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Allied diplomats pressed Pope Pius to be silent on Nazi deportations
CNS ^ | May 20th, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 05/20/2011 9:49:27 PM PDT by bronxville

MANCHESTER, England (CNS) --

U.S. and British diplomats discussed exerting pressure on Pope Pius XII to be silent about the Nazi deportations of Hungarian Jews, according to newly discovered documentation. The British feared that the wartime pope might make a "radio appeal on behalf of the Jews in Hungary" and that in the course of his broadcast would "also criticize what the Russians are doing in occupied territory."

Sir Francis D'Arcy Osborne, the British ambassador to the Vatican, told an American diplomat that "something should be done to prevail upon the pope not to do this as it will have very serious political repercussions." Osborne's comments were made to Franklin C. Gowen, an assistant to Myron Taylor, the U.S. special representative to the Vatican.

Gowen recorded the conversation in a letter to Taylor, saying he had promised Osborne that he would bring his concerns to the "immediate attention" of the U.S. ambassador. "It was understood that, pending your reaction, he would not take any steps vis-a-vis the Holy See," Gowen told Taylor.


TOPICS: Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: ambassador; american; archbishop; bishop; british; cardinal; contributor; deportations; diplomat; france; holocaust; holysee; jewish; journalist; popepius; researcher; russians; us; vatican

1 posted on 05/20/2011 9:49:31 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

More information from the “Curious Presbyterian” -

“Evidence shows Allies urged Pope Pius XII not to publicly speak out against Holocaust...

The United States and Great Britain discouraged Pope Pius XII from speaking out against Nazi brutality, warning the Pope that a public protest could have grave consequences. The Allies’ recommendation is reported in a document unearthed recently by the New York-based Pave the Way Foundation, founded by an American Jew, Gary Krupp.

Krupp asserted that these revelations help to give context for the way in which Pius XII handled the Nazi horror. The document is correspondence between the British representative to the Holy See, Sir D’Arcy Osborne, and Myron Taylor, his U.S. counterpart.

A Nov. 7, 1944, note signed by Taylor’s assistant, Franklin C. Gowen, reports to Taylor that Osborne “called and said that he feared the Holy Father may make Radio appeal on behalf of Jews in Hungary and that in his appeal he may also criticise what the Russians are doing in occupied territory.”

“Sir D’Arcy said something should be done to prevail upon the Pope not to do this,” the note added, “as it would have very serious political repercussions.”

. . . Further information about the Catholic response to the Holocaust has been uncovered by Dimitri Cavalli, a journalist, researcher, and contributor to Pave the Way archives and publications. He has located documents from an international Jewish press called the JTA (Jewish Telegraph Agency).

One release dated June 28, 1943, reports Vatican Radio denunciations of the treatment of Jews in France. A few days earlier, June 25, 1943, the JTA reported the denunciation in German of anti-Semitic actions in Slovakia.

Cavalli also discovered a May 19, 1940, Jewish Chronicle magazine published by B’nai B’rith featuring Pope Pius XII’s picture on the front cover with the lead article titled The Pope’s Jewish scholars. This article reports how the Vatican was hiring Jewish academics who were fired by Italian institutions due to Mussolini’s anti-Semitic laws.

The JTA also reported a confrontation between Cardinal Pierre-Marie Gerlier, archbishop of Lyon, when he was visited by Nazi authorities in France. The Nazis told the archbishop they would leave the Church alone, if the cardinal and other clergy would not oppose the anti-Jewish laws and would stop protecting Jews.

The cardinal responded that the French clergy did not engage in politics but “is obeying the Pope.” He cut short the confrontation telling the Nazis, “You no doubt know that the Holy Father has condemned the anti-Semitic laws and all anti-Jewish measures.”

Another JTA article, from Feb. 5, 1943, reported a strong condemnation of Nazi theories from Cardinal Jusztinián Györg Serédi, archbishop of Esztergom. On the same page is a short article on how Mussolini is reported to be relaxing his Jewish racial laws in order to try to strengthen his relations with the Vatican.

The Jewish Chronicle of London dated Sept. 9, 1942, reports that Joseph Goebbels, minister of propaganda in Nazi Germany, printed 10 million pamphlets in multiple languages for distribution in Europe and Latin America, condemning Pope Pius XII for his pro-Jewish stance.

When can we expect an apology for his false — and now empirically refuted – accusations from arch anti-Catholic bigot Richard Dawkins?”

I won’t be holding my breath.
http://curiouspresbyterian.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/richard-dawkins-empirically-refuted-yet-again-new-evidence-shows-pope-pius-xii-protected-jews/


2 posted on 05/20/2011 9:54:30 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville

What’s new? Another betrayal by none other than our friends, the anti-semitic brits and the anti-semitic US state department. May they in the hell they made up for themselves.


3 posted on 05/20/2011 9:55:58 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: bronxville
- Beautiful artwork for a beautiful man of God.
4 posted on 05/20/2011 9:56:02 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: MestaMachine

Yes, and the Armenians suffered even more when they were cleansing Turkey of Christians.


5 posted on 05/20/2011 9:59:26 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: MestaMachine

I am disgusted that Pope Pius was so vilified and personally it disgusts me that the Brits would do this, knowing what was going on. If the Pope had spoken up (as John Paul II did with Communism) I am more than sure that Hungarian Jews would have been saved and that things could have been turned around and I bet that the Pope would have been able to start not just ending deportations, but at also saving Jewish lives who were in those camps.

Why are the Brits so anti-semitic?


6 posted on 05/20/2011 10:06:35 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: bronxville
The United States and Great Britain discouraged Pope Pius XII from speaking out against Nazi brutality, warning the Pope that a public protest could have grave consequences. The Allies’ recommendation is reported in a document unearthed recently by the New York-based Pave the Way Foundation, founded by an American Jew, Gary Krupp. Krupp asserted that these revelations help to give context for the way in which Pius XII handled the Nazi horror. The document is correspondence between the British representative to the Holy See, Sir D’Arcy Osborne, and Myron Taylor, his U.S. counterpart.

Some Protestants claim that the Pope should have spoken out more forcefully/more specifically re Hitler and Nazi Germany. The counter-argument is often made by Catholics that the Catholic Church saved 860,000 lives through the Church's (relatively) wordless actions.

Is the argument being made that the Pope would have spoken out more forcefully, but for the intervention of these Allied diplomats? If that's the claim, who gets the credit for 860,000 Jewish lives saved by the Pope's not speaking out?

7 posted on 05/20/2011 10:14:46 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed: he's hated on seven continents)
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To: bronxville; Niuhuru

Listen. The brits have always cared about their own arses and the hell with everyone else. What they did then, they still do today.
Had hitler succeeded during WWII, his next target was the Roman Catholic Church. He supported, and was supported BY, a breakaway sect of Catholics who had no allegiance to Rome, and after he had used them, he slaughtered them wholesale.
LOOK what the brits have led in doing to libya. GREED. Pure simple.
As for the Armenians, it wasn’t “worse” or better, any more than it was for the aged, the infirm, the retarded, the crippled, the Gypsies, the Christians, or the Jews. Genocide is NEVER good or bad. It is ALWAYS pure evil. You cannot equate them to each other in any other way. Whether it is Africns or Aborigines, white, yellow, red or green. 6 or 6 million.
There is no such thing as a “worse” genocide.


8 posted on 05/20/2011 10:31:56 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: Alex Murphy

Those who condemn Pius XII do not understand that he was facing two evils. His first duty was to protect the church. hitler had spies and plants within the church. What good would it have done for him to call even more attention to HIMSELF? None. And he would hve been killed. what good is dead pope?


9 posted on 05/20/2011 10:39:50 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: MestaMachine

The Allies betrayed General Patton, too, and may have had him killed (or Stalin did) because he hated the Russians and thought they were more evil bastards than the Nazis (and that is saying something!). (Target Patton).

Eisenhower and Montgomery were in bed with the Communists utterly ignoring their atrocities and trying to foil Patton’s every move all during the war. Made Patton puke and he was going to Congress to bring all their traitorous actions to light. Eisenhower, who had Presidential ambitions, wanted him to shut up. If Patton would have been listened to...WWII (by many top historian’s estimates) would have ended at least a year earlier and saved hundreds of thousands of Allied lives. Patton was a genius and the most common question of the Axis Powers was, “Where is Patton?”


10 posted on 05/20/2011 10:46:15 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: bronxville

The Brits and the U. S. State Dept. might have tried to influence Pope Pius XII, but it doesn’t seem to have worked.


11 posted on 05/20/2011 10:55:04 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Niuhuru

“personally it disgusts me that the Brits would do this”

The same brits who rewrote the New Testament for a murdering, womanizing, jaded king? Think about it.


12 posted on 05/20/2011 10:56:00 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: MestaMachine

“There is no such thing as a “worse” genocide.”

Of course I agree. I can see I phrased it badly with the “even more” while just meaning to name another ethnic group they cleansed.


13 posted on 05/20/2011 10:56:45 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: SuziQ

It only worked to the extent that a VOICE was silenced. The actions were not. Point of fact, the silence probably helped.


14 posted on 05/20/2011 10:57:56 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: bronxville

I understand, but you know, a LOT of people don’t. They think that we Jews are only concerned with ourselves. That could not be further from the truth.


15 posted on 05/20/2011 11:00:50 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: savagesusie
"The Allies betrayed General Patton, too, and may have had him killed (or Stalin did) because he hated the Russians and thought they were more evil bastards than the Nazis (and that is saying something!). (Target Patton).

I am ashamed to say it, but the Allies knew about the holocaust and did nothing to stop it because of the resource drain it was on the Axis. The victims represented another potential 3 million Axis troops and tens of thousands of educated professionals. in the big picture they were expendable and the Popes efforts to save them ran counter to Allied interests.

16 posted on 05/20/2011 11:02:31 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Alex Murphy

At the end of the war, the head Rabbi of Rome converted to Roman Catholicism. That’s good enough evidence for me.


17 posted on 05/20/2011 11:04:17 PM PDT by Barnacle (Is treason a high crime or misdemeanor?)
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To: Natural Law

I am afraid our history of the 20th Century Wars (along with all American history) has been largely revised by the Marxists in academia. Our curricula in schools and publishing outlets are controlled by an elite few who only allow the Marxist viewpoint and destroy, disparage, or eliminate other viewpoints.


18 posted on 05/20/2011 11:18:49 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: MestaMachine

“I understand, but you know, a LOT of people don’t. They think that we Jews are only concerned with ourselves. That could not be further from the truth.”

It’s provable, Henry Morgenthau Sr., a Jew, remains an Armenian Hero to this day. A heartwretching story.


19 posted on 05/20/2011 11:35:09 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: MestaMachine

You have a point there. I honestly have to wonder sometimes about whether or not they really are allies of ours. Many of them look at Americans as ‘savages’ and consdiering how bad their culture has gotten, do we really want them anymore? They were really anti-American in a lot of posts about Osama Bin Laden and they are still whining about Iraq and Afhganistan. If the idiots hadn’t interfered in the region in the first place, I do not think that there would have been a problem at all.

“The same brits who rewrote the New Testament for a murdering, womanizing, jaded king? Think about it.”

Actually, that being Henry VIII, they only went along with a new “Church of England” that triggered so much religious bloodshed that it still hasn’t healed. I’ts neither really Protestant or Catholic, but created for the convenience of the monarch. William and his new wifey cohabited long before the marriage and still got a full nuptial mass for their ceremony and she wore white (with a low enough neckline).

They rewrote the testament for King James I.


20 posted on 05/21/2011 1:33:21 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: MestaMachine

There is no way that Hitler would have gotten away with assissinating the Pope, his own troops and SS would have turned on him. Many of his soldiers and SS were (no matter how Satanic their actions) were devout Catholics and revered the Pope and would never have countenanced murder of the Holy Father. It would also have galvinized the rest of the world against him as well all the more. Mussolini would have turned on Hitler in a heartbeat.


21 posted on 05/21/2011 1:45:29 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: bronxville

HITLER DIDN’T HAVE A POPE – BUT HE DID
HAVE A MUFTI

Long before the child-abuse scandal, liberals were abusing the Catholic Church by portraying Pope Pius XII as a Nazi stooge. Based on a steady drumbeat of propaganda, starting with the 1963 play “The Deputy,” some suspected that the wartime pope was wearing an SS uniform under his pontifical robes.

In the past, the most vigorous defenders of the pontiff, who died in 1958, were orthodox Catholic writers. Now comes David Dalin – scholar, professor of history and political science and a Conservative rabbi – with a most welcome work: “The Myth of Hitler’s Pope: How Pope Pius XII Rescued Jews From The Nazis.”

Starting in the autumn of 1943, Pius ordered Italian churches and convents to hide Jews.

• In Rome alone, 155 monasteries and convents sheltered more than 5,000.

• Roughly 3,000 Jews found refuge in Castel Gandolfo, the pontiff’s summer residence.

• Hundreds of Jews were housed within the walls of the Vatican.

• Monsignor John Patrick Carroll-Abbing, a rescuer, founder of Italy’s Boy’s Town and a close confident of Pius XII, testified in his memoirs that all of this was done at the direction of a pope who’s now derided as a closet anti-Semite. Dalin writes: “He (Carroll-Abbing) stressed that the idea that he and others like him acted in spite of the pope’s silence ‘is a blatant lie! I spoke to Pope Pius XII many times during the war, in person, face to face, and he
told me not once but many times to assist the Jews. … I can
personally testify that the pope gave me direct face-to-face verbal orders to rescue Jews.’”

• The eminent historian Martin Gilbert (author of “The Holocaust: A History of The Jews of Europe During The Second World War”)) agrees. In a 1998 interview, Gilbert observed, “Hundreds of thousands of Jews (were saved) by the Catholic Church, under the leadership and with the support of Pope Pius XII.”

As Rabbi Dalin points out, at a time when Allied leaders cared little about the death camps (with the honorable exception of Churchill), the Catholic Church rescued more Jews than any other institution in Europe.

As Dalin notes, it takes a particular callousness to distort the history of the Holocaust to score political points. In effect, the Catholic left is using the deaths of six million Jews to advance a theological agenda.

How else explain this relentless assault on Pius XII, when little has been written about the role of Hajj Amin al-Husseini, then the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, in aiding and abetting the Holocaust?

A precursor to al-Qaeda and Hamas, al-Husseini devoted his life and considerable polemical skills to fomenting the most rabid Jew hatred.

Dalin (who devotes a chapter in his book to Islamic anti-Semitism) reports that al-Husseini took up residence in Berlin early in the war, as an honored guest of Hitler. The mufti made propaganda broadcasts to the Arab world calling for the extermination of Jews (“Kill the Jews, wherever you find them. This pleases God, history andreligion,”alHusseini implored in one radio address) and recruited a Waffen SS
company among Bosnian Muslims.

After the war, Dieter Wisliceny (one of Eichmann’s lieutenants) testified that the mufti even visited Auschwitz, and urged guards in charge of the gas chambers to “work more diligently.”

Regrettably, this monster escaped prosecution as a war criminal (a case of Allied pandering to the Arabs). In the late 1940s, he met a young Yasser Arafat in Cairo, and the torch was passed to the next generation of Jihadist anti-Semites. (Arafat called the mufti, “our hero al-Husseini.”) Dalin sees a direct connection between al-Husseini’s
murderous ideology and today’s Islamic anti-Semitism and terrorism.

Why has the mufti received so little notice from the liberal historians and commentators who are so quick to condemn the wartime pope? Perhaps because, while it’s fashionable in elitist circles to bash the Catholic Church, criticism of Islam is considered in bad taste. Since Muslims are often
anti-Western, the left is willing to bend over backwards to keep from offending them.

http://www.donfeder.com/articles/0509DalinBook.pdf


22 posted on 05/21/2011 2:54:42 AM PDT by massmike (DADT repeal: the Boy Scouts now have tougher membership requirements than the Army!)
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To: massmike

One of the things that influenced the negative treatment of both Pope Pius XII and General Francisco Franco (who also sheltered Jews, admitted them to Spain and had Spanish embassies all over the world offering them refuge) was the fact that the two were also anti-Communist and anti-Stalin.

The US, particularly under Roosevelt, with his Communist-filled administration, was utterly charmed by “Uncle Joe” and completely ignored and even covered up the horrible misdeeds of the Communists (who also treated Jews badly). It was considered bad form and disloyal to even mention these things.

After the war, both Franco and Pope Pius XII were the focus of hatred from the Democrats and the US (left-leaning) media because of their anti-Communism, and scurrilous and completely false things were said about both of them.


23 posted on 05/21/2011 3:39:57 AM PDT by livius
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To: MestaMachine
It is not as if the US never acknowledged this after the war.

Actions like this - keeping a lid on the holocaust (and there were very, very many) as well as the continued persecution of the Jews after the war lead to Truman recognizing Israel in 1948.

24 posted on 05/21/2011 4:29:03 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MestaMachine

You are right, certainly what good is done by laying your life down for others.....Why is that what Jesus would do?? Oh ... um... never mind. (sarcasm off)


25 posted on 05/21/2011 5:26:15 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Niuhuru
Many of his soldiers and SS were (no matter how Satanic their actions) were devout Catholics

Some members of the Wehrmacht were. SS, not so much, although there is an interesting memoir written by a Catholic seminarian (later a priest) who ended up in the SS. (His SS superiors all thought the SS would "cure" him of his Catholicism. Didn't work.)

As to what Mussolini would have done ... interesting question. And the Italian people themselves might have risen up in guerilla war against their German occupiers.

26 posted on 05/21/2011 6:45:11 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: bronxville

I have read elsewhere that the allies were very uneasy about the the possibility the Pope would make anti Communist statements because Stalin was fighting Germany.


27 posted on 05/21/2011 7:07:09 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Niuhuru
William and his new wifey cohabited long before the marriage and still got a full nuptial mass for their ceremony and she wore white (with a low enough neckline).

It is not possible for Kate and William to have a full nuptial mass as they are not Catholic and the ABC should have required them to separate before he preformed their protestant wedding ceremony.

28 posted on 05/21/2011 7:08:16 AM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: massmike
Rabbi David Dalin's book "The Myth of Hitler's Pope" was excellent! It was chock full of first hand accounts, and other solid evidence that shows the left lies continually about Pope Pius XII.

It's clear that the left is doing this because of the move to make Pius a Saint. They also want to denigrate anything having to do with the Catholic Church, because they see the Church as their main enemy for changing the world to suit themselves.

29 posted on 05/21/2011 8:59:21 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Walkingfeather

You are kidding, right?


30 posted on 05/21/2011 9:52:58 AM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: massmike
"HITLER DIDN’T HAVE A POPE – BUT HE DID HAVE A MUFTI"

...AND A REICHBISHOP!

Ludwig Müller was installed by Hitler to the cabinet level position as Reichbishop and head of the Protestant Reich Church, (Deutsche Evangelische Kirche). The Reichkirche, as it was known, was formed by the Nazi party in 1936 to merge the 28 regional churches into a unified state church that espoused a single doctrine compatible with National Socialism. Fully compliant, on December 22, 1941, the German Evangelical Church called for all Protestant churches to withhold baptism to non-Aryans and bar them from all spheres of Protestant church life.

31 posted on 05/21/2011 9:58:33 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: MestaMachine

I’m curious, why do you make the distinction between the US State Department and the US as a whole in this affair, whilst placing collective responsibility on the British in general for the same?


32 posted on 05/21/2011 2:59:59 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Campion

“As to what Mussolini would have done ... interesting question. And the Italian people themselves might have risen up in guerilla war against their German occupiers. “

Likely. Even if Mussolini didn’t give a toss about religion (as indicated by his actions I am sure he HAD to have been indifferent), he would still have had the Italians to consider and he owuld have ended up lynched a lot sooner if he had let the Germans go after the Pope. The Pope is one of few people considered sacred (by many religions interestingly) and if he had spoken out, things would have been destroyed.

The Vatican spoke out LOUDLY against killing the terminally ill and retarded, with teh result of the Nazis stopping it (overtly anyway) as official government policy and if the Vatican had spoke up about the Jews, put the Nazis through the wringer about it, it would have either resulted in the end of it, or would have simply made things more impossible and more Jews would have lived. IF Pius had openly excommunicated Hitler, the more religious Germans would have turned their backs on him, or been less supportive of their policies, either way it would have put an end to an efficient system of butchery one way or another.


33 posted on 05/21/2011 4:34:36 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: MestaMachine

Ummm i was responding to the posters preposterous notion that what good does a dead pope do...? Shocking and dumbfounding comment.


34 posted on 05/21/2011 5:46:16 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather; MestaMachine

Good response - totally agree. Thanks for clarifying because I thought the same as Mesta.


35 posted on 05/21/2011 8:38:45 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: savagesusie

Yes, I’ve been backtracking and looking at what we’ve been told to what the other side has said and try and seek the truth in the middle. It despise the media. I can’t wait to get a Conservative in office so we can start some McCarthy hearings and that goes for ALL past presidents and their close advisors. Throw there butts in jail and many of the banksters. Reagan was great but how about George Schultz?

They’ve been modernizing the classics by changing words here and there...if you’ve got older copies hold on to them for your kids.


36 posted on 05/21/2011 8:47:09 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: SuziQ; All

That’s weird, I found an article by him yesterday as I was looking for a specific name, this popped up, and was manna from heaven. Excellent information, as you’ve said, all in one article, though admittedly I’ve haven’t given it the read it deserves yet. Will make time tomorrow...

Pius XII and the Jews
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/504iizii.asp?page=2

A few more but they’ve been around so you probably have them already...
http://users.binary.net/polycarp/piusxii.html
http://www.catholicleague.org/pius.php
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ct_churchandnazis.html

ping - SuziQ and all


37 posted on 05/21/2011 8:55:23 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville

36, worse grammar than usual. Apologise.


38 posted on 05/21/2011 8:56:34 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Walkingfeather

What was shocking about it? Jesus had His reason. That was His mission if the NT is to be believed. There is a whole world of difference between that and what Pius did, and what he COULD have done. And there was nothing he COULD have done if he was dead. Apples and oranges. Besides which, all the ways the Church DID help to rescue both Jews and Christians, he WAS laying down his life, and he knew it. Let’s not play semantics or holier than thou here. HE was not Jesus. He was not there to take on the sins of the world.


39 posted on 05/21/2011 9:29:00 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: bronxville

Yes...just recently Mark Twain and the Bible. The Marxists understand to control the ideas you control the language and words.

Political Correctness (cultural Marxism) is all about “their one view only allowed”- all else is attacked by name-calling and demeaning “words” to delegitimize the opponents of their sacred text of Satan.

They attack constantly and immediately anyone who dares to leave their plantation by their minions....the homosexuals, feminists, union goons, acorn, ALL PEOPLE who are devoid of logic and reason-—just ideologues who hate Judeo/Christian ideas, the Natural Family and God—the ideas that developed Western Civilization into the greatest successful experiment on earth of the most perfect civil society.

They think their totalitarianism of “utopia” will be better—as long as they can dictate every aspect of your life and confiscate all private property, even the minds of your children.


40 posted on 05/22/2011 11:48:16 AM PDT by savagesusie
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To: bronxville

If you haven’t read Rabbi Dalin’s book, “The Myth of Hitler’s Pope”, try to get it from your library.


41 posted on 05/22/2011 6:25:06 PM PDT by SuziQ
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