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What Christian Leaders are Saying after Another Failed Doomsday Prediction
Christian Post ^ | 05/21/2011

Posted on 05/21/2011 7:35:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Ed Stetzer, head of the Southern Baptist Convention's LifeWay research:

"Harold Camping, pls update http://www.familyradio.com w/ your repentance statement & instructions to your now-broke followers."

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Al Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary:

"We will not be surprised that Christ has not returned according to any human's timetable. But we should not be relieved. Lord come quickly."

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Mark Driscoll, pastor of Mars Hill Church in Seattle:

"It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine." – REM

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Rick Warren, author of The Purpose-Driven Life and pastor of Saddleback Church

The world didn't end. I told you not to worry. See Mark 13:32

"NO ONE knows the day when these things will happen;not the angels nor THE SON HIMSELF! Only the Father knows"

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Marcos Witt, Latin gospel singer and pastor of Spanish services at Lakewood Church:

Concerning His return Jesus said: "about that day or hour no one knows..." (Mark 13:32) Go out and enjoy this day the Lord has made!

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Bishop T.D. Jakes, pastor of the Potter's House and head of T.D. Jakes Ministries

"I'm here just as I expected."


TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: haroldcamping; prophecy; rapture
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1 posted on 05/21/2011 7:35:05 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know when Christ will return. Anyone who says he does know is a liar.


2 posted on 05/21/2011 7:41:54 PM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Bishop T.D. Jakes, pastor of the Potter's House and head of T.D. Jakes Ministries

"I'm here just as I expected."


T.D. Jakes, succinct as always.
3 posted on 05/21/2011 7:42:26 PM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country.----------In the same way Rush is balance, I am consensus.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Live every day as if God were arriving on the next plane. He wants up to be happy while we wait.


4 posted on 05/21/2011 7:42:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

So true. If we live our lives like tomorrow is our last the world would be a much better place. IMHO


5 posted on 05/21/2011 7:50:22 PM PDT by berdie (qill)
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To: berdie

I think not knowing makes us better Christians.


6 posted on 05/21/2011 7:52:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: SeekAndFind

“The Rapture occurred. God found no one worthy of taking.”
- Harold Camping


7 posted on 05/21/2011 7:56:24 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey folks, Harold Camping probably skipped town with the ministry portfolio.


8 posted on 05/21/2011 7:58:32 PM PDT by immadashell
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To: immadashell

I’ve met the flawed man.

That’s not one of his flaws.

He’s not accepted a single penney from his ministry.

He’s a total volunteer.

He retired from being a Civil Engineer, IIRC.


9 posted on 05/21/2011 8:03:36 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: cripplecreek

I would tend to agree. It also gives, for Christians and non-Christians, a much better view of what a person is really like.


10 posted on 05/21/2011 8:06:03 PM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country.----------In the same way Rush is balance, I am consensus.)
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To: cripplecreek

He is here everyday.


11 posted on 05/21/2011 8:18:55 PM PDT by CTyank
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To: cripplecreek

He IS here everyday.


12 posted on 05/21/2011 8:19:17 PM PDT by CTyank
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To: SeekAndFind
I am currently reading this book. A much different story than Camping's

BTW, this book was written in 1881; you wouldn't believe how accurate it is!

The End of the Present World
 
Reading this book was one of the greatest graces of my life!"
— St. Thérèse of Lisieux

In the late nineteenth century, Father Charles Arminjon, a priest from the mountains of southeastern France, assembled his flock in the town cathedral to preach a series of conferences to help them turn their thoughts away from this life’s mean material affairs—and toward the next life’s glorious spiritual reward. His wise and uncompromising words deepened in them the spirit of recollection that all Christians must have: the abiding conviction that heavenly aims, not temporal enthusiasms, must guide everything we think, say, and do.

When Father Arminjon’s conferences were later published in a book, many others were able to reap the same benefit—including fourteen-year-old Thérèse Martin, then on the cusp of entering the Carmelite convent in Lisieux. Reading it, she says, “plunged my soul into a happiness not of this earth.” Young Thérèse, filled with a sense of “what God reserves for those who love him, and seeing that the eternal rewards had no proportion to the light sacrifices of life,” copied out numerous passages and memorized them, “repeating unceasingly the words of love burning in my heart.”

Now the very book that so inspired the Little Flower is available for the first time in English.

Let the pages of The End of the Present World and the Mysteries of the Future Life fill you with the same burning words of love, with the same ardent desire to know God above all created things, that St. Thérèse gained from them. Let them also enrich your understanding of certain teachings of the Faith that can often seem so mysterious, even frightening:

  • The signs that will precede the world’s end
  • The coming of the Antichrist, and how to recognize him
  • The Judgment and where it may send us: heaven, hell, and purgatory
  • Biblical end-times prophecy: how to read it and not be deceived

    Jesus commands us to be ever-watchful for his return, and ever-mindful that we have no lasting city on earth. The End of the Present World and the Mysteries of the Future Life is an invaluable aid to inculcating in your spirit that heavenly orientation, without which true human happiness cannot be found—in this world or the next.


13 posted on 05/21/2011 8:27:18 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly. He may be coming back any minute, or (and even more likely) we could be going to be with HIM) at any moment. Live your life accordingly. And God bless you all. :)


14 posted on 05/21/2011 8:34:34 PM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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To: Quix

How are you feeling today?


15 posted on 05/21/2011 8:36:00 PM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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To: SeekAndFind

This stupidity has been used by some anti-Christian forces to portray how wrong and stupid Christians are. To that, I usually say, “All Muslims try to kill Americans!” Well, perhaps some Muslims don’t. Still, unlike these Christian leaders, Muslim leaders didn’t even try to denounce the statement publicly.


16 posted on 05/21/2011 8:38:27 PM PDT by paudio (The differences between Clinton and 0bama? About a dozen of former Democratic Congressmen.)
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To: cripplecreek

Maybe that was His plan all along. :;


17 posted on 05/21/2011 8:43:26 PM PDT by berdie (qill)
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To: PaleoBob

Lacking a completely accurate roll call, we seem to be lacking the rolling, destructive earthquakes from time zone to time zone.

Man plans, God laughs. It’s not for us to say.


18 posted on 05/21/2011 8:44:08 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. (PursuingLiberty.com))
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To: brytlea

Thanks tons for your caring.

It appears that the bleeding really has stopped. PRAISE GOD FOR THAT!

And . . . joy . . . I received a new appointment for a followup 2nd colonoscopy . . . as soon as I find out whether the date is for Sept or Nov. LOL.

Much appreciate your caring and prayers.

I have more energy today. PTL.


19 posted on 05/21/2011 8:45:44 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Rick Warren, author of The Purpose-Driven Life and pastor of Saddleback Church

"The world didn't end. I told you not to worry. See Mark 13:32

"NO ONE knows the day when these things will happen;not the angels nor THE SON HIMSELF! Only the Father knows"

It is not Scripturally necessary to teach that the Lord Jesus Christ, sitting presently at His Father's Right Hand does not NOW know the day or hour of His future return.

It was in the present-tense of His earthly ministry, in "the days of His flesh," (Hebrews 5:7) when men knew Him after the flesh (2 Cor. 5:16), in His humiliation, that he, along with the angels, were not cognizant of His future return ---- which, by the way, is not a reference to the rapture of the Body of Christ, but to His coming to earth to reign from David's Throne (Ps. 2; etc.)

To teach that the Glorified Christ STILL(in OUR present) is ignorant of the time of His future return is unnecessary to New Testament doctrine.

It illustrates a big missing principle in Rick Warren's study of the Scriptures, and why he gets so many other things fouled up as well. He doesn't even know how to read and interpret past, present, and future tenses in the contexts of the pasts, presents, and futures to which they belong.

20 posted on 05/21/2011 8:53:43 PM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful.)
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To: Quix

I’m glad you’re feeling better, sorry you have to have another. YUCK. :( Prayers.


21 posted on 05/21/2011 8:57:14 PM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The damage this Nut does to the message Christians are trying to get out to the unsaved is unmanageable. Using phrases like “The Bible Guarantees It”, only makes it harder for our missionaries and evangelist to discuss the Gospel with those who don’t know the Bible, particularly in foreign lands where much of his advertising was done.

And when discussing prophecy and end-time events with others we will be forever doing damage control, when they come back with “wasn’t that supposed to happen back in May of 2011?”

This is why Jesus gave a special warning in Mathew 24:11 “And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.”


22 posted on 05/21/2011 9:14:21 PM PDT by NavyCanDo (Cain / Palin mmm mmm mmm)
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To: Quix

Seeing Dr. Dover, Dr. Ben Dover? Sorry, been there, done that, don’t want to do it again.

May God be with you as you heal, friend.


23 posted on 05/21/2011 9:24:53 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: brytlea

One of the 6 polyps taken out was as big as the end joint of my little finger. Biopsy due in a week.

Soooooooo, am thankful I followed through. Praise God for making it clear to me that I needed to.

A repeat performance is certainly not my favorite recreation.

Besides, who knows what shape the world will be in in 3-6 months!

Thx for your kind reply.


24 posted on 05/21/2011 9:51:31 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: irishtenor

LOL.

Took me a 2nd or 2 to figure out that one.

Thx for your kind reply.


25 posted on 05/21/2011 9:52:58 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
I’ve met the flawed man.That’s not one of his flaws. He’s not accepted a single penney from his ministry. He’s a total volunteer. He retired from being a Civil Engineer, IIRC.

I never met a con man I didn't like. I was on the Board of Directors of a local not-for-profit whose Executive Director didn't take a salary but embezzled the place for more than $500,000.

26 posted on 05/21/2011 10:26:34 PM PDT by immadashell
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To: immadashell

I’ve certainly lost count on the number of times I’ve been wrong long ago.

However . . .

Camping’s personality is just not like that.

I think he’d be more likely to give his shirt for the cause and go down gladly in flames . . . FOR THE CAUSE.

I’d expect him to be scrupulously honest to the point of absurdity. e.g. knocking on neighbors doors to see if the nickle on the sidewalk was theirs.


27 posted on 05/21/2011 10:48:07 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

RE: I think he’d be more likely to give his shirt for the cause and go down gladly in flames . . . FOR THE CAUSE.

Good intentions are no substitute for Biblical Wisdom.

You know the old adage about the road to hell and what it is paved with...


28 posted on 05/22/2011 6:43:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Quix

RE: I’d expect him to be scrupulously honest to the point of absurdity

An honest person would REPENT and say publicly I WAS WRONG and APOLOGIZE for misleading many people. If Camping does that, then maybe he can be reconciled with but not until.


29 posted on 05/22/2011 6:44:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Quix

That aspect may be true, yet he is more than just flawed, but has

flagrantly taken the name of God in vain by claiming God revealed the rapture would occur on May 21,

and given occasion for the name of Christ to be blasphemed among the heathen,

and placed a stumbling block before the simple who heeded him,

and seduced them into loss of substantial amounts of time and money

and seriously impugned the integrity of the Bible and prophecy among the ignorant public by asserting it guaranteed his false prediction,

and has made a mockery of Biblical hermeneutics with his any-digit-will-do methodological madness,

while also teaching heresies such as that Jesus died twice,

and denying eternal torment,

and the nature of the church and its preservation,

and damning all who are in the visible church

while making those who agree with him to be the elite enlightened, etc.

Certainly we all have erred, but this man has willfully and boldly gone to extremes few have gone before, with his erroneous esoteric eschatology and egregious elitism, and effectively has become an instrument of the devil who is the author of deception.


30 posted on 05/22/2011 6:52:13 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: SeekAndFind

AGREED.


31 posted on 05/22/2011 7:47:34 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: SeekAndFind

AGREED.


32 posted on 05/22/2011 7:48:00 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: daniel1212

AGREED.


33 posted on 05/22/2011 7:48:49 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: brytlea

Hungover from having my last drink(s)


34 posted on 05/22/2011 7:49:28 AM PDT by geege
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To: Quix
I feel Camping has gotten a bad rap.

The Rapture DID happen. It's just that no one qualified.

35 posted on 05/22/2011 7:50:22 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: Gil4
I don’t know when Christ will return.

The only way to know for sure, is look at the little sign on the shop window. If it says "Be Back in 15 Minutes", you can count on it.

36 posted on 05/22/2011 7:51:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: Lazamataz

hmmmmmmmmmmmm


37 posted on 05/22/2011 8:20:14 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: immadashell

RE: Hey folks, Harold Camping probably skipped town with the ministry portfolio.

Reuters reported that the curtains were drawn in Camping’s house in Alameda, California on May 21, and nobody was answering the door.

See here:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/21/us-apocalypse-prediction-idUSTRE74I3KS20110521


38 posted on 05/22/2011 9:06:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Lazamataz; Quix

RE: The Rapture DID happen. It’s just that no one qualified.

Followers of Camping claimed that around 200 million people (approximately 3% of the world’s population) would be raptured.

SEE HERE :

http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/judgment/judgment.html


39 posted on 05/22/2011 9:08:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: immadashell

LOL. Con men are indeed incredibly likeable.


40 posted on 05/22/2011 9:10:33 AM PDT by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: SeekAndFind

Could it be because our Lord WANTS us to proclaim the good news of the Gospel to others?


41 posted on 05/22/2011 9:51:22 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Lazamataz

First Camping and now Laz claiming to know. False prophets everywhere.


42 posted on 05/22/2011 10:38:33 AM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hmmmmmm.

So . . . Camping’s judgment on anthing should be trusted now . . . why?


43 posted on 05/22/2011 1:42:25 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Lazamataz

You’re still here??!


44 posted on 05/22/2011 3:01:29 PM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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To: Quix

:) Or should I say :(


45 posted on 05/22/2011 3:03:00 PM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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To: brytlea

Wellllllllllll

it’s not my favorite recreation!


46 posted on 05/22/2011 3:46:19 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Well for the procedure you’re asleep (or should I say you think afterwards you were asleep—there is some controversy about that!) But it’s the preprocedure that is really NOT FUN! :)


47 posted on 05/23/2011 6:54:55 AM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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To: brytlea

INDEED.

I woke up as they were about to snip the last of 6 polyps—the biggest one. LOL.


48 posted on 05/23/2011 8:38:34 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: SeekAndFind

“We’ll get it right one of these days.”


49 posted on 05/23/2011 8:39:25 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

Well of course he’s not answering the door. He was raptured. He’s in paradise - Tahiti, perhaps.


50 posted on 05/23/2011 8:44:52 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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