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Study: Homosexuality, celibacy didn't cause abuse
Associated Press ^ | May 18, 2011 | Rachel Zoll

Posted on 05/18/2011 7:49:52 AM PDT by Grunthor

WASHINGTON – Researchers commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic bishops to analyze the pattern of clergy sex abuse have concluded that homosexuality, celibacy and an all-male priesthood did not cause the scandal.

The study by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York instead said that the problem was largely the result of poor seminary training and insufficient emotional support for men ordained in the 1940s and 1950s, who were not able to withstand the social upheaval they confronted as pastors in the 1960s. Crime and other deviant behavior increased overall in the United States during this period, when the rate of abuse by priests was climbing.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: nambla; rape

1 posted on 05/18/2011 7:49:54 AM PDT by Grunthor
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To: Grunthor

Well OF COURSE homosexuals are not perverts!! EVERYBODY knows that. And NAMBLA is really only a BOYS club...you know, like the Boy Scouts!! Anything to provide cover for faggots.


2 posted on 05/18/2011 8:00:49 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Grunthor

And clouds dont cause rain. And up is the same as down.


3 posted on 05/18/2011 8:02:10 AM PDT by Mr. K (this administration is WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY~!! [Palin/Bachman 2012])
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To: Grunthor

Men going after young boys are homosexual pedophiles.
They can ask us to not believe our eyes, but the truth is the truth.


4 posted on 05/18/2011 8:03:22 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Grunthor

They diddled little boys but they aren’t queers? Raping little kids is a result of poor training? This is asinine on its face.


5 posted on 05/18/2011 8:04:42 AM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: youngidiot

Well, when you look at who paid for the study, those kinds of conclusions are not all that surprising.


6 posted on 05/18/2011 8:05:56 AM PDT by Grunthor (RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
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To: Grunthor

this is from NY.

seems this is saying sex is not really sex.


7 posted on 05/18/2011 8:06:04 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Grunthor
...the problem was largely the result of poor seminary training and insufficient emotional support for men ordained in the 1940s and 1950s, who were not able to withstand the social upheaval they confronted as pastors in the 1960s...

BS

First of all, "poor training" and "insufficient emotional support" are not going to push a normal individual to feel up an altar boy. However, poor screening of seminary candidates for deviant behavior (ie homosexuality) will result in people who are predisposed to commit such horrible acts.

Second, the "social upheaval" of the 1960s really didn't kick into gear until the last part of the decade and into the early 70s. Most of the abuse cases came from the mid-60s.

Studies that gloss over the problem with explanations of "feelings" and "society made me do it" do not help the Church.

8 posted on 05/18/2011 8:17:08 AM PDT by kidd
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To: youngidiot

’ Raping little kids is a result of poor training?’

Really! How would this be diff from rape, murder etc? Are those crimes just a matter of poor training and lack of support??? Its clearly a white wash by someone in the catholic church who has $ to spend. This is what happens when sin goes unchecked in the clergy. It appears the hierarchy in the catholic church is little diff from that in DC...corrupt bunch of liars and perverts.


9 posted on 05/18/2011 8:22:01 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Grunthor
I'm catching a whiff of something...

...something that smells a LOT like...

...BS!

...the problem was largely the result of poor seminary training and insufficient emotional support for men ordained in the 1940s and 1950s...

What? "Poor" seminary training? What happened, did one of their texts on 'Morality and Ethics in Religion' have a typo?

"Oh, you know what? It turns out, that all this time the word 'NOT' was supposed to be in front of the word 'acceptable' in the sentence: 'It is absolutely acceptable to use your position of moral and spiritual authority to prey on children, destroy their innocence and use them to satisfy your own perverted sexual desires#39;, contained in this text book. Boy is THAT embarrassing. I sure hope no one misunderstood the real meaning of that sentence..."

Seriously, though, I didn't need seminary training, good, poor or otherwise, in order to know, positively KNOW that it is supremely EVIL to do such horrible things to ANYONE, especially children. "Poor" seminary training and/or 'inefficient emotional support' can not even BEGIN to explain what these men did.

10 posted on 05/18/2011 8:23:36 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: kidd

My personal thoughts on the matter? In the 40’s and 50’s there were many homos’ just like there are now only it was considered a bad thing by society.

Many of these men had to ask themselves, “Where can I hide what I am?” I can see some wanting to join an institution widely known for it’s vow of celibacy, thereby taking sex completely out of their lives BUT; homos’ are defined by who and what the screw. It’s in their nature to have deviant sex. When you try to stop someone or something from being it’s natural self, those urges are going to still come out and in even more destructive ways.

Add to that the institution not having a clue at first how to deal with the accusations, so they hush up the families and move the offenders around to different churches. Problem is, that is only going to work for so long because the urges on the part of the homo are still there, and his access to young, impressionable boys is still there.

In short, in my opinion (I am open to the idea that I am WAY offbase) the institution cared FAR more For it’s reputation than it did for some snot-nosed brats that clearly needed to place their church above their physical, mental and emotional health.

I DO NOT believe that is the case any longer. I believe that the church really does want to weed out the pedophiles and that they have tried very hard to address the problem of homos/pedos’ (same diff) in the seminaries, and I thank it for that. I further strongly believe that the church has stopped trying to hide/move pedos’/homos’ in order to protect their (the churchs) reputation. I mean, what would be the point now anyways, right?


11 posted on 05/18/2011 8:36:20 AM PDT by Grunthor (RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
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To: Grunthor

Thanks for posting. Do you (or does anyone reading this) have a direct link to the article? The links in the OP only go to yahoo.com.

Thanks,


12 posted on 05/18/2011 8:42:35 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

Sorry about that, I don’t but I will hunt it dow for you since I should have posted it with the article.


13 posted on 05/18/2011 8:44:45 AM PDT by Grunthor (RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
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To: Grunthor

Your link doesn’t work.


14 posted on 05/18/2011 8:45:38 AM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: Grunthor

You make far more sense than this study.
Your explanation also gains credibility because you didn’t take the opportunity to throw in a jab at Vatican II.

No, you are not off base at all.


15 posted on 05/18/2011 8:47:40 AM PDT by kidd
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To: FourtySeven

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110518/ap_on_re/us_rel_church_abuse_report


16 posted on 05/18/2011 8:49:02 AM PDT by Grunthor (RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
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To: Grunthor

Thank you.


17 posted on 05/18/2011 8:49:40 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Grunthor

Just wow.


18 posted on 05/18/2011 8:49:58 AM PDT by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: kidd

heh heh,,,I don’t even understand Vatican II...I am not Catholic.


19 posted on 05/18/2011 8:55:42 AM PDT by Grunthor (RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
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To: Grunthor

I would think that the number one problem for the caring, sensitive, unavailable, all male Priesthood would be that women would be throwing themselves at them, some consciously, and many more unconsciously, I doubt that the 12 year old boys were throwing themselves at them.


20 posted on 05/18/2011 9:10:39 AM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: Grunthor

It’s the white collars...yeah...that’s it...the white collars...oh...and the sun got in their eyes...yeah...that’s it.


21 posted on 05/18/2011 10:21:50 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Grunthor
Researchers commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic bishops to analyze the pattern of clergy sex abuse have concluded that homosexuality, celibacy and an all-male priesthood did not cause the scandal.

Aren't we seeing history repeat itself here? I stopped reading right after this sentence, scratched my head and wondered why the Roman Catholic bishops commissioned anybody to tell them what caused the scandal. This really bothers me because it suggests that after this saga has dragged on intermittently for almost a decade with hundreds if not thousands of cases, they still don't know why this disaster was visited on the Church.

Isn't this a repetition of the worldly, nonspiritual reasoning which caused this problem to snowball in the first place? Wasn't it the clueless bishops who swallowed hook, line and sinker the modern psychobabble handed down by so called "experts" that the molesters and perverts could be counseled, cured and rehabilitated by shrinks and other practitioners of pseudo-medical cures? Wasn't it this that led them to place these men back in ministry after their ticket had been punched by the appropriate rehab center? Yet they're still running after these secular "experts" and asking "duh.........what went wrong??"

You went wrong, you clueless apparatchiks!! When are you going to get it?? This scandal was caused principally by one thing and one thing only and you are the culprits. It was caused by the wholesale failure of Catholic bishops and seminary rectors to follow the directives of their own Church about who may be admitted to seminaries and ordained to the priesthood. You were warned repeatedly.........homosexuality is disordered and men who suffer from this disorder should not be ordained!!

Yet here you are, still asking for more studies, still drinking in the Kool-Aid provided by "experts", still hanging on their every word and swallowing their shtick uncritically.

What a total waste of money!

22 posted on 05/18/2011 10:34:08 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Grunthor

And rain doesn’t make the crops grow.

I find it amazing that the report avoids saying what is obvious when you read the report. It alarms me that homosexuality has found such an inroad that speaking any truth about it is feared.


23 posted on 05/18/2011 11:53:23 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: A CA Guy

True pedophiles are attracted to children who have not yet reached puberty. They are less likely to be attracted excusively to one sex. The majority of clergy who committed abuse abused boys.

I don’t want to read bull hockey like the only reason there were more male victims is because of the easier access to males. So does that mean our sexuality is not fixed in childhood as so many liberals claim. Or does it support their claim that sexuality is fluid ? Yes contradiction I know but we are speaking of libs.

Bottom line the majority of victims were not very young children and they were male. Which implies those who abused them were sexually attracted to preteen and teen age males. What group of people are attracted to othe males? Homosexuals. QED.


24 posted on 05/18/2011 11:59:24 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Grunthor

I think your viewpoint on this situation sounds extremely reasonable. I also think homosexuals used the ministry as a convenient place to go in which to avoid questions of their sexuality, and once there some gave into even more deviant temptations which presented themselves. Bishops failed terribly in their response and showed a miserable understanding of the causes and their own duties to their flock. I wonder though whether there wasn’t, in some cases, more than mere institutional defensiveness in their machinations. I can think of one bishop that protected abusive priests who was himself involved in a pretty nasty homosexual scandal. Maybe some were protecting people they sympathized with themselves? But, I will also concede I may be way off-base with that myself.


25 posted on 05/18/2011 12:00:39 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: kidd

The report will not spell it out. But that poor seminary training was specifically the acceptance of the lies of the sexual revolution and the liberation of sexual morality from the teachings of the Church.


26 posted on 05/18/2011 12:01:04 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: lastchance

I agree with you. To be sure, the monosexual environment of the seminary is likely to turn the boy’s sexuality toward other boys and to older males. Which is why the Church seems to have abandoned the minor seminaries. Arew they saying.however, that the seminaries were likeprisons and sailing ships, where copped up men turned to other men to get their jollies from sexual objects of second choice? One theory I haqve seen in evidence is that the disappearnce of nuns from the scene removed monitors who could be counted on to keep father from hitting on the young ones? Or the emptying of the rectories after VII left just one or two priests with inadequate supervision?


27 posted on 05/18/2011 8:21:06 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: lastchance

I agree with you. To be sure, the monosexual environment of the seminary is likely to turn the boy’s sexuality toward other boys and to older males. Which is why the Church seems to have abandoned the minor seminaries. Arew they saying.however, that the seminaries were likeprisons and sailing ships, where copped up men turned to other men to get their jollies from sexual objects of second choice? One theory I haqve seen in evidence is that the disappearnce of nuns from the scene removed monitors who could be counted on to keep father from hitting on the young ones? Or the emptying of the rectories after VII left just one or two priests with inadequate supervision?


28 posted on 05/18/2011 8:21:12 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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