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Camping May 21 Rapture and the Replacement Theology Lie
vanity | 5/21/11 | marbren

Posted on 05/21/2011 4:46:26 AM PDT by marbren

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To: Siena Dreaming
"You are quite wrong."

:-) heh, heh. Listen, I had three 15 year olds who told me that daily! You've simply got to step up your game... Particularly on the last day of the world. Perhaps you can have that discussion with Paul after 6pm tonight. I wish you peace amidst the destruction today, ampu

51 posted on 05/21/2011 6:40:02 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Siena Dreaming
Everyone in history is saved by grace through faith.
52 posted on 05/21/2011 6:40:49 AM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren
Yes, satan has a plan.

And he'll lose the battle of Armageddon before it starts. The big lie here is faith alone saves. People are flocking to churches who don't follow the Ten Commandments and accept any sinful lifestyle imaginable. Judgement Day will be how you live your life according to your religion, not what you believe.

53 posted on 05/21/2011 6:40:58 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Camping has been deceived by Satan, the great deceiver, the great accuser. Jesus stated very plainly that WE do not know the hour of His return because even HE does not know the hour of His return, that only God the father knows that hour.

Correct. Unfortunately Camping and his people are not the only ones.

We've got plenty of people obsessed with trying to figure out the dates/hours right here on FR.

54 posted on 05/21/2011 6:42:18 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: marbren

You forgot faith follows repentance.


55 posted on 05/21/2011 6:42:47 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Siena Dreaming

I suggest you spend a little more time with brother Paul.

There is a natural body, and a spiritual body. This applies to fleshly bodies, bodies terrestrial, bodies celestial and to bodies of people in the form of nations.

There is a natural Israel and there is a spiritual Israel. Belonging to one does not necessarily mean belonging to the other, just as the corrupt cannot put on incorruption.


56 posted on 05/21/2011 6:44:28 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Agreed, Thank You.
57 posted on 05/21/2011 6:44:31 AM PDT by marbren
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
:-) heh, heh

Interesting response to the logical argument Paul puts forth in almost every epistle about christians being the fulfillment...the "true Israel" or "true circumcision" as he puts it.

Too bad you don't have anything more sensical to say.

58 posted on 05/21/2011 6:46:04 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: RegulatorCountry

I heard the Family Radio website had 3 million hits last month - April. Doesn’t sound marginal to me.


59 posted on 05/21/2011 6:48:28 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: RegulatorCountry
There is a natural body, and a spiritual body

There is a natural Israel and there is a spiritual Israel

And why do you direct these comments to me? Have I said differently?

60 posted on 05/21/2011 6:49:12 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: DaveMSmith

The Good works come in the sanctification process. God does the work through us. First we must be born again and justified however. The first step is to be poor in spirit and have a need for our Savior.


61 posted on 05/21/2011 6:49:17 AM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren

On to the next end of the world....


62 posted on 05/21/2011 6:58:55 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: sueuprising

Read Romans 11:25-32


63 posted on 05/21/2011 6:59:50 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Siena Dreaming

Dear Siena,

You appear to have a wish to be argumentative. I do not.
I have considered the arguments you bring forth in the past
and do not find them persuasive. Perhaps you do and I’m
perfectly happy for you to choose to believe them wholeheartedly.
I’ve no wish to rehash them, now that I reached personal
conviction in the matters we are referring to.

Instead, as much as it depends on me, I wish to be at peace with all
men, as the Scriptures command. This includes those with whom
I disagree about things that are not central tenants of the Gospel.

In my personal experience here on FR, those who wish to argue
can find that argument, but at the end of the thread, neither
side has changed their opinion. Not surprising, since these same
issues have been around for hundreds of years. I’ve also learned
that those who wish to always argue are not pleasant to be around.

Having said that, I suggested you take it up directly with the
Apostle Paul, who left us many inspired books to study. Let each
be convinced in his own mind.

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needs
not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

I wish you profitable study - particularly on this momentous day
of destruction and finality.

best,
ampu


64 posted on 05/21/2011 7:00:03 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: marbren

The works here would be turning to the Lord for repentance and asking for his help in removing sin then when tempted again, suffering the temptation of choice to live a better life with a stronger Faith or falling back on old behavior. This is regeneration. Lip service won’t save anyone.


65 posted on 05/21/2011 7:00:33 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Quix
As a Catholic, this whole end times debate sort of amuses me and reading this thread only continues to show me why Our Savior established One Church and she continues to this day to show the way to him, whether in Marian devotion, or, other forms of worship. We have been given the gift of not having to have endless debate.

Regardless, I read this thread, not really to read the posts between the various camps involved here but because I knew that there had to be at least one Catholic bashing post.

Thank you, my brother in Christ, for not letting me down!

66 posted on 05/21/2011 7:03:57 AM PDT by LurkLongley (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam-For the Greater Glory of God)
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To: Siena Dreaming

Understanding as you do, then, the natural-spiritual duality upon which the Apostle Paul so frequently expounded, then revisit prophecy.

Of which body does prophecy speak in Revelation? The natural, clearly. So, there is a very important role that the natural Israel is to play, both it’s people and the reestablished nation itself.

This refutes the belief that the promise of God to Israel has been somehow transferred to the Church.


67 posted on 05/21/2011 7:04:08 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: LurkLongley
We have been given the gift of not having to have endless debate.

Well. I must've imagined all those debates on FR between traditionalists, sedevacantists, Jesuits and "true Catholics" who support Vatican II wholeheartedly then, lol.

68 posted on 05/21/2011 7:08:48 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: marbren

“Replacement theology is a lie.”
_______________________

DITTOS.


69 posted on 05/21/2011 7:10:39 AM PDT by onthelookout777
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
You appear to have a wish to be argumentative. I do not. I have considered the arguments you bring forth in the past and do not find them persuasive

Too bad you do not find Paul's classifying the church as the "true Israel" and the "true circumcision" as persuasive. And yet you tell me to take it up with Paul? That is truly funny. I think perhaps you need to look in the mirror and say those very words to yourself since you ignore his words.

I have no "need" to be argumentative as you phrase it. I merely state truth directly from the broad sense of Scripture...Paul's in almost every epistle points to Christ and the Church as fulfilling Old Testament promises. It comes up over and over again in his arguments with the Jews. I believe it is you who argue with Paul.

70 posted on 05/21/2011 7:10:49 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: DaveMSmith
Lip service won’t save anyone.

I agree, pew sitting fire insurance does not work.

71 posted on 05/21/2011 7:10:58 AM PDT by marbren
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To: RegulatorCountry

it never fails to amaze me that there are those who don’t understand a very basic rule:

OT = types and shadows
NT = types and shadows fullfilled in the person of Jesus

Corporate Israel was the Church in the OT, once Jesus established His Church, the Israel of God was open to all who would put their faith in Jesus. These are the ones who are heirs of the promise of God to Abraham.


72 posted on 05/21/2011 7:13:27 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: RegulatorCountry
Of which body does prophecy speak in Revelation? The natural, clearly

Which prophecy? Which verse(s) in the 22 chapters are you speaking of exactly?

73 posted on 05/21/2011 7:13:46 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming

SD, you are spot on in your posts. God bless you!


74 posted on 05/21/2011 7:14:44 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Thank You one Lord one faith one baptism, I do appreciate the opposite position on replacement theology debated on this thread. Do you think Camping was influenced by replacement theology as I stated in the opening post?
75 posted on 05/21/2011 7:20:42 AM PDT by marbren
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To: RegulatorCountry

The Lord uses all to his own ends.

His promise to be with his Church forever is all I need to know.

Like any family, members can disagree, but, at the end of the day there is still someone to make a decision. Follow it or not at your our eternal peril.

Regardless, I simply wanted to point out the standard Catholic bashing.


76 posted on 05/21/2011 7:22:03 AM PDT by LurkLongley (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam-For the Greater Glory of God)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Thanks. I appreciate your post #72.

It's very good to see someone putting faith in Christ first and understanding how those OT promises HAVE BEEN fulfilled.

77 posted on 05/21/2011 7:22:40 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

“Scripture doesn’t say much about eternity after the millennial kingdom, but I don’t think there will be any distinctions between people during eternity”

Actually, the description of New Heaven and Earth in Revelation is pretty cool—do you really need much more than that? I’m looking forward to it.


78 posted on 05/21/2011 7:28:54 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Hasn’t the disobedience of the Jews invalidated God’s promises to them? Absolutely not. Or, to put it in the words of the apostle Paul, “May it never be!” (Romans 11:1).

Ever since the Fourth Century, when the Church adopted Amillennialism and began to divorce itself from its Jewish heritage, the prevalent Christian view concerning the Jews has been that “God washed His hands of them” in the First Century when He poured out His wrath on Jerusalem and allowed the Jews to be dispersed worldwide. An accompanying doctrine that developed over the years is called “replacement theology.” It is the idea that God replaced the Jews with the Church, that the Church has become the “new Israel,” and that the Church has inherited all the blessings that were previously promised to the Jews. Needless to say, these ideas have served as a source of much of the anti-Semitism that has characterized the Church for the past 1600 years.

The idea that God has “washed His hands of the Jews” is thoroughly unbiblical. In Jeremiah 31:36 God says the Jewish people will continue to be “a nation before Me forever.” He emphasizes the point by saying they will continue as a special nation of people until the fixed order of the universe ceases, or until all the heavens and ocean depths have been measured (Jeremiah 31:36-37). In Isaiah 49:14-16 God uses a different metaphor to emphasize His devotion to Israel. He says that He has the nation inscribed on the palms of His hands!

There are three chapters in the New Testament that strongly emphasize the continuing love of God for the Jews. These three chapters have been despised and ignored (or spiritualized into meaninglessness) throughout much of Christian history. The chapters are Romans 9-11. In Romans 9:4 Paul writes that God still has covenants with the Jews which He promises to fulfill. He then makes it clear that the Jews who will receive the blessings are a great remnant that will be saved in the end times (Romans 9:27).

Paul even specifically addresses the question of whether or not God has rejected the Jewish people. He asks, “God has not rejected His people has He?” (Romans 11:1). For 1600 years the Church has answered this question with an unqualified, “Yes!” But Paul answers it by saying, “May it never be!... God has not rejected His people whom he foreknew” (Romans 11:1-2).

But what about their disobedience? What about their rejection of God as king of their nation and Jesus as king of their hearts? Hasn’t their disobedience nullified the promises of God? Again, Paul specifically deals with this issue. He asks, “What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it?” (Romans 3:3). And again, for centuries the Church as responded, “Yes!” But not Paul. He responds by saying, “May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar” (Romans 3:4).

Paul becomes so overwhelmed by the grace of God in never giving up on the Jews, that he finally bursts forth with an ecstatic proclamation: “Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!” (Romans 11:33).

Excerpted from:

http://www.lamblion.com/articles/articles_revelation16.php


79 posted on 05/21/2011 7:30:25 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: ModelBreaker

I AGREE


80 posted on 05/21/2011 7:30:30 AM PDT by marbren
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To: ModelBreaker
No, I don't need much more than that but it is natural to have some questions about specifics.

But, we'll just have to wait and see. I have no doubt that the infinite mind of God will give us an eternity beyond what we could ever imagine.

I am also looking forward to it!

81 posted on 05/21/2011 7:35:13 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: RegulatorCountry

Hitler’s main problem with Catholicism, from what I have read in his writings, was that it looked to Rome and Italy - and not to anywhere in Germany.

Excellent post.


82 posted on 05/21/2011 7:37:03 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

In Jeremiah 31:36 God says the Jewish people will continue to be “a nation before Me forever.”

Which underscores my view that God’s Covenants are ETERNAL. He is ALWAYS faithful, He always holds His side, even if we stray - abd if we do, He wants us to return.
Thus, a further problem with replacement theology - you would have to throw out the entire Old Testament. Yet the Old Testament points to the New Testament, Jesus Christ.


83 posted on 05/21/2011 7:38:38 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Thank You RegulatorCountry, One thing that is still a bit of a mystery to me and may fit in. After Acts 15 Should Jewish Christians, not Gentile Christians, observe the Jewish traditions such as passover and circumcision etc. Is it God pleasing? and I do not mean the circumcision legalistic approach.


84 posted on 05/21/2011 7:38:42 AM PDT by marbren
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To: onedoug

That’s 12/21/12 ... :-)


85 posted on 05/21/2011 7:44:44 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: marbren; Quix; GiovannaNicoletta; Mad Dawg
Thank you so much for sharing your insights and concerns, dear brother in Christ!

As you know I'm against all forms of "replacement theology."

By all "all forms" I mean those beliefs which foster hatred toward the natural branches (supremacism > Holocaust) - to the more benign beliefs that boast against the natural branches.

It is all outside the will of God:

Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.

For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance. - Romans 11:18-29

To God be the glory, not man, never man.

86 posted on 05/21/2011 7:48:20 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: RegulatorCountry

The sad thing about this is that it will give another “black eye” to Christians, when this is the time to witness to others for the good news of the Gospel of the Lord.


87 posted on 05/21/2011 7:48:44 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marbren
For those that do not know, Replacement theology is the lie that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. ....The church was polluted by Replacement theology early on. Origen and Augustine, early Fathers of the church, were the first to muddy up the scriptures in this way when they arrogantly took on the mantle of Israel for themselves. Martin Luther apparently did not study it and this lead to his anti-Semitism and Hitler. In many ways IMHO it is like a reverse of the circumcision party that led to Acts 15.

No Reformed, amillennial or postmillennial Christian that I know of believes that they're replacing the Jews in God's eschatology. In fact, it's the modern dispensationalist who thinks that the Jews have been replaced by the church until the church disappears in the rapture!

According to English and every other dispensationalist, the Church has replaced Israel until the rapture. The unfulfilled promises made to Israel are not fulfilled until after the Church is taken off the earth. Thomas Ice, one of dispensationalism’s rising stars, admits that the Church replaces Israel this side of the rapture: “We dispensationalists believe that the church has superseded Israel during the current church age, but God has a future time in which He will restore national Israel ‘as the institution for the administration of divine blessings to the world.’”
-- From the thread Answering the "Replacement Theology" Critics (Part 1)

“...the very category of ‘replacement’ is foreign to Reformed theology because it assumes a dispensational, Israeleo-centric way of thinking. It assumes that the temporary, national people was, in fact, intended to be the permanent arrangement.”
-- From the thread Replacing “Replacement” Theology

"The historical premillennialist's view interprets some prophecy in Scripture as having literal fulfillment while others demand a semi-symbolic fulfillment. As a case in point, the seal judgments (Revelation 6) are viewed as having fulfillment in the forces in history (rather than in future powers) by which God works out his redemptive and judicial purposes leading up to the end. Rather than the belief of an imminent return of Christ, it is held that a number of historical events (e.g., the rise of the Beast and the False Prophet) must take place before Christ's Second Coming. This Second Coming will be accompanied by the resurrection and rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:15-18); this will inaugurate the millennial reign of Christ. The Jewish nation, while being perfectly able to join the church in the belief of a true faith in Christ, has no distinct redemptive plan as they would in the dispensational perspective. The duration of the millennial kingdom (Revelation 20:1-6) is unsure: literal or metaphorical."
-- From the thread Four Views on the Millennium

To believe [the world will wax worse and worse and lawlessness will increase until the Great Tribulation], you must conclude that either A) Transformed lives don't accomplish jack squat when working in groups, meaning groups can't be transformed B) God doesn't plan on transforming lives in the future, or b) The "transformed life" is but a temporary phenomena.
-- Alex Murphy, November 9, 2007
And Jesus answering saith unto them, "Have faith in God. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall watch the mountain groweth before him until it fills the whole earth, even unto crushing all the saints beneath it, yet yeah verily ye will declareth victory over whatsoever ye saith until death.

Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and keep ye deluding yourselves until that day when I will return unto you and finally accomplish Myself what ye could not do in My Name."
-- Mark 11:22-24, Pretrib Dispensational Version

Catholic Cleric: Jesus Cancelled Biblical ‘Chosen People’
CANDIDLY SPEAKING: EVANGELICALS: AN APPRECIATION
Sibley: NCC wrong on Christian Zionism
Replacing “Replacement” Theology
Answering the "Replacement Theology" Critics (Part 1)
Are There Consequences When Harming Israel?
Hagee denies belief in 'dual covenant theology'
Four Views on the Millennium
Who Really Stands with Israel?
Evangelicals seeing the error of 'replacement theology'

88 posted on 05/21/2011 7:53:59 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed: he's hated on seven continents)
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To: All

Helpful articles on Replacement Theology:

What About the Land Promises to Israel?
by Dr. Thomas Ice
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice-WhatAboutTheLandPromi.pdf

The Israel Of God
by Dr. Thomas Ice
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice-TheIsraelOfGod.pdf

Replacement Theology and the Epistle of Peter
by Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Fruchtenbaum-ReplacementTheologya.pdf

What Is Replacement Theology?
by Dr. Thomas Ice
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice-WhatisReplacementThe.pdf

Neo-Replacement Theology
by Dr. Thomas Ice
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice-NeoReplacementTheolo1.pdf

An Analysis of Neo-Replacement Theology
by Dr. Michael J. Vlach
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Vlach-AnAnalysisofNeoRepla.pdf


89 posted on 05/21/2011 7:55:43 AM PDT by onthelookout777
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To: marbren
replacement theology.

"Shibboleth!"

(Use of the term "replacement theology" is a reliable marker. Dispensationalist hedgehogs use it, noone else.)

90 posted on 05/21/2011 7:57:39 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("the fox knows many little things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.")
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To: marbren
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks... Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way... Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

- Romans 14:5-6, 13, 22

91 posted on 05/21/2011 8:02:44 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Alamo-Girl
Very well said, Alamo-Girl!

Scripture gives us the mind of God if we will only listen and take Him at His word!

92 posted on 05/21/2011 8:02:57 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Lee N. Field; marbren

Okay ... supersessionism is a lie of the devil, then ... is that better?


93 posted on 05/21/2011 8:04:48 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Biggirl
Satan did use Harold Camping to accomplish a goal.

And accomplish it he has. Think of how many people who would have come to Christ through hearing prophetic Scripture will now not even consider it and will spend eternity separated from God.

Satan's use of Harold Camping will reap great dividends.

94 posted on 05/21/2011 8:05:11 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Indeed. Thank you so much for your encouragements, dear GiovannaNicoletta!


95 posted on 05/21/2011 8:06:12 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Siena Dreaming
Me: "You appear to have a wish to be argumentative. I do not."

You: "Too bad you do not find Paul's classifying the church as the "true Israel" and the "true circumcision" as persuasive. And yet you tell me to take it up with Paul? That is truly funny. I think perhaps you need to look in the mirror and say those very words to yourself since you ignore his words."

Reagan: "... there he goes again..."

Siena, you are coming across as not just a n00b, but a rude n00b... very naughty.

You should, instead, be preparing for the end of the world. After the destruction that is coming at 6pm tonight, you can personally discuss these things with Paul in person over tea and some manna crackers...

best,
ampu

96 posted on 05/21/2011 8:11:01 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: marbren

i don’t follow Camping. if he wasn’t influenced by Jesus saying no one knows the day or hour, i don’t think Luther, Calvin or Augustine had much influence either.


97 posted on 05/21/2011 8:13:33 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: RegulatorCountry

God washes his hands of all those that reject Jesus and His Body on earth, The Church. It doesn’t matter if they are Jewish, Irish, English, German, Chinese, etc. God is not a respecter of persons.


98 posted on 05/21/2011 8:16:40 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: allmendream

Hitler’s main problem with Catholicism is he didn’t believe or accept anything it taught. Other than that little issue, i guess he was fine with it.


99 posted on 05/21/2011 8:18:20 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
People will decide for themselves. I would wager many Bibles have been opened over this.

And just how do you know doing evil was in Camping's heart? His predictions are the logical end to end of the world doctrine.

Your raptureready.com site is no better than Camping.

100 posted on 05/21/2011 8:18:44 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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