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Christian Leaders Respond to Camping's May 21, 2011 Rapture Prediction
Christian Post ^ | 05/17/2011 | Lee Warren

Posted on 05/17/2011 2:23:27 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

If you happened to learn about Harold Camping’s May 21 rapture prediction from a placard on a subway car or bus shelter in New York City, the ad was probably funded by Robert Fitzpatrick – a 60-year-old, retired transit worker from Staten Island who invested his entire life savings of $140,000 into the campaign.

“I’m trying to warn people about what’s coming,” Fitzpatrick told the New York Daily News. “People who have an understanding [of end times] have an obligation to warn everyone.”

Fitzpatrick isn’t the only person to empty his bank account to warn others based on Camping’s prediction.

NPR recently reported on another one of Camping’s followers, 27-year-old Adrienne Martinez, as saying, “Knowing the date of the end of the world changes all your future plans.”

So, instead of going to medical school like she planned, she gave up that idea. She and her husband, Joel, quit their jobs and moved from New York City to Orlando, where they rented a home and are currently passing out tracts. Joel says they are spending the last of their savings because they don’t see a need for one more dollar.

“You know, you think about retirement and stuff like that,” he said. “What’s the point of having some money just sitting there?”

“We budgeted everything so that, on May 21, we won’t have anything left,” Adrienne added.

As sincere as Camping’s followers are when it comes to warning the world about the rapture, and ultimately Judgment Day, several Christian leaders are issuing a different sort of warning.

“The Christian church has seen this kind of false teaching before,” said Dr. Albert Mohler, president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, on his blog. “William Miller and his Adventist followers (known, surely enough, as Millerites) believed that Christ would return on March 21, 1844. In the 1970s, popular Christian preachers and writers predicted that Christ would return on various dates now long in the past. All this is embarrassing enough, but now we have the teachings of Harold Camping to deal with. Given the public controversy, many people are wondering how Christians should think about his claims.”

Mohler went on to say Christ specifically admonished his disciples not to claim such knowledge. And, he said, the Bible does not contain hidden codes that we are to find and decipher. Instead, he said, while Christians are indeed to be looking for Christ to return and seeking to be found faithful when Christ comes, we are not to draw a line in history and set a date.

“We are not to sit on rooftops like the Millerites,” Mohler said, “waiting for Christ’s return. We are to be busy doing what Christ has commanded us to do.”

W. Robert Godfrey, president and professor of church history at Westminster Seminary California, pointed out on the seminary’s blog, Valiant for Truth, a glaring omission from Camping’s prediction.

“Camping’s teaching reaches the status of heresy in his recent appeal to the world, ‘Judgment Day,’ an eight page statement online,” Godfrey said. “The saddest and most distressing element of Camping’s latest theological statement is that it is Christless. He does not write about Christ’s return, but about judgment day. In his eight pages of warning and call for repentance he writes only this of Christ: ‘Because God is so great and glorious He calls Himself by many different names. Each name tells us something about the glorious character and nature of God. Thus in the Bible we find such names as God, Jehovah, Christ, Jesus, Lord, Allah, Holy Spirit, Savior, etc. Names such as Jehovah, Jesus, Savior, and Christ particularly point to God as the only means by which forgiveness from all of our sins and eternal life can be obtained by God’s merciful and glorious actions.’”

Slightly differing versions of the document can now be found on the Family Radio website. One includes the quoted material mentioned by Godfrey. Another, the .pdf version, includes another paragraph directly below the one above, about the forgiveness of Christ.

Also joining the debate, Cal Thomas took on Camping in his recent column, saying the prophesized events of Matthew 24 haven’t been completely fulfilled yet. He concluded by saying, “I’m not expecting the end on May 21. That’s because of something else Jesus said. He said he would return when people “least expect it” (Luke 12:40). By that standard, Mr. Camping is wrong because he expects the end to come this Saturday. And so it won’t.”

Camping was recently interviewed by New York Magazine which pointed out that he was wrong about his first end of the world prediction in 1994, and wondered if he had any reservations about his ability to predict such things.

“In 1992, two years earlier than that, I had already begun to see that there was a good likelihood that 2011 would be the end,” Camping said, “but at that time when my research in the Bible was not nearly complete – there were whole books of the Bible that I had not gone through yet very carefully – I thought that at that time that there was a possibility it might be 1994, and so I wrote a book, '1994?' but I put a big question mark after it, and in the book it also indicated that 2011 was also a good possibility. And so it was just a preliminary study that I've been able to complete during the last fifteen years.”

Camping believes the rapture will occur May 21 and that God will destroy the earth on October 21.


TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: haroldcamping; prophecy; rapture

1 posted on 05/17/2011 2:23:30 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The billboard in my area had been up for over a year saying Christ was coming on May 21. They took it down last week.


2 posted on 05/17/2011 2:28:56 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: SeekAndFind

The billboard in my area had been up for over a year saying Christ was coming on May 21. They took it down last week.


3 posted on 05/17/2011 2:29:16 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: SeekAndFind

I saw the movie “Knowing”. I’d give it 3 out of 5 stars. It has a cool plane crash scene.

It was fiction. So is this, especially if they are claiming to be Christian. The Bible explicitly warns against doing exactly what they are doing, and does so in multiple ways and places.


4 posted on 05/17/2011 2:30:29 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: icwhatudo

RE: They took it down last week.

Hmmm... why is that? Either their lease was probably up or they’re not as sure of the date as they claim.


5 posted on 05/17/2011 2:30:47 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind
OK, and when people don`t disappear into thin air? Du-Oh!
6 posted on 05/17/2011 2:33:56 PM PDT by nomad
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To: RobRoy

It is unschooled, unbibilcal people like this that give Christ, our Lord and Savior, a bad name.

I would not want to be him when he stands before God’s throne.

It is sheer evil to mislead the Lord’s flock.


7 posted on 05/17/2011 2:42:13 PM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: SeekAndFind

Back in 1988 there was a little book written about Jesus coming back that year

Is this the same group ???


8 posted on 05/17/2011 2:44:10 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: SeekAndFind

“...the ad was probably funded by Robert Fitzpatrick – a 60-year-old, retired transit worker from Staten Island who invested his entire life savings of $140,000 into the campaign.”

When it doesn’t come true will he be able to get a refund?


9 posted on 05/17/2011 3:29:42 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: RobRoy

This is how the world is going to end.
(flash animation)
http://www.endofworld.net/

GoogTube version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCpjgl2baLs

(warning: bad language)


10 posted on 05/17/2011 3:33:49 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: TruthConquers

It is sheer evil to mislead the lord’s flock.
_________________________________________

well dont know which lord or which flock you refer to

But the LORD Jesus Christ is the Lord of lords

His flock, the church, cannot be mislead...

so lets see what the LORD Jesus Christ who is God hasd to say...

For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—IF IOT WERE POSSIBLE ..Matthew 24:24

So He says that it is not possible for Hids flock to be mislead...

Nor will the flock follow strangers

THe LORD Jesus CHrist the Good Shepherd says...

“...The man who enters by the gate is the Shepherd of His sheep. The watchman opens the gate for Him, and the sheep listen to His voice. He calls His own sheep by name and leads them out. When He has brought out all His own, He goes on ahead of them, and His sheep follow Him because they know His voice.

BUT THEY WILL NEVER FOLLOW A STRANGER. IN FACT THEY WILL RUN AWAY FROM HIM BECAUSE THEY DO NOT RECOGNISE A STRANGER’S VOICE.” John 10:2-5

No it is not possible for true followers of the Lord Jesus Christ who is God to be mislead...

Either God is Truth or God is a liar...


11 posted on 05/17/2011 3:58:50 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

OK

The flock that is listening to the false prophecy.

NOW, do you deny that those who are to lead are responsible to NOT mislead their church?

I am mystified that you think that I was saying that Christ is a liar.

Don’t you remember that Christ will tell some “I never knew you, go away?” So, there will be those who CLAIM to follow Christ AND will mislead their flock.

Clearer now?


12 posted on 05/17/2011 4:09:14 PM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I think that might have been the JW’s.

There might have been others as well.
Lots of people were thinking that a generation was forty years, and added that to 1948. Israel was declared a nation that day, fulfilling the prophecy that in one day the nation will exist again. It was to be the generation who saw that, and before it passed away, would the Lord return.

It was guess work. Granted, who knows how many people who could be alive today that “saw” that happen? Even the flood of Noah depend on the death of Methushael, who lived longer than Adam.


13 posted on 05/17/2011 4:23:57 PM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: irishtenor

Bump to the 22nd...


14 posted on 05/17/2011 4:55:07 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: SeekAndFind

Its so sad so many lives are disrupted (at least not ruined completely) over such false prophecies.

Even when we see the abomination of desolation as spoken of by Daniel, we’ll know we’re half way through the tribulation but the exact day is still a bit of a question.


15 posted on 05/17/2011 5:19:44 PM PDT by thatjoeguy (Wind is just air, but pushier.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It was nice of God to hold the Rapture on a Saturday.


16 posted on 05/17/2011 5:28:45 PM PDT by GSWarrior (also known as SJShark)
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To: SeekAndFind

Has all prophecy been fulfilled:

www.propecyquestions.wordpress.com


17 posted on 05/17/2011 6:44:02 PM PDT by grumpa (VP)
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To: SeekAndFind
His mistake is nailing down a specific date.

Now he can't run his scam past May 21st!

But there are plenty of others willing to carry on his work...

(sarcasm)

18 posted on 05/17/2011 6:48:20 PM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: GSWarrior

RE: It was nice of God to hold the Rapture on a Saturday.

Why the use of the past tense?


19 posted on 05/17/2011 7:59:27 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought Camping was Reformed. Shouldn’t that mean that he doesn’t believe in the “rapture” at all?


20 posted on 05/17/2011 8:07:48 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

He and his family WERE ( past tense ) members of the Christian Reformed Church until the year 1988. During this time he served as an Elder and Sunday school teacher at the Alameda Bible Fellowship.

Because of his penchant for date setting, and his stubborn refusal to change, Camping was stripped of his role as teacher at Alameda. The official date the elders took over the adult Sunday school class was September 11, 1988.

The whole controversy that spanned Camping’s censure and departure from the church was roughly from May to September, 1988.

Is it therefore, not the least bit suspect that Camping would later declare that the Holy Spirit was removed from the church beginning on May 21, 1988, the very same period Camping himself was removed from teaching ‘in” the church? And is it not alarming that Camping now “outside” of the church would declare, soon after his own departure, that anyone still identified with any church is now under the judgment of God? I think it’s safe to say we have motive.

Pride and bitterness had so overcome Camping that he was able to declare that upon the year of his censure and departure from the church, God was done with the entire church, and from that time forward, God would only work in the “true believers” who were willing to take the stand with Camping and come out of the church.


21 posted on 05/17/2011 8:23:04 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: RobRoy
The Bible explicitly warns against doing exactly what they are doing, and does so in multiple ways and places.

The "times and the seasons" yes, but the actual day? Nope. Anyone know how Camping explains away that piece of Jesus' words?

22 posted on 05/17/2011 9:35:19 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: TruthConquers; SeekAndFind
It is unschooled, unbibilcal people like this that give Christ, our Lord and Savior, a bad name.

I agree and not just Christ, but there are bozos on this forum that are using it to blame ALL Christians who are "Protestant". They seem to think the doctrine of the Bible being the word of God and the authority he gave us for what is true about Christianity (sola scriptura) is what caused people like Camping to come up with his weirdness. Go figure!

23 posted on 05/17/2011 9:41:50 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: SeekAndFind
“We budgeted everything so that, on May 21, we won’t have anything left,” Adrienne added.

Again, you're doing it wrong. Run up every credit card you can and get as many loans as possible and live way beyond your means. Fly first class to exotic places you've always wanted to see. Buy that fancy sports car. Blow hundreds on expensive meals in 5 star restaurants. You won't have to worry about paying it all back, right?

24 posted on 05/18/2011 6:02:11 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

RE: Back in 1988 there was a little book written about Jesus coming back that year

Is this the same group ???


Harold Camping was stripped of his privilege of teaching at his Reformed Church for continually (after being asked to stop ) teaching that Jesus Christ would return in 1994.

He wrote a book entitled 1994 to warn the world about it ( he was asked not only by the elders of his church, but by Christians from other denominations to quit doing what he was doing, but he stubbornly held to his beliefs).

1994 came and nothing happened. I was driving to work that day and eagerly tuned in to 94.7 FM ( Family Radio’s frequency in my area ) to hear what Camping had to say....

His radio program came on and he said nothing. The program that day was a Bible study on the book of Ruth.

He claimed after 1994 that it was a miscalculation and this time, he has it right ... the end of the world will be this Saturday — May 21, 2011.

Since he was stripped of his privilege of teaching in church, Camping has been teaching that ALL churches have apostasized and believers have to LEAVE the church.


25 posted on 05/18/2011 6:57:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind
Why the use of the past tense?

Hmmm.....not sure.

26 posted on 05/18/2011 9:04:31 AM PDT by GSWarrior (also known as SJShark)
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s very enlightening. However, I still don’t understand why (or if) he believes in the “rapture.” Isn’t that associated with eschatologies/theologies that he has opposed for decades?


27 posted on 05/18/2011 9:16:38 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
From what I heard on his show -- Open Forum, Harold Camping uses the term "rapture" to describe what will happen as stated in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11

If you go to his website, this is what you see today :


28 posted on 05/18/2011 12:02:41 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: TruthConquers

Are you serious? Really. This looney toon is going to give The Son of God a’’ bad name’’? What is it, a slow news day where you are?


29 posted on 05/18/2011 6:36:08 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: jmacusa

Amongst unbelievers, you bet.
In the last days there will be mockers, who will mock the return of Christ.
These false flags will only encourage such nonsense.

But I guess it is a slow news day where you are, eh?


30 posted on 05/18/2011 6:42:43 PM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: TruthConquers

Never a slow news day where I am friend and no stupid, deluded Irishman blowing all his money on a bill-board proclaiming ‘’the end of the world’’ is EVER going to give my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ a bad name. LOL!!


31 posted on 05/18/2011 7:00:11 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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