14/2011 7:36:45 AM PDT by edpc (I disagree. Circle gets the square.)
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To: Grunthor

You wrote:

“I don’t believe that the Protestant argument for the rapture is any more of a stretch than the Catholic argument for “purgatory.””

It would have to be more of a stretch since the “Rapture” is really little more than a 19th century creation.


26 posted on 05/14/2011 7:36:50 AM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't debate they just make stuff up.)
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To: flowerplough

Fool!

Everyone knows its May 21st 2012.
Check the Mayan calendar!


27 posted on 05/14/2011 7:41:31 AM PDT by mylife
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To: gunnyg

“amazing thing is that some many idiots are up tight over this and to the point of demonizing the guy for his religious beiefs...so whaT IF HIS BELIEFS DIFFER FROM OTHERS, HIS RIGHT, HIS CHOICE, HIS BUSINESS...LIVE AND LET LIVE...but many, apparently, don’t have the right stuff to get that, I’m afraid...perhaps one of the big reasons our Republic has slipped away.” ~ gunny

So what? No one would give a hoot what religious grifters believe if they just kept their personal beliefs to themselves instead of preying on the fears of weak-minded people and damning to hell everyone else who doesn’t agree with their “beliefs”.

They need to be exposed at every turn for the charlaton grifters that they are.

In this case, Harold Camping and his ilk:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=100#100
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=102#102
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=125#125
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=132#132
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=133#133
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=140#140
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=147#147
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=148#148
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=151#151
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=152#152
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=162#162
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=186#186
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=191#191
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=204#204
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=210#210
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=216#216
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=218#218
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=220#220
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=224#224
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=241#241
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=242#242
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2716739/posts?page=275#275
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2716739/posts?page=278#278
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2716739/posts?page=282#282
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2716739/posts?page=283#283


28 posted on 05/14/2011 7:42:09 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Tax " ~ Gagdad Bob)
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To: gunnyg
see...I told ya...

Your awfully defensive here. Do you believe the world will end on May 21st?

29 posted on 05/14/2011 7:42:46 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: aruanan

Thank you for a most informative post. It is unfortunate many of us tend to generate noise instead of light.
Aside from the rapture aspect, another general misconception based on an incomplete reading of scripture, is the setting of the crucifixion on a Friday as the Passover fell on that day on 33 AD. However, careful study will prove a Wednesday Passover as occurred on 31 AD. In short, Camping applied his eccentric numerology to the wrong date.


30 posted on 05/14/2011 7:47:16 AM PDT by stormhill
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To: Longbow1969

why does it matter to you and/or anyone else what the other guy believes...this used to be America—a free country—where anyone can believe as he/she so chooses—not anymore it appears...

Semper BS!


31 posted on 05/14/2011 7:50:24 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: IamCenny

The Rapture should occur ANY time now, we’re already years into the “birth pangs” we are so very close, Jesus is coming, praise the Lord of Lords, King of Kings, Jesus Christ will return shortly.


Christ comes back after all the trials and tribulations. Sadly, the rapture will happen after them as well.

as to the may 21st.. we will not know the time or the place of his return. no one knows. so I also plan on going about my business on the 21st and the 22nd.....


32 posted on 05/14/2011 7:54:44 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: vladimir998

“... the “Rapture” is really little more than a 19th century creation.” ~ vladimir998

More: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2719342/posts?page=13#13


33 posted on 05/14/2011 7:55:23 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Tax " ~ Gagdad Bob)
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To: vladimir998
“He said the background for this word has no counterpart in OT scriptures...”

A. You're missing the main point.

B. You're making too fine a distinction. Maccabees are not part of the Hebrew Bible, commonly known as the Old Testament. That they were placed there in some canons is only because the events described therein took place before the events of the New Testament. The reference the author made was to an allusion that was particular to Greek/Roman times versus pre-Greek/Roman times in Biblical history. In this sense, then, Maccabbees are part of Greek/Roman times and the appearance of 'parousia' underscores the author's point.

C. You're still missing the main point.
34 posted on 05/14/2011 7:58:38 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Grunthor
"...is any more of a stretch than the Catholic argument for “purgatory.”"

Au contraire, Gruntor.

"...for no one can lay a foundation other than the one that there is, namely, Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay or straw, the work of each one will come to light, for the Day will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire [itself] will test the quality of each one's work. If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone's work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only through fire." (1 Corinthians 3:11-15)

you are to go with your opponent before a magistrate, make an effort to settle the matter on the way; otherwise your opponent will turn you over to the judge, and the judge will turn you over to the constable, and the constable throw you in into prison. I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny." (Luke 12:58-59)

"My son, do not disdain the discipline of the Lord or lose heart when reproved by him; for whom the Lord loves, he likewise disciplines; he scourges every son he acknowledges." (Proverbs 3:11-12 and Hebrews 12:6-7).

"Everyone will be salted with fire." (Mark 9:49)

35 posted on 05/14/2011 8:00:48 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: vladimir998

If you feel more comfortable using the word HARPAZO instead of Rapture, simply reread 1Thes 4:17.

1Th 4:17
(17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (HARPAZO) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


36 posted on 05/14/2011 8:00:48 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: cableguymn

There is no Prophetic event in the Church Age required before the Rapture, but Prophecy does require some events prior to the Second Coming.

The only plausible counterargument is that the Rapture occurs when the very last member of the Church becomes a believer, completing the bride of Christ.


37 posted on 05/14/2011 8:04:05 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Matchett-PI

Please make an actual point rather than link to another post where you also didn’t make a point.


38 posted on 05/14/2011 8:04:12 AM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't debate they just make stuff up.)
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To: Grunthor
Heck, I’d welcome the rapture, I just don’t believe that anyone knows when it’s going to happen.

Ya but someone may make a lucky guess...And may be it's this guy...

39 posted on 05/14/2011 8:04:47 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Grunthor
I don’t believe that the Protestant argument for the rapture is any more of a stretch than the Catholic argument for “purgatory.”

You mean a pre-trib rapture as opposed to what Jesus described as his angels gathering up the elect upon his return to Earth? If the former, then the doctrine of a pre-trib rapture is found among some Protestants but, since its advent was post 1800 or so, it is not found amongst folks like Luther, Calvin, and others known as Protestants, nor those incorrectly labeled as Protestant, such as Wesley. If the latter, then it is just one of those BCBs, basic Christian beliefs.
40 posted on 05/14/2011 8:06:00 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: vladimir998
It would have to be more of a stretch since the “Rapture” is really little more than a 19th century creation.

Funny, it's been is the scriptures for Millennia...But then you guys don't even believe Millennium means Millennium...

41 posted on 05/14/2011 8:10:06 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: gunnyg
why does it matter to you and/or anyone else what the other guy believes...this used to be America—a free country—where anyone can believe as he/she so chooses—not anymore it appears...

Oh stop it. No one is saying he isn't free to believe what he wants, many of us are just pointing of his idiocy. This has gone on for as long as human beings have been around, it is not something new. When someone says dumb things it is the responsibility of others who know better to point it out so additional people don't follow charlatans.

There are all kinds of loony cults and false prophets around and we have a responsibility, in a free society, to teach and remind people that quacks exist and not to fall prey to them.

Your incredibly defensive and entirely wrong. Do you believe the world is about to end on May 21st?

42 posted on 05/14/2011 8:10:09 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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43 posted on 05/14/2011 8:12:12 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: aruanan

You wrote:

“You’re missing the main point.”

No, I don’t think I did. Besides, did I say I was talking about his main point?

“You’re making too fine a distinction. Maccabees are not part of the Hebrew Bible, commonly known as the Old Testament.”

Sorry, that seems more like a Protestant claim than reality. Show me the Jewish canon as written in a Hebrew document BEFORE Christ walked the earth. Oh, that’s right. There isn’t one.

“That they were placed there in some canons is only because the events described therein took place before the events of the New Testament.”

Uh, buddy, EVERY BOOK OF THE OLD TESTAMENT describes events that “took place before the events of the New Testament.”

“The reference the author made was to an allusion that was particular to Greek/Roman times versus pre-Greek/Roman times in Biblical history. In this sense, then, Maccabbees are part of Greek/Roman times and the appearance of ‘parousia’ underscores the author’s point.”

Then you are clearly missing the point because this is the line I quoted and commented on:

Original comment: “He said the background for this word has no counterpart in OT scriptures...”

I said: “Nonsense. It’s right there in 2 Maccabees 8:12 and 15:21. That’s why people who have complete Bibles (unlike most Protestants) aren’t freaking out over all of this rapture nonsense.”

And now you’re saing: “In this sense, then, Maccabbees are part of Greek/Roman times and the appearance of ‘parousia’ underscores the author’s point.”

Which is of course EXACTLY WHAT I SAID: “It’s right there in 2 Maccabees 8:12 and 15:21.”

” You’re still missing the main point.”

Show me where I EVER SAID i was commenting on the main point.


44 posted on 05/14/2011 8:15:45 AM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't debate they just make stuff up.)
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To: Iscool

The Protestant idea of Rapture is found nowhere in scripture. Even other Protestants don’t believe it’s there!


45 posted on 05/14/2011 8:17:11 AM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't debate they just make stuff up.)
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To: Cvengr

“If you feel more comfortable using the word HARPAZO instead of Rapture, simply reread 1Thes 4:17. .. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (HARPAZO) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” ~ Cvengr

“.....The teaching of two “second comings” of Jesus is not Biblical. As the Apostles’ Creed simply states, “From thence he shall come to judge the living and the dead.” On the mount of Ascension the angels told the disciples that He would come again in the same way they saw Him depart into heaven. Nowhere does the Bible teach two “second comings.” The language of 1 Thess. 4:17 does not allow for the “rapture” teaching. The phrase “to meet the Lord” literally means “to meet for the purpose of welcoming back.” The Greek phrase “to meet” ( eis apanthsin) is only used on four occasions in the New Testament. In each case it means to go out to meet for the purpose of welcoming. (See, for example, Acts 28:15.) ....”

Here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/981906/posts?page=3D22#22


46 posted on 05/14/2011 8:37:12 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Tax " ~ Gagdad Bob)
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To: DarthVader
This false prediction is going to finish off Camping for sure.

It didn't really phase Charles Taze Russel, Joseph Smith et al.

47 posted on 05/14/2011 8:40:57 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Iscool; vladimir998

vladimir998 wrote: “It would have to be more of a stretch since the “Rapture” is really little more than a 19th century creation.”

Iscool responded: Funny, it’s been is the scriptures for Millennia...But then you guys don’t even believe Millennium means Millennium...

In the “Scriptures”???

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2716739/posts?page=147#147


48 posted on 05/14/2011 8:43:18 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Tax " ~ Gagdad Bob)
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To: flowerplough

Sent this a while back to Camping:


Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 9:29:48 AM
Subject: A Challenge For You

Dear Mr Harold Camping,

I have a proposal for you.
Please exercise your faith by selling me everything you own for $1.
We can contract it so that I take possession on May 22, 2011.
According to your ‘prophecy’, you and all the other believers will have departed the Earth the day before, so you will have no need for your possessions any longer.

I am dead serious. I want your home(s), car(s), cash, investments, other real estate, contracts, account payable, securities, any position if leadership that you occupy, and any interest in any form of business (sole proprietor, non-profit, corporation).

If you refuse, then I must take that to mean that you don’t really believe your own words to be true, which would make you a false prophet.

Sincerely,


49 posted on 05/14/2011 8:44:16 AM PDT by dadgum (Overjoyed to be a Pariah)
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To: Matchett-PI

No need to read into Scripture what isn’t there.

Coming WITH the clouds is not the same as coming IN the clouds.


50 posted on 05/14/2011 8:45:35 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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