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Priests, Abuse, and the Meltdown of a Culture. The lessons of an important new study.
National Review ^ | 05/19/2011 | George Weigel

Posted on 05/19/2011 7:00:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 05/19/2011 7:00:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

A complete and disgusting white wash by the Catholic church.

The only thing missing from there unrepentant report is, “the children were just asking to be raped.”

I have to go throw up now.


2 posted on 05/19/2011 7:05:27 AM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Sling Blade (2006))
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To: SeekAndFind

The root is not pedophilia. It is homosexuality. As much as homosexuals complain and protest, it is the truth.


3 posted on 05/19/2011 7:06:27 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: SeekAndFind

You don’t just suppose, as has happened in history many times before, that ‘someone’ does not like the Catholic Church and wants to destroy it? So that man can be God? just a thot.

Satan hates the Cross and all it stands for.


4 posted on 05/19/2011 7:06:55 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: rlmorel

I agree — further, that it is the Homosexual Agenda and the 60’s mentality that set this all up as a way to ‘change’ (read, destroy) the Catholic Church.

Goes with: “Priests should be married,’ ‘the Catholic Church is a patriarchy,’ ‘women are hopelessly subjugated in the CC, marriage, etc.’

It is a fight to the finish, too.


5 posted on 05/19/2011 7:10:39 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: bboop

I am not sure what side you are arguing. You say “Priest should be married”. “Should” is too hard a word. “Priest can marry” is much better AND biblical. That one change might not help the CC but at least it would have the biblical stance on what the Bible says.


6 posted on 05/19/2011 7:14:10 AM PDT by sigzero
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To: SeekAndFind

“...ephebophilia (a sexual attraction to adolescents, often boys) was clearly a serious problem. But to label this a “pedophilia crisis” is ignorant, sloppy, or malicious.”

Malicious, because ephebophilia is so much less disgusting and evil than pedophilia? This report is pathetic and as trustworthy as a critique of the Glenn Beck Show paid for by Media Matters.


7 posted on 05/19/2011 7:14:32 AM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: TSgt
Again, you prove that you are incapable of analytical thought.
8 posted on 05/19/2011 7:19:13 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: TSgt

depends on your definition of “pedophile”.

I agree with you. This is a whitewash, setting up “tropes” i.e. straw men, and then defeating those strawmen, leaves you where we started. There was systematic tolerance of sexual abuse of minors by priests, over generations, and nothing was done about it until the media got involved.


9 posted on 05/19/2011 7:19:43 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: sigzero

I do not agree that priests should be married. I am saying this is part of the 60s agenda to destroy the Catholic Church. That’s why those things are in quotes.


10 posted on 05/19/2011 7:20:12 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: wideawake
Again, you prove that you are incapable of analytical thought.

Careful, you're going to get accused of "supporting child rape" now.

11 posted on 05/19/2011 7:21:41 AM PDT by Hacksaw (Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy — H.L. Mencken)
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To: Bigg Red

MARK


12 posted on 05/19/2011 7:21:57 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind
A Church that was not in doctrinal and moral confusion from the late 1960s until the 1978 election of John Paul II might have been better armored against the worst impacts of the sexual free-for-all unleashed in the mid-1960s.

The Church hierarchy was mired in doctrinal and moral confusion all through the JP2 papacy. Weigel's attempt to whitewash his hero John Paul "the Great" is pathetic.

Also, the idea of blaming Church problems on society is backward. Christians are supposed to the leaven of society.

13 posted on 05/19/2011 7:24:09 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Flightdeck
Malicious, because ephebophilia is so much less disgusting and evil than pedophilia?

Would you feel the same about a 30 year old man who is attracted to 17 year old girls and a 30 year old man who is attracted to 7 year old girls?

No difference in the two as far as you're concerned?

14 posted on 05/19/2011 7:25:41 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: SeekAndFind

They should call this report the John Gay study.


15 posted on 05/19/2011 7:26:26 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: TSgt
A complete and disgusting white wash by the Catholic church.

The only thing missing from there unrepentant report is, “the children were just asking to be raped.”

You didn't even read far enough to see who wrote the report. Nothing like being open to information.

16 posted on 05/19/2011 7:28:32 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: SeekAndFind
Most of those abused (51 percent) were aged eleven to fourteen and 27 percent of victims were fifteen to seventeen; 16 percent were eight to ten and 6 percent were younger than seven....clearly a serious problem. But to label this a “pedophilia crisis” is ignorant, sloppy, or malicious.

What???! Not pedophilia??? This writer is nuts. Any man who wants to have sex with a boy 17 years or younger is a seriously sick pedophile. And more than half of the abused kids 14 years or younger! Unfreakingbelievable that this writer does not consider this behavior to be a pedophilia crisis.

This article clearly points out why this problem continues to go on decade after decade...too many people who could do something about it are in denial.

17 posted on 05/19/2011 7:32:16 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: SeekAndFind

“Clerical ephebophilia (a sexual attraction to adolescents, often boys) was clearly a serious problem. But to label this a “pedophilia crisis” is ignorant, sloppy, or malicious.”

No, it is normal use of the word in common language, as opposed to specialists. When men try to get oral sex from a 12 year old, the common usage calls that pedophilia: “sexual desire in an adult for a child.” - Random House Dictionary

When the 12 or 13 year old is a male, and men have sex acts with him, it is a cross between homosexuality and pedophilia.

I don’t think this is a case of Catholic priests becoming homosexuals or pedophiles, but of homosexuals and pedophiles being drawn to the Catholic priesthood. Maybe it is the theatrical aspect of being a priest, or maybe the idea of having authority over the young, or both, but SOMETHING draws homosexual pedophiles. It might take a time where homosexuals - including celibate homosexuals - need to be thrown out wholesale to restore the good name of Catholics.


19 posted on 05/19/2011 7:38:20 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: SeekAndFind
Just so the facts get out here:

In 2010,
seven credible cases of abuse were reported in a church that numbers over 65 million adherents.

20 posted on 05/19/2011 7:39:22 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: TSgt

This article was done by National Review— not the Catholic Church. Did you miss that fact?


21 posted on 05/19/2011 7:40:24 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: mas cerveza por favor
Careful with your accusations; this study has been ongoing.


Source: The John Jay Report

22 posted on 05/19/2011 7:43:46 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: bboop

Thanks for the clarification. By the way, the Bible specifically says that they can be married.


23 posted on 05/19/2011 7:44:06 AM PDT by sigzero
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To: Salvation

SEE HERE FOR AN UNDER REPORTED PHENOMENON :

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/5/01552.shtml

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Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church

Jon E. Dougherty, Newsmax
Monday, Apr. 05, 2004

In 2002, the Boston Globe uncovered a scandal of international proportions when it began running a series of investigative reports detailing dozens of cases in which Catholic priests had sexually abused scores of children.
The paper’s damning revelations shook the church to its core, prompting outrage and calls for reform all the way from California to New York to the Vatican in Rome.

By year’s end, some 1,200 priests had been accused of abuse nationwide, the New York Times reported, in an investigative report of its own. In the ensuing maelstrom, five U.S. prelates resigned. Also, bishops from Argentina, Germany, Ireland, Poland, Wales, Scotland, Canada, Switzerland and Austria were also forced out of the church. More than 80 percent of the church’s victims were male.

Worse for the church, Americans discovered some of the most abusive priests were protected by upper echelons of the clergy. Repeated abusive offenses by men like Revs. James Porter and John Geoghan were covered up by the church or, when they occasionally were made public, dismissed as rarities or infrequent behavior.

These priests were moved around from diocese to diocese, given positions that limited their contact with children, or moved to administrative duties – but they usually found their way back into a parish, holding Mass and coming in contact with more potential victims.

In the end, the Vatican’s credibility, the church itself, and the entire Catholic faith, was damaged to the point where it will take decades to repair; the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, in a report on the nature and scope of the abuse problems, found almost 11,000 cases of abuse by about 4,000 priests and deacons since 1950.

“The heartfelt sorrow that we feel for this violation and the often ineffective ways with which it was dealt has strengthened our commitment to do everything possible to see that it does not happen again,” said Bishop Wilton Gregory, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Now, on the heels of the Catholic abuse scandal comes another of historic proportions—one that has the potential to be much greater and far-reaching. According to a draft report commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education, in compliance with the 2002 “No Child Left Behind” act signed into law by President Bush, between 6 percent and 10 percent of public school children across the country have been sexually abused or harassed by school employees and teachers.

Charol Shakeshaft, the Hofstra University scholar who prepared the report, said the number of abuse cases—which range from unwanted sexual comments to rape—could be much higher.

“So we think the Catholic Church has a problem?” she told industry newspaper Education Week in a March 10 interview.

To support her contention, Shakeshaft compared the priest abuse data with data collected in a national survey for the American Association of University Women Educational Foundation in 2000. Extrapolating data from the latter, she estimated roughly 290,000 students experienced some sort of physical sexual abuse by a school employee from a single decade—1991-2000. That compares with about five decades of cases of abusive priests.

Such figures led her to contend “the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests.”

Early Comparisons

The comparison of church-school sexual abuse cases began early—years before Shakeshaft’s report was completed.

In June 2002, The Associated Press reported clergy abuse cases overshadowed teacher-student sex abuse cases, though the report stated the school cases were not “uncommon.”

“Some experts point to what they see as a permissive attitude toward such relationships and a double standard because cases involving female teachers and male students are treated less severely,” AP reported.

“The dynamics of the teacher-student cases are often different than the classic sexual abuse cases because they seem to involve consenting relationships between teachers and students,” Finkelhor, director of the Center for Crimes Against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire, told the wire service. “. . . Clear boundaries have to be enforced.”

Nan Stein, director of a project on sexual harassment in schools at the Center for Research on Women at Wellesley College, cited far fewer cases annually than Shakeshaft; she said she believes “several hundred” cases of student-teacher sexual abuse cases occur each year.

And six years earlier Education Week searched newspaper archives and databases, finding 244 cases in a six-month period. The allegations in that short 1998 study ranged from unwanted touching to sexual relationships and serial rape.

Currently, there is no single agency that tracks such incidents. And only a few national surveys, as of 2002, had been conducted on the subject of teacher-student sex—and most of them were sexual harassment studies.

“None of these studies—either singly or as a group—answer all of the reasonable questions that parents, students, educators, and the public ask about educator sexual misconduct,” says Shakeshaft, in her draft report. “And certainly do not provide information at a level of reliability and validity appropriate to the gravity of these offenses.”

The Death of Outrage?

What is also different about the school cases is the level of secondary media coverage it has—or, in this case, hasn’t—received.

Yet, media coverage of the Catholic priest abuse scandal was nearly wall-to-wall; every major television news program, every major newspaper and wire service, and most mass market magazines covered the scandal relentlessly.

But, reports the National Catholic Register, a leading faith publication, “a search on the media database LexisNexis for “Charol Shakeshaft” turned up no articles eight days after” the Education Week report.

An online search by NewsMax.com found similar disinterest. Google.com’s news database, for example, returned just four entries for “Charol Shakeshaft;” two were Catholic publications.

The Indianapolis Star and Christian Science Monitor only briefly mentioned Shakeshaft’s data; the later publication couched her remarks about schools in an article primarily rehashing the Catholic church abuse scandal.

Yahoo.com’s news search engine returned only three; two were similar stories from the Indianapolis Star.

‘Serious’ Issue?

Catholic leaders especially are wondering why more coverage of the issue, as well as more action by government education officials, hasn’t been forthcoming, in the weeks since the Education Week story.

“If the country is serious about [sexual abuse of children] as a national issue, we have to direct our resources to where the problem is worse,” Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, an New York-based Catholic advocacy group, told the Register. “But instead what we get is a selective indignation that suggests there is an agenda here.”

Indeed, even some judges express a more permissive attitude regarding teacher-pupil sex.

Case in point: In Hackensack, N.J., in the spring of 2002, a state judge sentenced 43-year-old teacher Pamela Diehl-Moore to probation for having sex with a seventh-grade student who was only 13 at the time.

Though prosecutors had argued for jail for Diehl-Moore, the judge in the case, Bruce A. Gaeta, disagreed. He put the onus on the student, saying the encounters with his teacher may only have been a way for him to “satisfy his sexual needs.”

According to court transcripts, as reported by AP, Gaeta said, “I don’t see anything here that shows this young man has been psychologically damaged by her actions. And don’t forget, this was mutual consent.”

He was referred to a judicial disciplinary committee.

That is one identifiable double-standard: relationships between male students and female teachers. For one, say experts, most school sexual abuse occurs between male teachers and female students. For another, male students tend to report sex with female teachers far less; they are treated less severely because boys see little wrong with the acts.

“I think our society sort of says to the boy: ‘Congratulations, that’s great. Everybody fantasizes about having a sexual relationship with an older woman,’” Bob Shoop, an education professor at Kansas State University and an expert witness in 30 court cases involving sexual abuse in schools, told AP.

Case Studies

Some of the most recent cases of school sexual abuse include the following:

In 2002, a California high school teacher ran off to Las Vegas with one of her 15-year-old students;

The same year, a Louisiana teacher was accused of having an affair with a 14-year-old student;

In the Bronx, one teacher was charged with the statutory rape of a 16-year-old former student;

In March, a 20-year-old Anderson, Ind. choir aide was charged with allegedly raping a 16-year-old female student—the two had a consensual relationship for three months before the girl asked to break it off;

A week earlier, an Indianapolis Public Schools substitute was caught having sex with a 15-year-old student in a vacant classroom;

A Washington state teacher was convicted of 10 counts of sexually exploiting minors by persuading them to pose nude for him—he then uploaded some of the images to a Web site;

Also in Washington, state officials say 159 coaches of girls sports have been fired or reprimanded over the last decade for sexual misconduct;

An investigation found more than 60 instances in the last four years of Texas high school and middle school coaches losing jobs as a result of allegations of sexual misconduct.
What Next?

Some states have specific laws banning sex between teachers and students. Many others, however, rely on statutory rape laws, but they sometimes do little to protect student-teacher sex that is consensual or between an adult and minor child close to the age of consent.

For her part, Shakeshaft believes more study of the issue is needed, but that officials and educators should take the available data in her report to heart now.

“Some individual districts might have changed some policies or had an in-service workshop, but really there hasn’t been any systematic response to this issue,” she said.

“It isn’t as if we need to stop and wait for a study. I do believe we know enough to take some actions.”


24 posted on 05/19/2011 7:44:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Owl_Eagle; Salvation

The article was written by George Weigel a Catholic theologian.

No bias here...

George Weigel
http://www.eppc.org/scholars/scholarid.14/scholar.asp
George Weigel, Distinguished Senior Fellow of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, is a Catholic theologian and one of America’s leading public intellectuals.

Professional Experience
A native of Baltimore, he was educated at St. Mary’s Seminary College in his native city, and at the University of St. Michael’s College in Toronto. In 1975, Weigel moved to Seattle where he was Assistant Professor of Theology and Assistant (later Acting) Dean of Studies at the St. Thomas Seminary School of Theology in Kenmore. In 1977, Weigel became Scholar-in-Residence at the World Without War Council of Greater Seattle, a position he held until 1984. In 1984-85 Weigel was a fellow of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington, D.C. There, he wrote Tranquillitas Ordinis: The Present Failure and Future Promise of American Catholic Thought on War and Peace (Oxford University Press, 1987).


25 posted on 05/19/2011 7:45:04 AM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Sling Blade (2006))
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To: Upstate NY Guy
What???! Not pedophilia??? This writer is nuts.

Pedophilia is part of the problem, but it is almost always homo-pedophilia along with homo-hebephilia and adult homosexuality. Fags took over the Catholic seminaries and opened the floodgates to perverts while keeping heterosexuals out. A gay cabal propelled homosexual priests to the top rank as bishops. These gay bishops did not move against pedophiles because the bishops themselves were subject to blackmail. As this latest whitewash proves, the cover-up continues.

26 posted on 05/19/2011 7:45:52 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: wideawake

Nice personal attack. Let me know when you have something of value to add to the conversation.


27 posted on 05/19/2011 7:45:52 AM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Sling Blade (2006))
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To: wideawake

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


28 posted on 05/19/2011 7:48:30 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Upstate NY Guy

According to the study, 73% involved kids under 15. My youngest daughter is 13...and yes, she is a child. It is not “ignorant, sloppy, or malicious” to call it pedophilia, but it should also be emphasized it is primarily homosexual pedophilia.

“Ephebophilia” does NOT describe the problem.

“Ephebophilia is the sexual preference of adults for mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19...

...The term has been described by Frenchman Félix Buffière in 1980[12] and Pakistani scholar Tariq Rahman,[13] who argued that “ephebophilia” should be used in preference to “homosexuality” when describing the aesthetic and erotic interest of adult men in adolescent boys in classical Persian, Turkish or Urdu literature...

...Generally, the preference is not regarded by psychologists as a pathology when it does not interfere with other major areas of one’s life, and is not listed by name as a mental disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition...”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia

Ephebophilia is a term invented so homosexuals can pretend they don’t have a tendency to prey on the young. It is a ‘gay rights’ term used so homosexual activists can say there is no link between homosexuality and pedophilia.

See? There is nothing wrong with ephebophilia, and that is what the author claims is the problem - in spite of the fact that 73% of cases involved those UNDER 15!


29 posted on 05/19/2011 7:48:51 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: TSgt
Let me know when you have something of value to add to the conversation.

If the standard for added value to a conversation is: "I have to go throw up now", then there is literally nothing I could post that would not add superior value.

31 posted on 05/19/2011 7:50:08 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2722053/posts?page=28#28


32 posted on 05/19/2011 7:51:19 AM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Sling Blade (2006))
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To: TSgt

Source for all of that?? Or are you fabricating it?


33 posted on 05/19/2011 7:51:31 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Flightdeck
Malicious, because ephebophilia is so much less disgusting and evil than pedophilia?

Malicious, because it sweeps the truth under the carpet, and malicious, because it's being propagated, in many cases, by parties which hate the Church but have no problem with homosexual ephebophilia.

The truth is that this is precisely a homosexual problem, caused by letting homosexuals into the priesthood. People who want to normalize homosexual behavior don't want you to know that.

34 posted on 05/19/2011 7:51:54 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: TSgt; Religion Moderator

Did you miss the word” credible” in the above statement for 2010?

Credible does not mean listing the false cases too. But then I have asked you once for a souce. Now I am asking you twice. Where did you get that diatribe?


35 posted on 05/19/2011 7:53:39 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
"Just so the facts get out here: In 2010, seven credible cases of abuse were reported in a church that numbers over 65 million adherents.

Just some anecdotal information here: I have been told by at least 7 of my own personal friends of attempted seduction or rape by catholic priests when they were boys and active in the CC. None of these guys have anything to do with the CC now.

36 posted on 05/19/2011 7:56:39 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: TSgt

George Weigel is a writer. He is not the Catholic Church. I believe you said above “whitewash by the Catholic Church.” Is that correct?


37 posted on 05/19/2011 7:56:39 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; TSgt
He's cutting and pasting from an anti-Catholic blog.

Which may be his own blog or not.

And that blog's sources seem to be sometimes sourced, sometimes not.

And the sourcing seems to be sometimes from credible sources, sometimes not.

38 posted on 05/19/2011 7:56:53 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Salvation

I call BS. If these liberal bishops are not still in cover-up mode, why do they continue denying the homosexual infestation? These shepherds are hirelings. (John 10:13). I would hope to see an honest bishop stand up an denounce this pathetic study


39 posted on 05/19/2011 7:56:53 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: TSgt
Weigel is only reporting the results of "an independent, $1.8 million study conducted by New York’s John Jay College of Criminal Justice".

If you have facts that dispute their findings, present them.

"I have to go throw up now" just tells me that you'd rather shoot the messenger.

The same study also shows that only 149 priests -- that's one in 750 -- accounted for fully 1/4 of all verified abuse cases.

40 posted on 05/19/2011 7:58:39 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: TSgt
The article was written by George Weigel a Catholic Modernist theologian.

Fixed.

41 posted on 05/19/2011 7:59:22 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: bboop; sigzero
What is the big problem with Catholic Priests being married? Peter was married (Mark 1:30).

First of all, many are married. There are plenty of converted Anglican Priests AND many more Eastern Catholic Priests (full communion with the Pope, mostly married, not converts). So the issue is just with the various orders of Priests not allowing it. Over all there is not a prohibition on married Priests. The Church's rule not mine!

I think the historical reason for the prohibition of priest marrying is well understood. We didn't want priesthoods passing from father to son. In fact, if you look at a lot of early church writings it talks about excluding people from being Bishop if their family wasn't in order.

I am Anglican, and we say our church is built on Tradition, Scripture, and Reason. LIke the Catholic Church we hold Marriage as a sacrament. It makes no sense to me to say that Priests can not participate in one of the sacraments. In fact, I don't think it does to Catholics either - they get around this by saying that the Priest is necessary for the sacrament of marriage between two people to occur. So they are participating in the sacrament just not in their own marriage. At least that is what Catholic priests have explained to me. The church is a little schizophrenic on this - because when not talking about Priests being unable to participate it is just said that they are the chief witness and the couple are the givers of the sacrament. My marriage for instance isn't valid according to the Catholic Church (my priest was Anglican).

This tradition is not based on scripture but has a clear historical purpose that is no longer necessary, wasn't universal in the church until around 1000 years ago, and isn't even now universally enforced but is still dictating other major changes to doctrinal believes. Yet, more Catholics support women priests than married priests.

-paridel

42 posted on 05/19/2011 8:01:47 AM PDT by Paridel
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Ephebophilia is a term invented so homosexuals can pretend they don’t have a tendency to prey on the young. It is a ‘gay rights’ term used so homosexual activists can say there is no link between homosexuality and pedophilia.

Yup. That sounds about right. They can make up new terms until the cows come home. It doesn't change the fact that these are some seriously twisted dudes.

43 posted on 05/19/2011 8:02:16 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Upstate NY Guy

And that happened in 2010? Somehow I doubt it.

Maybe of the cases (and I’m not condoning the molestation of children) were false and proven so in court. Only a small number of priests were ever found guilty.

You are aware, though, aren’t you that the press hates the Catholic Church? So we get the news (negative news, that is) about the Catholic Church and other abuse cases in other denominations are not reported.


44 posted on 05/19/2011 8:02:46 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

“The Conference, through the Board, commissioned a research group at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice of the City University of New York to produce a descriptive study through a comprehensive survey of all dioceses and religious orders in the United States. These surveys requested detailed information about the number of allegations of sexual abuse of minors by priests, the nature of the alleged abuse, responses of Church leaders to allegations of abuse, and many other areas.7 The applicable time period is 1950 to 2002.”

http://www.usccb.org/nrb/nrbstudy/nrbreport.htm#johnjay

This study was based on self-reporting. That may be why most of the cases involved priests who had died...and why there is a dramatic drop-off in incidents occurring within the last 30 years. Guess no one wanted to report that they had pedophile priests still in their diocese.

The other possible explanation is that the problem is gone - but to conclude that based on this study would be foolish.


45 posted on 05/19/2011 8:03:03 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

And I knowpersonally of at least two priests who were accused falsely.


46 posted on 05/19/2011 8:03:52 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind
the average rate of abuse throughout the United States was 134 for every 100,000 young people.

Does anyone know if the writer is describing confirmed sexual abuse, or some diluted catch all category?

47 posted on 05/19/2011 8:03:59 AM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: Campion; TSgt
Weigel is only reporting the results of "an independent, $1.8 million study conducted by New York’s John Jay College of Criminal Justice". If you have facts that dispute their findings, present them.

Fact: The John Gay study denied that homosexuality caused the problem.

Do you support this contention?

48 posted on 05/19/2011 8:05:02 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor

Have you not noticed that the bishops that Pope Benedict SVI is putting in place in the United States are quite conservative and pro-life.

Are you not aware, either, of the rigorous examination that seminarians undergo? Two day psyche exams, character witnesses galore, personal interviews by many — and these go on for days and days........and then the seminarian gets to study for SEVEN or EIGHT years before being ordained?


49 posted on 05/19/2011 8:07:13 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
And I knowpersonally of at least two priests who were accused falsely.

Then you should support dealing with the problem instead of running away from it. All priests became suspect and many souls lost the faith.

50 posted on 05/19/2011 8:07:38 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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