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Harold Camping Followers Are Deceived
Bible | May 21, 2011 | bibletruth

Posted on 05/20/2011 9:36:02 AM PDT by bibletruth

Harold Camping Followers Are Deceived and "Professing" Un-Believers that need to TRULY Believe in The Christ, risen from the dean, seated at the right hand of God.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: camping; endtimes; falseprophet; rapture
2 Timothy 3:1-3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, un-thankful, unholy...Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: FROM SUCH TURN AWAY

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, EXCEPT there come a falling away first, AND that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

If 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 is correct - and it is - then Harold Camping must by logic, be that man of sin, since Camping is the one revealing it. But alas, that line of thinking is ridiculous and false - just as Camping's false teaching - Camping is not that man of sin! But then what is Camping? His false rants are precisely those that follow 2 Timothy 3:1ff, i.e., boasters, proud, blasphemers, Having a form godliness, but denying the power thereof

As it appears that Harold Camping followers are deceived, Biblically speaking, and are "professing" believers that TRULY need to believe in The Christ

Therefore it appears, unfortunately, since Harold Camping followers are deceived and are, Biblically speaking, "professing" un-believers that TRULY need to believe in The Christ, risen from the dead, seated at the right hand of God. If these Harold Camping followers persist to follow Camping, then Christ's Words will ring true:

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels…Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal.

The righteous believe in God and Christ, and do not distort and deceive His WORD, neither in doctrine nor the coming return of Christ. The righteous Christ believing Christians DO NOT FOLLOW DECEIVERS.

You who follow Camping are not true believers, this is evident because the Bible tells us that you are deceived by that false boasting and proud prophet, and blasphemer. God teaches us in His WORD that your so called "christians" can appear saved, knowing all the right words to say, having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: FROM SUCH TURN AWAY. Turn to God in order to be saved:

Romans 3:22-25 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is not difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, throughout the forbearance of God

Believe and be saved!

For the rest of us believers, do not be shaken by such false prophets and deceived workers of iniquity! Pray that the Camping camp will turn to God, and turn away from their sins.

1 posted on 05/20/2011 9:36:04 AM PDT by bibletruth
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To: bibletruth

I’d be delighted if Camping turned out to be correct.


2 posted on 05/20/2011 9:39:21 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Circular firing squad has killed GOP's 2012 chances.)
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To: bibletruth

Harold Camping Followers Are Deceived

As are Fred Phelps' followers. As were Jim Jones' followers.
3 posted on 05/20/2011 9:42:50 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: bibletruth

It’s OK, they’ll have that figured out by tomorrow evening.


4 posted on 05/20/2011 9:44:36 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: bibletruth
You have your Bible............Camping has his. He reads it and understands it his way.........you read it and understand it in a different way. Both professing sola scriptura. You can both sit here all day, quoting Scripture to each other and arguing about who is right and who is wrong and jolly good luck to the both of you.

The joys of private interpretation and the sola scriptura mentality.

5 posted on 05/20/2011 9:52:58 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
At least MY GOD, MY CHRIST, MY SAVIOR has NOT added to the words to the book of Revelation by saying that Mary is represented in Revelation 12. The women in Rev 12 being with child IS ISRAEL, because Israel has the genealogy of Messiah, not the Catholics.

Rev 12+Mary is a private interpretation by a group of like minded interpreters...

Rev 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that re written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out the the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

For in that HE died, HE died unto sin ONCE: but in that HE liveth, HE liveth unto God. Romans 6:10

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

6 posted on 05/20/2011 11:00:21 AM PDT by bibletruth
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To: bibletruth
The women in Rev 12 being with child IS ISRAEL

Israel is Jesus' Mom? Who knew! (Obviously not St. Luke.)

7 posted on 05/20/2011 11:21:14 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: marshmallow; bibletruth

“You have your Bible............Camping has his. He reads it and understands it his way.........you read it and understand it in a different way. Both professing sola scriptura. You can both sit here all day, quoting Scripture to each other and arguing about who is right and who is wrong and jolly good luck to the both of you.

The joys of private interpretation and the sola scriptura mentality.”

So you have to rely on popes and councils to discern false prophets like Camping? That’s absurd.


8 posted on 05/20/2011 11:40:55 AM PDT by Augustinian monk
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To: Augustinian monk
"So you have to rely on popes and councils to discern false prophets like Camping? That’s absurd."

What's absurd is believing that you alone are the sole and best interpreter of Scripture. Camping is no doubt sincere in his beliefs but no more wrong than any of the YOPIS crowd.

Equally absurd is the position perpetuated by the anti-Catholics that the Magesterium of the Church has no valid role as a resource to Catholics in their interpretation of Scripture but the Rev. Bill-Bob Rolex with a Doctor of Divinity degree from the East Podunk Christian School of Theology and Diesel Maintenance is as credible as the Burning Bush.

9 posted on 05/20/2011 12:26:40 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Augustinian monk

Catholics cannot discern any correct doctrine without their Popes and councils - yes, that’s absurd!


10 posted on 05/20/2011 1:06:16 PM PDT by bibletruth
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To: bibletruth
"Catholics cannot discern any correct doctrine without their Popes and councils - yes, that’s absurd!"

But nowhere near as absurd as those who attempt to do it without any counsel. That is like choosing to diagnose and treat cancer and heart disease without a doctor or attempting to repair and fly a jumbo jet without any outside guidance. Like those who choose to be their own lawyers those who choose to be their own Magisterium have fools for clients.

The Magisterium are Catholics so your contention is, at face value, absurd.

11 posted on 05/20/2011 1:38:07 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: bibletruth; a fool in paradise; JoeProBono; Daffynition

My sister had a spleen rapture.


12 posted on 05/20/2011 1:42:07 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!
Sorry to hear that. Must have been painful. Does she get bonus points for having it early?


13 posted on 05/20/2011 2:29:06 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: bibletruth

I have wondered what is wrong with this poor soul that obviously has read the bible and yet has missed or chosen to ignore the part that tells us precisely what he has said, is so false.

Our bible has always fascinated me in how it tells us also that our Lord comes “when we think not.” So, if we think He can’t come tomorrow because someone predicted that He would, He actually could?

It’s great to have the return of Jesus given any publicity at all, ya know? Yet I hope and pray no one is such a messed-up, manic mess that this does harm to them, and yet they will have to take responsibility for being so messed-up, I do believe.

In light of this Camping publicity stunt or whatever it is, here is a youtube to a song that is so very apropos, by Waylon Jennings from the seventies, called “Revelation.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYlBObi-SC0&feature=related

(PS, totally off-subject is my nickname I use here. It could be worse but it’s so very off-target for me, now. I went to my profile and don’t see how to change our names here, yet we can change our email addies, etc. Anyone know how I can do this? I registered with it ten years ago. It had been my old CB handle from the seventies and I only used it when registering long ago because other names were all taken. LOL at myself, thanks and yeah, I just talk too much sometimes.)


14 posted on 05/20/2011 2:51:10 PM PDT by Texashellcat (Stop being lost in thought where our problems thrive. Center yourself. In patience, own your soul.)
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To: bibletruth
What needs to be said is these Sola Scriptura types, with their dispensationalist mumbo dumbo jumbo, have treated the bible as a supernatural hero code book conjuring up cataclysmic prognostications.

The rapture types know they will die so they predict the death of the world instead . It is a sick kind of twist in the human heart and imagination to use the bible for selfish purposes. But then that is what C I Schofield was all about.

15 posted on 05/20/2011 5:07:57 PM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: bibletruth

harolds doing a REPEAT “call in show” today/

Apparently he’s packing for the rapture.

he may be under sedation for all I know

family radio is still taking DONATIONS.

where will that money go if were all dead?

Im praying that there wont be a rash of suicides when the sun sets tomorrow!


16 posted on 05/20/2011 7:09:55 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey
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To: bibletruth

harolds doing a REPEAT “call in show” today/

Apparently he’s packing for the rapture.

he may be under sedation for all I know

family radio is still taking DONATIONS.

where will that money go if were all dead?

Im praying that there wont be a rash of suicides when the sun sets tomorrow!


17 posted on 05/20/2011 7:09:55 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey
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To: MeshugeMikey

camping engages in EMOTIONAL LEGALISM

I get the sense that there will be many here who will understand that comment.

MONDAYS “open forum” should be a masterpiece of insipid blather


18 posted on 05/20/2011 7:13:08 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey
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To: MeshugeMikey

camping engages in EMOTIONAL LEGALISM

I get the sense that there will be many here who will understand that comment.

MONDAYS “open forum” should be a masterpiece of insipid blather


19 posted on 05/20/2011 7:13:11 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey
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To: bibletruth; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
Jesus made it clear that we are to recognize the signs of the times that the end is near and He specifically told us to watch, but He also made it VERY CLEAR that no one is going to know more specifically than the general time frame.

Right here He discredits all those who claim to know the date. By Jesus' own words, you can know they're lying and false prophets because He said NOBODY would know the day or hour. Harold Camping is no exception.

Matthew 24:3-44

3As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?" 4And Jesus answered them, "See that no one leads you astray. 5For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and they will lead many astray. 6And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. 7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.

9"Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. 10And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. 11And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15"So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place ( let the reader understand), 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25See, I have told you beforehand. 26So, if they say to you, 'Look, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out. If they say, 'Look, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

29"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32"From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

36"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. 37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 40Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left. 42Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. 44Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

20 posted on 05/20/2011 7:41:10 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; bibletruth; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww

Nuts! Does this mean I have to mow the lawn tomorrow?


21 posted on 05/20/2011 7:49:56 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: metmom
For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and they will lead many astray.

Not to go off subject..but have been researching further on occults and false religions...where they are at..who is who their histories etc. Interesting factoid that plays out with those who have greatest memberships... they all have one strong feature in common...they use Christian verbage, distort it and twist it...and also with the same end result in mind..."You will be like God or become a God." additionally Jesus Christ is eventually removed pretty much entirely and becomes far far less then He is at the very least...replaced by another entity...or personage which dethrones his rightful place. Scientology, New Age Spirituality, Mormons, Hinduism all retain their memberships almost identically....same tactics....same bait....same experiences... and all have rites of passage. I write this because the scripture reference you gave where Jesus strongly warns us not to be led astray...and the fact He mentions.."MANY" will be the enticers... and "Many" will follow. As for "date setters".....by setting dates those people are actually calling Jesus a lier....He said no man will know that time....now either that is the truth...or not. And if that's not the truth then anything else he said can be put into question.

22 posted on 05/20/2011 7:55:22 PM PDT by caww
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To: blue-duncan

No kidding. With all the rain we’ve been getting, we can watch it grow.

Or maybe it’s just mold.....


23 posted on 05/20/2011 7:58:27 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: caww; bibletruth

Satan will always mix just enough truth with the lies to ensnare people.

That’s why it’s so critically important to know Scripture so thoroughly. When Satan tempted Jesus, even using Scripture which he twisted and distorted, Jesus replied with *It is written....*

Jesus didn’t try to argue with Satan, but rather countered with the real truth of God’s Word.

Warning Against Apostasy

Hebrews 5:11-14
11About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. 12For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, 13for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. 14But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.


24 posted on 05/20/2011 8:04:05 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: marshmallow
That's Baloney Marshmellow.... Anyone reading the Bible can USE IT to substantiate anything they want it to...including Catholics.

Even the apostles debated amongst themselves and that has not changed among believers to this day...and I say again...even among Catholic leadership.

For that matter even an alcoholic can justify his behavior for it reads...”Eat, Drink and be merry for tomorrow you shall die”

Each man is held accountable to God for what he allows and believes....further we are encouraged to exhort and correct false teaching....especially to those who have been deceived and misled. So expect conflict and differences....God will always reveal the truth in his own time..... Camping he will once again be found to be a fraud....regardless of his beliefs and behavior....”Be sure your sin will find you out”..and his credibility will be shot.

25 posted on 05/20/2011 8:13:59 PM PDT by caww
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To: metmom
for those who have their powers of discernment 'trained' by constant 'practice' to distinguish good from evil.

Now that is a critical portion of that scripture Metmom. One cannot only read scripture but 'apply it'. And Sometimes we miss that mark and find God faithful to correct us as we continually seek his will and his desires for us.

The idea is "the training"... and "practice"....it comes thru allowing God to fine tune our hearts and minds to recognize evil when we see it and hear it. And He does it by and thru His word and the relationship we have with Him...and putting into practice what we know. I think I mentioned before that the people who handle money in our government are taught how to recognize counterfeits by "training" to know every detail of the real thing. I found that so interesting...because it is exactly the same thing with knwoing God and His word.

People who play religiousity and do not learn Gods word are targeted by the enemy for he knows they are vulnerable...and where. Thus so many do fall into cults and false teachings.

26 posted on 05/20/2011 8:27:49 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

It gets back to Psalm 119:11. If we know God’s Word, we know His thoughts and we are ready in season and out of season to give an answer for everything.

Psalm 119:9-16

9How can a young man keep his way pure?
By guarding it according to your word.

10 With my whole heart I seek you;
let me not wander from your commandments!

11I have stored up your word in my heart,
that I might not sin against you.

12Blessed are you, O LORD;
teach me your statutes!

13With my lips I declare
all the rules of your mouth.

14In the way of your testimonies I delight
as much as in all riches.

15I will meditate on your precepts
and fix my eyes on your ways.

16I will delight in your statutes;
I will not forget your word.

2 Timothy 4:1-3

1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,


27 posted on 05/20/2011 8:35:37 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

I managed to get on almost every time I wanted to—and gave him a run for his money on his unBiblical notions. However, his surface is incredibly hard—doesn’t scratch easily at all.

Would be interesting if every caller for the whole time period read him the riot act from Scripture about such unBiblical assertions.


28 posted on 05/20/2011 9:34:43 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

!HALLELUJAH!
!HALLELUJAH!
!HALLELUJAH!

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29 posted on 05/20/2011 9:36:02 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: bibletruth; don-o; Mrs. Don-o; Tax-chick; Salvation; NYer; Dr. Eckleburg; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
Harold Camping can be rearranged to spell

God Pinch Alarm

...coincidence?

Cheers!

30 posted on 05/20/2011 10:00:08 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Thanks for the ping!


31 posted on 05/20/2011 10:04:17 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: bronx2

bronx2 wrote:
“What needs to be said is these Sola Scriptura types ...”

Give it a rest.


32 posted on 05/20/2011 10:13:10 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: caww

“they all have one strong feature in common...they use Christian verbage, distort it and twist it...and also with the same end result in mind...”You will be like God or become a God.””

The “Gospel of self-esteem” fits in there rather neatly!


33 posted on 05/20/2011 11:00:28 PM PDT by Diapason
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To: Quix
I managed to get on almost every time I wanted to—and gave him a run for his money on his unBiblical notions.
So you were the one giving that poor old man grief; more than once I might add ...
34 posted on 05/20/2011 11:06:40 PM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the favored tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: _Jim

40 years ago . . .

I was more polite than a lot of his callers, maybe most, even, were.

He had a maddening way of ignoring the point or question made and going off on a straw dog tangent.


35 posted on 05/20/2011 11:52:29 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Diapason
The “Gospel of self-esteem” fits in there rather neatly!

Yes, the focus is directly on the individual...24/7 along with all the fuzzy stokes so they "feel" special. They're like a woman looking for a sugar daddy...shower the individual with a false sense of love...til they have taken the bait. But they are really after the revenue coffers. Later, once they are well indoctrinated to their thinking, then the pressure begins....people are afraid not to comply because then the care and love would cease. Many have abondonment issues to begin with so for them that in itself will keep them trapped in these organizations.

36 posted on 05/21/2011 11:48:58 AM PDT by caww
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To: bibletruth

http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/storysupplement/harold_camping/?iid=EL

This is Camping’s final letter to the staff of Family Radio. Now he expects Family Radio to still be in operation when he’s “gone”? I thought his view was no one would be saved after the “rapture”. But then again no one was saved after 21May1988, when the Holy Spirit departed (was that the date that a Reformed church asked him to stop teaching?). The inconsistencies are glaring. It is clear that he is a false teacher, and his motives are suspect (I’m being kind here).


37 posted on 05/21/2011 5:20:38 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: bibletruth
In fact, bibtut -- Harold Camping's philosophy seems akin to yours. This is what his website says
At Family Radio, we emphatically teach that the whole Bible is the Word of God. We believe that, in the original languages in which the Bible was written, every Word was from the mouth of God, and consequently, is never to be altered and must be obeyed. The Bible alone, and in its entirety, is the Word of God.
So Camping is not only Sola Scriptura but also KJV only like you, bib, right?
38 posted on 05/23/2011 3:17:26 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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