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Camping May 21 Rapture and the Replacement Theology Lie
vanity | 5/21/11 | marbren

Posted on 05/21/2011 4:46:26 AM PDT by marbren

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To: LurkLongley; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; 1000 silverlings

Regardless, I simply wanted to point out the standard Catholic bashing.


OF COURSE

BY AND WITH the standard Proddy bashing.

Ain’t the self-righteous, smug, arrogant, UnBiblical, irrational, Unhistorical, duplicitous, hypocritical !!!!TRADITIONAL!!!! stance of the Vatican Cult . . . incredible!


151 posted on 05/21/2011 10:23:27 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: RegulatorCountry

INDEED.


152 posted on 05/21/2011 10:24:36 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Jesus is coming again ONCE, not twice. When you understand that simple fact, your false teaching is very plain to see.


153 posted on 05/21/2011 10:24:43 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Alamo-Girl
!!!!ABSOLUTELY INDEED!!!!
BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD!
BLESSED BE THE GOD OF
ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB!

154 posted on 05/21/2011 10:27:16 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Got the Scripture to prove your assertion?


155 posted on 05/21/2011 10:29:06 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Biggirl

However, as has been said . . .

a worst thing would have been no publicity at all in the conventional media about the eternal issues of Christ Coming again.

There’s nothing like a controversy and a chance to bash 2ND COMING BELIEVING CHRISTIANS

to get publicity really ramped up.

I think it’s dreadful and will mangle many people. However, I suspect that the ledger at the end of the day will show how God used it to the benefit of The Kingdom in causing many people to think, question and search out the Scriptures on their own—that they would not have done otherwise.


156 posted on 05/21/2011 10:29:19 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Matthew 24, Jesus says His coming is singular, not plural. One second coming, no third coming.


157 posted on 05/21/2011 10:31:56 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: onthelookout777

Your links don’t seem to work for me.


158 posted on 05/21/2011 10:31:56 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Lee N. Field

Other than

TRUTH TELLERS, that is.


159 posted on 05/21/2011 10:32:34 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Just show me where the bible sanctions Sola Scriptura without using your self interpretations of scripture to justify what was invented almost 1600 years after the Bible's compilation.

It is Sola Scriptura not the bible which is under intense scrutiny and Camping used Sola Scriptura to drive many from the saving graces of Jesus.

This incident with Camping has made Christianity a laughingstock to the secular humanistic crowd and all the believers can do is distance themselves from the rapture and evangelical types to preserve the Faith for ourselves.

160 posted on 05/21/2011 10:33:32 AM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Satan will have his share from such hideousness.

However,

he cannot touch

ALMIGHTY GOD’S CAPACITY TO WORK *ALL* THINGS TO THE KINGDOM’S BENEFIT.


161 posted on 05/21/2011 10:33:37 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: bronx2

I don’t doubt that if Amie, under the anointing, had laid hands on a willing Camping, Camping would have felt a jolt from Holy Spirit like he’d never have experienced before.

I never found his mind any more open to truth on such matters than most RC minds hereon are.

I did give it several triesl—on the call-in show and once in person face to face.


162 posted on 05/21/2011 10:37:54 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Cvengr

Absolutely indeed.

That issue is one of the most MIND NUMBING, UNBIBLICAL, IRRATIONAL, STINKING PILES OF IDIOCY the REPLACEMENTARIANS put out.


163 posted on 05/21/2011 10:39:11 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
So, you are prepared to deny the following:

"Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have not hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever." (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17)

Be honest, now. Don't be afraid to stand by your doctrine, even if it means denying Scripture.

Are you prepared to deny that passage which clearly states that Jesus Christ will take whose "in Christ" off this earth?

164 posted on 05/21/2011 10:39:15 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: DaveMSmith

Ministers who preach hatred of the Catholic Church breaks up families and is hardly useful. I would suggest an agenda is driving their doctrine in many cases.


. . . rather like the the RC priests who demand that the CINO’s tow the line or break up families for not following the hidious hogwash from the Vatican Cult. . . . that would be 70% or so of the folks calling themselves RC.


165 posted on 05/21/2011 10:40:46 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

WRONG AGAIN.

Terminally wrong again.

What unBiblical nonsense.

Throw the rubberized pseudo-’bible’s’ and daffynitionaries away!


166 posted on 05/21/2011 10:42:10 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

WRONG AGAIN.

Mystifyingly, Scripture even indicates that there will be sacrifices during the Millenial reign of Christ.


167 posted on 05/21/2011 10:42:49 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Salvation

Sounds interesting.

Would there be anying of value to me from my perspective in it?


168 posted on 05/21/2011 10:44:40 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: bronx2; Amityschild; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; HossB86; ...

Y’all have been shown that the 30,000

is a brazen falsehood.

Interesting that y’all continue to put it out there.


169 posted on 05/21/2011 10:45:50 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

It might be at the library. He is very thorough in his assessment of The End Times. You might not like the Catholic references that are specific to the Church, but so far, I have found that it is quite Christian oriented.

Did you check out any other reviews on Amazon?

The fact that it was written in 1881 is, in itself, astounding to me.


170 posted on 05/21/2011 10:50:25 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: bronx2
Just show me where the bible sanctions Sola Scriptura without using your self interpretations of scripture to justify what was invented almost 1600 years after the Bible's compilation.

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16)

We know that the Bible is the Word of God. The Bible declares itself to be God-breathed, inerrant, and authoritative. We also know that God does not change His mind or contradict Himself. So, while the Bible itself may not explicitly argue for sola scriptura, it most definitely does not allow for traditions that contradict its message. Sola scriptura is not as much of an argument against tradition as it is an argument against unbiblical, extra-biblical and/or anti-biblical doctrines. The only way to know for sure what God expects of us is to stay true to what we know He has revealed—the Bible. We can know, beyond the shadow of any doubt, that Scripture is true, authoritative, and reliable.

This incident with Camping has made Christianity a laughingstock to the secular humanistic crowd

I absolutely agree with you there.

all the believers can do is distance themselves from the rapture and evangelical types to preserve the Faith for ourselves.

Well, since the doctrine of the event of the Rapture is in Scripture, and therefore given to us by God, I believe it and have no intention of "distancing" myself from it. The Rapture will happen, God said it will happen, and a million false prophets can come on the scene and make a mockery of that Scriptural doctrine and those who have absolute faith in God and what He has written will not stop believing it.

As far as distancing oneself from evangelicals, with the way some of them are buying into the end-time deceptions which are flourishing, I may have to agree with you there too.

171 posted on 05/21/2011 10:53:07 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Salvation
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SPENDING ALONE TIME
WITH A GOOD TRANSLATION
AND A NEW LIVING TRANSLATION
OR THE MESSAGE
AND
ASKING GOD TO MAKE HIMSELF REAL
IN TERMS ONE CAN UNDERSTAND
AND WRAP THEIR MINDS AND REALITY AROUND
WOULD BE FAR MORE FRUITFUL SPIRITUALLY.

172 posted on 05/21/2011 10:54:52 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Sorry, I’ve never seen that in my 54 years.


173 posted on 05/21/2011 10:56:23 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Salvation
SPENDING ALONE TIME
WITH A GOOD TRANSLATION
AND A NEW LIVING TRANSLATION
OR THE MESSAGE
AND
ASKING GOD TO MAKE HIMSELF REAL
IN TERMS ONE CAN UNDERSTAND
AND WRAP THEIR MINDS AND REALITY AROUND
WOULD BE FAR MORE FRUITFUL SPIRITUALLY.


HOLY SPIRIT
WILL
!!!!ALWAYS!!!!
OUT PERFORM
THE VATICAN ALICE IN WONDERLAND
SCHOOL OF THEOLOGY
AND REALITY MANGLING CULT
IN TERMS OF LEADING FOLKS
INTO ALL TRUTH!
24/7/365!

174 posted on 05/21/2011 10:57:10 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Actually, in some respects, his personality is more like Walter Mitty.

When I challenged him face to face, he seemed like a poor, confused, befuddled, Sancho Panza . . . a bit confused, troubled and dismayed that I wouldn’t take up the sword against the windmills of his mind.

He couldn’t see that I was doing, in a sense, exactly that.

I honestly think he’s doing the best he knows how to serve The Lord Jesus and His Kingdom.

He thinks he’s being exceedingly Biblical etc.

He does have a kind of stubborn pride but it’s not per se based on his own view of his own goodness—EXCEPT in terms of his ‘SUPERIOR’ Biblical interpretations.

He’s somewhat got a similar personality to Sam Walton founder of Walmart.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see him riding around in an old beat-up pickup decades old.


175 posted on 05/21/2011 11:01:27 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Salvation

Haven’t gotten to Amazon on it.

Will try and keep an eye out for it.

Thanks.


176 posted on 05/21/2011 11:03:11 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Siena Dreaming
The role of the church is the Bride of Christ.

And your point is....?

Just a stab in the dark here, but the thought is probably that Israel according to the flesh is the wife of Yahweh, as distinct from the bride of Christ. I have heard such from some of the dispensational school.

I know, it's pure looney-tunes.

177 posted on 05/21/2011 11:07:02 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalists say the darndest things!")
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To: LurkLongley; Quix
whether in Marian devotion, or, other forms of worship.

Wait - you need a proofreader before posting and making catholics' liars! Remember the talking points - 'catholics don't worship Mary, the CC code word is venerate'. Despite the fact that the synonyms for venerate are adore, deify, glorify, revere, reverence, worship - catholics ignore it.

but because I knew that there had to be at least one Catholic bashing post.

And that post is yours!! Funny how that works out - pointing a finger at someone else - and meanwhile.......

Bottom line which is common knowledge - the RCC and it's members are into IDOLATRY.
178 posted on 05/21/2011 11:07:43 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Lee N. Field; GiovannaNicoletta
Just a stab in the dark here, but the thought is probably that Israel according to the flesh is the wife of Yahweh, as distinct from the bride of Christ. I have heard such from some of the dispensational school.

Hi GiovannaNicoletta have you heard this before? I may have years ago I do not remember.

179 posted on 05/21/2011 11:22:29 AM PDT by marbren
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
private interpertation of Scripture leads one to all kinds of weird theology.

And those without The Spirit show a complete lack of knowledge - as your post clearly shows. Man is seperated from God due to sin, not Satan. LOL!!!!!!!!! Your time is up for a major oil change!

Talk about weird theology - you take the prize!
180 posted on 05/21/2011 11:29:56 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: CommerceComet
It is at best, grossly irresponsible, and more likely criminal. While I don't hold that the current political state of Israel has any special place in God's Redemptive Plan for His people, I believe that America needs to fiercely defend her for at least a couple of reasons.

How about a common sense solution. Instead of killing all the Jews Why not move them all to Wyoming or something?/s

This may make sense if you believe in replacement theology.

181 posted on 05/21/2011 11:31:02 AM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren
There are some passages in Isaiah which speak of the fact that the Jews will be given all the land promised to them and that God will not forsake them. God refers to Himself as Israel's "husband" here:

For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD of hosts; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth. (Isaiah 54:5)

182 posted on 05/21/2011 11:32:22 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: DaveMSmith

My stepDad relates how the priests in Southern NM in his youth would pressure the poorest of families in that area to cough up money to pray their recently deceased relatives out of Purgatory.

Just one example.


183 posted on 05/21/2011 11:36:24 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Don’t blame Matthew for your lack of knowledge - blame your teachers that teach falsehoods. Is it Matthew, also, who teaches on purgatory? Who takes the rap for that one?


184 posted on 05/21/2011 11:36:45 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Quix
You are past 60 so your step dad must be up there unless your mom is a cougar ;-)

Seriously though, that had to be some time ago.

185 posted on 05/21/2011 11:41:06 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: RegulatorCountry
will continue to be wrong so long as he pretends to have some special, hidden knowledge that the Bible itself directly contradicts the possibility of his having.

Exactly! God does not go against His Own Word “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" and it seems Camping tried, once again, to prove God wrong. From the beginning, this is the work of satan 'did God really say'.
186 posted on 05/21/2011 11:49:11 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: DaveMSmith

He was born in 1923 IIRC.

Lived down South until his late teens, IIRC.

Worse stuff goes on in Mexico and further South.


187 posted on 05/21/2011 11:51:30 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
You are correct in stating that even Amiee could not have disabused Camping but it would have taken intervention by the Holy Spirit to effect a Godly solution.

But therein lies the problem with Sola Scriptura, self interpretation and other trappings of the reformation.

Your belief system works for some and I suppose it is better to have the "Children of a Lesser God" possess some christian practices than to be pagans. How many more of these self proclaimed Sola Scriptura self interpretation advocates types exist to humiliate Christianity before the secular humanistic crowd. I bet Islam will use this event to discourage many from converting .

188 posted on 05/21/2011 12:01:38 PM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: DaveMSmith
The Catholics I know and am related to live good holy lives based on their churches teachings. I know I’ll be in heaven with them even if they worship differently here.

Is that the reason you think they will go to heaven - because they lived good holy lives?
189 posted on 05/21/2011 12:05:14 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: marbren

Having read through the 200 or so responses, I am left with one reaction: What an incredibly toxic and pointless thread.


190 posted on 05/21/2011 12:09:13 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: bronx2
This incident with Camping has made Christianity a laughingstock to the secular humanistic crowd and all the believers can do is distance themselves from the rapture and evangelical types to preserve the Faith for ourselves.

I believe it will show how following man leads to destruction. Camping and his man made beliefs which go against God's Word and the RCC and their man made doctrines which nullify God's Word should be an eye opener to anyone seeking Truth.

ANY teaching that goes against God's Word is deception which leads to destruction. God's Word is The Final Authority.
191 posted on 05/21/2011 12:11:38 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Quix
Just read Pub 78 and the related F990 to seal the argument in validating this number. You can't refute the number but I validate it with irrefutable sources. Thus the number stands as written and your objections to the existence of this number stands until refuted with empirical evidence. Just accept reality.

The number is probably much higher than 30,000 as I have not looked at the aforementioned source in four years and it has probably accreted.

192 posted on 05/21/2011 12:12:39 PM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: bronx2; GiovannaNicoletta; TaraP

NOPE.

NO SALE.

I guess you refuse to admit that but a fraction of such numbers are Proddy denominations.

And, evidently you also refuse to admit that the Vatican Cult has AT LEAST as many divisive groups and permutations.


193 posted on 05/21/2011 12:19:58 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: presently no screen name

Your assertions, that the RCC’s “Man Made doctrines which nullify God’s word”, are merely a product of your prideful interpretation of Scripture and worship of self similar to Camping. Cast off the prideful coat of Satan and accept the Truth which is Jesus devoid of these sinful interpretative messages you and your ilk bandy about. How shameful.


194 posted on 05/21/2011 12:20:43 PM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: marbren
If you listen to the old fool you can tell he is senile. He swears by creationism and during his talks quotes examples of man thousands of years ago ( before Christ). The guy makes no sense. The uneducated follow him, giving him their hard earned money.
195 posted on 05/21/2011 12:21:35 PM PDT by jetson
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To: presently no screen name
Is that the reason you think they will go to heaven - because they lived good holy lives?

Bingo!

196 posted on 05/21/2011 12:23:15 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Quix
Look, go and peruse the sources I mentioned and then refute. The names of each entity are listed and the 990 identifies them as being christian.If you can't believe objective reality how can you be trusted to interpret scripture?

A stiffed neck attitude in denying the objective reality of this number, absent any empirical evidence save self serving rants, is very telling. It serves to discredit your entire testimony.

197 posted on 05/21/2011 12:28:22 PM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: bronx2
Evidently some people have not explored The Catechism of the Catholic Church. for they would see how God-centered it really is!

I invite all non-Catholics to look at the Table of Contents of this extensive book.

198 posted on 05/21/2011 12:31:02 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Quix

Quix!

Here is the link from three weeks ago, another forum of interest,

...

to everyone else, my apologies for butting in, not online much due to Zyrtec induced headache

...

Quix,

http://www.watchmanscry.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7710

forum of interest link.
###


199 posted on 05/21/2011 12:31:05 PM PDT by Joya (Jesus is coming back. Something to look forward to, it is more than enough.)
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To: bronx2; Amityschild; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; HossB86; ...

I might get around to it.

I might not.

I’ve never observed your . . . assertions, references, pontification . . . to have much affinity for solid facts or truth in such matters.


200 posted on 05/21/2011 12:32:02 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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