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Catholic scholar dismantles May 21 Judgment Day claims
cna ^ | May 20, 2011 | Marianne Medlin

Posted on 05/20/2011 11:09:10 AM PDT by NYer

A bus advertising Judgment Day makes its way through New Orleans on March 8, 2011. Credit: Bart Everson

Denver, Colo., May 20, 2011 / 05:46 am (CNA).- The claim being circulated that May 21 will mark the end of the world and be a day of judgment by God has no basis in Scripture or authentic Christian teaching, according to Catholic scholar Dr. Jared Staudt.

The professor of theology at the Augustine Institute, located in Denver, said that Biblical teaching and Church tradition show “it's clear that it is not scriptural to seek for a date for the day of judgment.”

“It sometimes can be easy to ridicule groups like this for coming up with such calculations, but we should remember that this is a perennial problem,” Staudt told CNA.

“In the end, I think it is a problem of faith. We have a hard time simply trusting in the Lord and waiting for Him.”

Family Radio, a religious group out of Oakland, California that has been broadcasting for several decades, recently launched a nationwide campaign claiming that May 21 at 6:00 p.m. will signal the beginning of hell on earth for non-believers, and a day when Christians around the world will be “raptured” into heaven.

The group has worked around the clock in recent weeks to push their message, using radio and TV broadcasts, billboards, t-shirts, pamphlets and even bumper stickers. Their website received over 3 million visits in April.

Family Radio president Harold Camping, 89, has been hosting the live, call-in talk show “Open Forum” for 50 years.

During a May 15 show, he speculated that “people will be dying by the millions” in the terror-laden months that will follow Judgment Day, until the final destruction of the earth on October 21.

The group uses multiple verses from the Bible to calculate the end of the world, asserting in a booklet that the “great amount of Biblical signs and proofs absolutely guarantee Judgment Day is May 21, 2011.”

In an May 19 interview, however, Dr. Staudt explained that the group uses literal interpretations of several Bible verses taken out of context.

“Family Radio’s prediction of the day of the judgment is premised on the literal interpretation of 2 Peter 3:8, which states: 'with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day,'” Staudt explained.

“Building upon this interpretation, Family Radio then applies it to the surrounding context in 2 Peter, the day of judgment in relation to the flood – 2 Peter 3:6.”

Staudt explained that the group also draws its warning from the passage in the book of Genesis where God warns Noah of the flood arriving in seven days. Since “one day is as a thousand years” God, Family Radio concluded that 7,000 years from the start of the flood, or May 21, 2011, will be Judgment Day.

However, Staudt emphasized, St. Peter also clearly says that “'the day of the Lord will come like a thief,' echoing our Lord’s own words.”

“Jesus said he would come as a thief in the night and also clearly stated that it did not pertain to His mission to announce the time of His Second Coming,” he clarified. “It is clear that Jesus did not want us to know the time of His coming, but rather to remain in watchful expectation.”

“He said that He would come soon – Rev 22:20 – but this is not meant to create fear in the disciples, but rather hope, knowing that Christ is the Lord of history and will triumph in the end.”

Additionally, the rapture “is not part of Catholic teaching,” Staudt said. “We do not separate the resurrection of the just and the reprobate, nor the final tribulation and the Lord’s coming.”

“We are to have a faith filled expectation of the Lord’s coming, but without trying to have control over it,” he said.

“We also have to remember that the Lord comes to us every day in the Eucharist and He also comes to us in our own death. Our lives should be centered on watchfulness so that we have open hearts to Him in prayer and in expectation of the future glory, which He promises us.”

Staudt noted that a primary factor in cult-like groups making misguided claims about the end of the wold comes “from a lack of union with the Church established by Christ.”

“When a group is on its own, it sits down with the Bible and tries to figure things out,” he noted. But these groups do not have the context that comes from hearing the Word of God proclaimed in the liturgy or “the authority of the Magisterium to interpret the Bible in unison with Tradition.” 

Rather than respond with ridicule or dismissiveness, however, Staudt reiterated the importance of engaging such groups with charity and truth.

“Throughout the Catholic tradition, the response to a contrary position is always to find the good in what is presented and to seek dialogue,” he said. “In this particular case, one could certainly affirm and even praise the desire to proclaim the biblical message of the need for conversion and forgiveness.”

“However, one could also see the sensational presentation as a trivialization of this message.  Regardless of that fact, it is still an opportunity to discuss the topic, which has been brought up in a very vocal way.” 

Staudt said it's important to remember that “many people, if not most, have never heard a clear and well founded presentation of the Catholic faith.” 

“People are drawn towards cults because they are looking for the truth and also for a sense of belonging,” he observed. “Cults provide simple clear cut answers and usually a well defined way of life. We know that this is simply a parody of what Christ intends and actually offers.” 

“We need to use opportunities like the one presented by Family Radio to engage in conversation, to listen, and to gently, yet firmly, proclaim the truth of Christ with which we have been entrusted in His Church.”


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1 posted on 05/20/2011 11:09:13 AM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 05/20/2011 11:10:01 AM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

Arguing with trolls.


3 posted on 05/20/2011 11:13:11 AM PDT by dangus
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To: NYer

I was watching the Sarah Conner Chronicles on SyFy Channel yesterday, and Judgement Day was supposed to be sometime in April 2011.


4 posted on 05/20/2011 11:15:03 AM PDT by VRWCmember (_!_)
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To: NYer; dangus

Jesus did tell us that we will not know the day nor the hour, but many people seem to have skipped this part of the Gospels...

That said, the US has a long tradition of flaky Protestants climbing onto their rooftops and awaiting the end of the world. Actually, I think I’m insulting Protestants in saying this - most of these people need another name, like “Self-Proclaimed Churches,” since they really come out of no authentic Protestant tradition and are just out there doing their purely individual thing - and collecting bucks for it.


5 posted on 05/20/2011 11:17:40 AM PDT by livius
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To: NYer
Too bad Catholic scholars cannot dismantle this:

That the book of Revelation has Mary misrepresented in Revelation 12. The women in Rev 12 being with child IS ISRAEL, because Israel has the genealogy of Messiah, not the Catholics.

Rev 12+Mary is a private interpretation by a group of like minded interpreters...

Rev 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that re written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out the the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

For in that HE died, HE died unto sin ONCE: but in that HE liveth, HE liveth unto God. Romans 6:10

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

At least MY GOD, MY CHRIST, MY SAVIOR and neither me has ADDED to the words to the book of Revelation: Mary is NOT in Revelation.

6 posted on 05/20/2011 11:20:11 AM PDT by bibletruth
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To: NYer

To use the expression “it’s all in the math” would deflate this ‘prophet’s’ case.

see link for a quick summary: worldwide - 158K people die every day. In one year, that’s a lot of souls going to heaven.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060826005046AAsENkg


7 posted on 05/20/2011 11:21:09 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Is it 2012 yet?)
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To: NYer

Just wait a couple days and the claim will dismantle itself.


8 posted on 05/20/2011 11:25:50 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: livius

To be fair, Protestant scholars are also debunking this latest absurdity from Mr. Camping. There is no Protestant church that will own him.

Actually Mr. Camping proudly does not belong to any church, and teaches his followers not to, either, so please don’t brand him as “Protestant.” He is no more a Protestant than the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are Catholic.


9 posted on 05/20/2011 11:31:10 AM PDT by Persevero (Can not wait for 2012)
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To: sodpoodle

” a lot of souls going to heaven “... you error, for how do YOU know and assume correctly that these people have come to know the faith OF Christ, who have believed in grace not works for salvation, who are adopted as sons (Romans 8:14-16) and place their entire trust in Christ who died once for the remission of sins that are past.


10 posted on 05/20/2011 11:32:26 AM PDT by bibletruth
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To: NYer

I’m no scholar and even I can read “no man will no the time or day” (or thereabouts - not a direct quote).

Still, Obama’s betrayal of Israel was timely enough to make be take pause.


11 posted on 05/20/2011 11:35:05 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: livius

“That said, the US has a long tradition of flaky Protestants climbing onto their rooftops and awaiting the end of the world.”

Oh, we’ve had plenty of Catholic sects do the same, so no stones will be thrown here.

Year 1000 was particularly bad for it.


12 posted on 05/20/2011 11:36:50 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Persevero

That’s what I said. He’s Protestant in the sense that he’s not Catholic, but he’s not part of a Protestant stream or church and is a self-proclaimed preacher (like Joseph Smith) doing something that has often been done in the US - preaching the end of the world.

I have read many articles and even books about this, but I still don’t know why this “end-times” stuff is so popular in the US.


13 posted on 05/20/2011 11:39:16 AM PDT by livius
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To: bibletruth
How cute! Did you slap that together yourself?

Entirely off topic, by the way.

I fail to understand how anyone could hate The Church so blindly that at the mere mention of religion their first reaction is the lash out like a wounded boar at Catholicism.

14 posted on 05/20/2011 11:39:37 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: ctdonath2

Or it won’t. ;>)


15 posted on 05/20/2011 11:40:01 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Still, Obama’s betrayal of Israel was timely enough to make be take pause.

Is it possible that "cause" and "effect" are reversed?

16 posted on 05/20/2011 11:41:21 AM PDT by asinclair (When the people vote themselves bread and circuses...)
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To: ctdonath2

LOL!!


17 posted on 05/20/2011 11:43:08 AM PDT by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

The 1st millenium was very bad and produced huge numbers of writings (along with a few gorgeous illuminated manuscripts) mostly written by hermits or monks in Northern Spain and the marginal areas of Northern Europe.

However, there was never an official Catholic “the End of the World is Tomorrow” campaign. And as I said, while the current crop of flakes comes out of Protestantism, they are independent operators, mostly people from the Protestant Evangelical or Pentecostal streams who have set up their own churches.


18 posted on 05/20/2011 11:44:25 AM PDT by livius
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To: asinclair

Nature of a God that lives outside time, I suppose.

On topic, this “preacher” is a kook and to call him a Protestant is an unfair slur to Protestants.


19 posted on 05/20/2011 11:46:14 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: livius

Like I said, not going to throw stones.

I am sure some anti-Roman Catholic Freeper will dig up some nut Priest or Bishop proclaiming the end is near.

In truth, said nuts are only a reflection on themselves.


20 posted on 05/20/2011 11:49:48 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: bibletruth

I thought the woman in Revelation 12 was the Whore of Babylon. I guess I need to read it again.


21 posted on 05/20/2011 11:50:33 AM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: Celtic Cross

They park outside our Cathedral and spew their hatred and leaflet the pews.

We finally got a special parking designation to protect that space so that funeral directors and people related to funerals and weddings could park outside the doors. The big vans of the Catholic-haters used to get there at dawn and occupy the spaces all day with vans painted with slogans like “Whore of Babylon”, “Sinners Burn in Hell,” etc.

Can you imagine the press if Catholics attacked Protestants in the same way? But we rise above that and we pray for them, because they are simply misguided.


22 posted on 05/20/2011 11:50:37 AM PDT by livius
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To: bibletruth
‘aint nobody going to Heaven cept me and mine!’.

I hope that the thought of just how few ‘make the cut’ (according to you) makes you feel good about yourself.

23 posted on 05/20/2011 11:53:54 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I don’t worry about it. People speculate on the end of the world, but no pope or bishop has ever had people out on their rooftops waiting for it.

Still, I can’t hate these poor folk. They’re poorly educated on any level, have somehow scraped up the money to do this (and I have lived in a place where I knew somebody whose husband had a “church” in his garage where he collected big bucks from about 10 little old Protestant ladies), and probably do believe what they’re saying.

That’s why they need to come back to the Church. When people go off on their own, the Devil is watching and waiting.


24 posted on 05/20/2011 11:56:47 AM PDT by livius
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To: bibletruth

I judge not.


25 posted on 05/20/2011 11:58:51 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Is it 2012 yet?)
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To: bibletruth
"Rev 12+Mary is a private interpretation by a group of like minded interpreters..."

The entire Protestant circus train comes off the tracks when you get down to the argument over authority to interpret Scripture. Your argument is that your "private" interpretation is superior to the "private" interpretation of the teaching authority of the institution that, under the direct guidance of the Holy Spirit, preserved, published and defended the Bible. As so eloquently stated at scripturecatholic.com:

"Scripture reveals this Church to be the one Jesus Christ built upon the rock of Saint Peter (Matt. 16:18). By giving Peter the keys of authority (Matt. 16:19), Jesus appointed Peter as the chief steward over His earthly kingdom (cf. Isaiah. 22:19-22). Jesus also charged Peter to be the source of strength for the rest of the apostles (Luke 22:32) and the earthly shepherd of Jesus' flock (John 21:15-17). Jesus further gave Peter, and the apostles and elders in union with him, the power to bind and loose in heaven what they bound and loosed on earth. (Matt. 16:19; 18:18). This teaching authority did not die with Peter and the apostles, but was transferred to future bishops through the laying on of hands (e.g., Acts 1:20; 6:6; 13:3; 8:18; 9:17; 1 Tim. 4:14; 5:22; 2 Tim. 1:6).

By virtue of this divinely-appointed authority, the Catholic Church determined the canon of Scripture (what books belong in the Bible) at the end of the fourth century. We therefore believe in the Scriptures on the authority of the Catholic Church. After all, nothing in Scripture tells us what Scriptures are inspired, what books belong in the Bible, or that Scripture is the final authority on questions concerning the Christian faith. Instead, the Bible says that the Church, not the Scriptures, is the pinnacle and foundation of the truth (1 Tim. 3:15) and the final arbiter on questions of the Christian faith (Matt. 18:17). It is through the teaching authority and Apostolic Tradition (2 Thess. 2:15; 3:6; 1 Cor. 11:2) of this Church, who is guided by the Holy Spirit (John 14:16,26; 16:13), that we know of the divine inspiration of the Scriptures, and the manifold wisdom of God. (cf. Ephesians 3:10).

I hope that this site gives Catholics the biblical and patristic knowledge they need to answer questions about their faith, and helps them rediscover the truth of their faith as taught by Sacred Scripture. I further pray that non-Catholics come to recognize that God's gift of salvation comes only through Jesus Christ and His Catholic Church. I also pray that each one of us grows more deeply in love with Jesus as we become better Bible Christians (or, rather, "Scripture Catholics")."

26 posted on 05/20/2011 12:10:23 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Celtic Cross

You can have your “ISM” and be glad... I know that I have a personal relationship with my Savior and Father, FOR I am DECLARED a son of God in Romans 8:14-16. My relationship with my Father is this: God is my Father, I am His son as a saved Saint - Believer. Christ is my savior for He died for all my sins, past, present, future; He rose from the dead: I have faith alone in Christ alone. There is nothing that the Catholics can do for my salvation, nor can they take away my salvation: for it is ALL OF God and Christ; no man can take away my salvation. Praise Christ my LORD and savior.


27 posted on 05/20/2011 12:27:16 PM PDT by bibletruth
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To: livius

For amusement, some pretty stout folks have been taken in:

Saint Clement I 100

Saint Martin of Tours 400

(Antipope) Hippolytus predicted 500

Germans went completely off the rails late 900s

1000-MAY: The body of Charlemagne was disinterred on Pentecost. A legend had arisen that an emperor would rise from his sleep to fight the Antichrist.

1033 -— lots of folks

1284 (Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto the date the Islam was founded — not a bad guess, IMHO)

1689: Benjamin Keach, a 17th century Baptist

1792: This was the date of the end of the world calculated by some believers in the Shaker movement.

1794: Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism


28 posted on 05/20/2011 12:28:59 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
1284 (Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto the date the Islam was founded — not a bad guess, IMHO)

LOL! Well, maybe his calculations were off...but Islam, a syncretist fraud that is the anti-Christianity and anti-Judaism, will most likely have something to do with it.

Still, we know not the hour...

29 posted on 05/20/2011 12:42:57 PM PDT by livius
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To: sodpoodle
I judge not, except to foster what Paul said to Timothy (2Tim): All scripture is given by inspiration of Bid, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnish unto all good works.

I judge not, but remember what our Lord said: Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and NARROW is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.

I judge not: for Christ has already judged this matter, and I am free to reflect and bring it up for edification; so consider youself edified by a true believer In Christ.

So the truth is this: not many, not even a lot, of those souls you mentioned ever reach heaven based on the teachings of Christ Jesus.

30 posted on 05/20/2011 12:46:13 PM PDT by bibletruth
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To: Ingtar
Revelation 12: the primary focus is about the geneology of Israel giving birth to Christ, by a Jewish woman, who also needed salvation, and Satan's attempt to kill thee Christ.

The Whore of Revelation basically begins in Revelation 17.

31 posted on 05/20/2011 12:57:05 PM PDT by bibletruth
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To: bibletruth
"I am His son as a saved Saint"

There is nothing that the Catholics can do for my salvation

MY GOD, MY CHRIST, MY SAVIOR and neither me has ADDED (and neither me? As in 'me and God?')

and I am free to reflect and bring it up for edification; so consider youself edified by a true believer In Christ."

And quite a humble character you are too.

32 posted on 05/20/2011 1:07:13 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: bibletruth
"So the truth is this: not many, not even a lot, of those souls you mentioned ever reach heaven based on the teachings of Christ Jesus."

So you have a direct line to heaven? You get the inside scoop on who is there and who isn't?

33 posted on 05/20/2011 1:08:19 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: bibletruth

yu got that rite!


34 posted on 05/20/2011 1:14:23 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Is it 2012 yet?)
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To: Celtic Cross

Gud thing God don’t giv spellin tests;)

tee hee.


35 posted on 05/20/2011 1:18:32 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Is it 2012 yet?)
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To: bibletruth

Who’s the woman?


36 posted on 05/20/2011 1:25:48 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray. For all the latest, check out: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/)
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To: bibletruth
Wow!

Thorium might help.

37 posted on 05/20/2011 1:28:56 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: bibletruth
The true Church always welcomes back those who have fallen away.
38 posted on 05/20/2011 1:32:07 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: bibletruth

Because no passage of Scripture ever had dual meanings did it? Passages only mean one thing and one thing alone, do they?

I marvel at this logic....I am supposed to read this chapter about a *woman giving birth to the Redeemer* and not once—NOT EVER—think of Our Lady Mary.

Stuff and nonsense. As if St. John was that stupid of a writer.


39 posted on 05/20/2011 1:40:02 PM PDT by Claud
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To: bibletruth

And the connection between the original post and your discourse on Mary and the Revelation to John is ......?


40 posted on 05/20/2011 1:48:19 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: bibletruth

Ping to #22.

For me personally, I find it useless to converse, except about things like the weather or politics, with people who think they know what I think better than I do.


41 posted on 05/20/2011 1:54:13 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Celtic Cross

Christ Jesus said we are the light to the world, light does not cower and hide in a closet. St Paul rightly said via the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, that we are ambassadors for Christ; ambassadors do not cower and hide in a closet. If someone, as I do, proclaim Christ is risen, Christ is the only way to heaven, then I do correctly to proclaim it in public. I am an evangelist and no need to hide my faith and secure standing with God and Christ. I am not ashamed of the gospel. You criticize my character in order to match you presumptuous of how a Saint-Believer must act: but you completely miss the weight and gravity of more important issues regarding salvation. Christianity is equally measured on what we say and believe, not merely alone on how we humbly go quietly about our lives.


42 posted on 05/20/2011 1:58:19 PM PDT by bibletruth
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To: bibletruth
Revelation is the work Luther and other reformers wanted to excise. This latest individual prideful interpretation of scripture is a product of C.I. Schofield who produced a bible in the late 1800"s with copious notes. Schofield sees everything thru a "Dispensationalist " lens and tries to decode the plan God.

Therefore, the Dispensationalists are the very ones who criticize Catholics for the magisterium yet look what evil they have fostered on Christians with Camping and his many predecessors.

The advocates of dispensationalism and Sola Scriptura will argue they are not as loony as Camping but their methodology and foundational assumptions, based on their individual interpretation of scripture, is no better than what they allege to be the man made doctrines of Catholics.

The prideful interpretations of the ones preaching the Rapture like Camping have no moral authority other than each other, because for each of them, it is just them and their bible.

These dispensationalists treat the bible as a supernatural code book, a fortune tellers code book. These Sola Scriptura types, with their cataclysmic prognostications, have always been wrong, and as such demonstrate lamentable ignorance of sacred scripture.

Rapture types know they will eventually die so they predict the whole world will die instead . It is a sick kind of twist in the human heart and imagination to look at Christianity to be a laughable religion for inadequate loonies.

43 posted on 05/20/2011 2:09:27 PM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: Persevero
To be fair, Protestant scholars are also debunking this latest absurdity from Mr. Camping. There is no Protestant church that will own him.

Harold Camping dates the removal of the Holy Spirit from the churches to the time he was removed from teaching at the last church he was in, 22 years ago.

44 posted on 05/20/2011 2:11:22 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (http://obamaclock.org/ -- "A time, two times and half a time")
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To: starlifter
I am in the true Church: I have never fallen away: my name is written in the book of life
45 posted on 05/20/2011 2:36:06 PM PDT by bibletruth
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To: Claud
Of course only a fool would deny that it was not that very Jewish women named Mary, who was given the privilege to give birth to the humanity of Jesus. I do not deny it.

But not once - NOT EVER - does the Bible refer to Mary as Capital -O- Our; Capital -L- Lady; Mary. NOT EVER does the Bible ever deify Mary with capital letters, which are reserved alone for God, Christ, Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, Godhead, which designate deity. Mary is not deity, so stop capitalizing adjectives and pronouns before Mary's name: for that clearly makes here out to be reserved as deity. Read English grammar is you don't believe either God or me on this matter.

46 posted on 05/20/2011 2:46:01 PM PDT by bibletruth
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To: Celtic Cross
ITS ALL BIBLICAL: ITS NOT SLAPPED TOGETHER:

Since I only quote from the Bible, this is NOT off topic!

That the book of Revelation has Mary misrepresented in Revelation 12. The women in Rev 12 being with child IS ISRAEL, because Israel has the genealogy of Messiah, not the Catholics.

Rev 12+Mary is a private interpretation by a group of like minded interpreters...

Rev 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that re written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out the the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

For in that HE died, HE died unto sin ONCE: but in that HE liveth, HE liveth unto God. Romans 6:10

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

47 posted on 05/20/2011 2:50:03 PM PDT by bibletruth
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To: bibletruth
I'm intrigued by your take on παντοτε in Phil 4:4.
48 posted on 05/20/2011 2:56:48 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: allmendream
Regarding heaven, maybe you can take a Biblical lesson from Revelation 17:8 where it mentions that some will not be going to heaven:

17:8 ...and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names WERE NOT written in the book of life from the foundation of the world...

Furthermore, try learning directly from Jesus in Matthew 25:31-46, read this and see if you find that ALL go to heaven!

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

This is not some cute game I am playing, as you falsely claim. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ. I plead with all whom I meet to believe in Christ's saving grace. I plead with you to put down childish things and move unto the meat of the Word of God, and forsake the way of Cain...

49 posted on 05/20/2011 3:04:46 PM PDT by bibletruth
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I will pray for you.


50 posted on 05/20/2011 3:07:10 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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