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Rapture Prophet Harold Camping's 'Really Tough Weekend' (VIDEO: The man finally emerges and speaks)
The Atlantic Wire ^ | 05/23/2011 | Adam Clark Estes

Posted on 05/23/2011 9:09:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind; Flightdeck
SeekAndFind: What gives? What a load of rubbish to call this an "excerpt". Why did you cut it then?

Were you afraid you were about to be raptured and had to press the submit button before it happened?

51 posted on 05/23/2011 10:54:41 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: RobRoy; ThisLittleLightofMine

“These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.” Jn 15:11


52 posted on 05/23/2011 10:57:09 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: discostu
He has a world view and he looks to the Bible for confirmation of it.

Everyone old enough to read the whole text comes to it with a worldview - and they read it in a way that makes the most sense for them.

There has never been an unbiased reader of the Bible.

53 posted on 05/23/2011 11:02:17 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

There’s a difference between reading the Bible with a worldview and reading the Bible to CONFIRM your worldview.

Think of it like a menu, you can read a restaurant menu to see what they have, now you’ll naturally pay more attention to the foods you like than the ones you don’t (your worldview) but you’re reading the menu. Or you can read a restaurant menu to see if they have western BBQ burgers, it’s still your worldview but now instead of reading the whole thing you’re skipping large sections that wouldn’t have the burger, no reason to check out the appetizers, salads or fish section when all you care about is the western BBQ burger, you might even miss the fact that you’re in a Mexican restaurant.

Camping is in the later category. He’s all about Judgment Day, that’s all he’s reading the Bible for, he wants to figure out the end of the world. He’s convinced the clues are in there somewhere, this isn’t the first time he’s predicted it, and if he lives long enough it won’t be the last. And he quite thoroughly ignores the parts that don’t relate to the end, especially the parts that say he can’t predict the end.

It’s not about biased vs unbiased, it’s about reading to read and reading to confirm.


54 posted on 05/23/2011 11:11:05 AM PDT by discostu (Come on Punky, get Funky)
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To: stuartcr

You should read the Bible.


55 posted on 05/23/2011 11:11:44 AM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: wideawake

>>“These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.” Jn 15:11<<

Precisely. People often times consider joy and happiness to be synonymous. They are not. Happiness is very fleeting. Joy is not. At least the joy to which the bible refers is not.


56 posted on 05/23/2011 11:15:01 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: stuartcr

They believe all Bible prophecy has been fulfilled.


57 posted on 05/23/2011 11:15:40 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: discostu; wideawake

My best friend (he is also my ex-pastor) once said something interesting. He said that most people, after they “become Christian”, read the bible to learn of Jesus, Christianity and this whole thing they have joined. They then spend the rest of their life reading the bible and various books on it to confirm the conclusions about Christianity they reached after those first two years of study.

It is the reason it can be very difficult to convince someone they firmly believe about the bible is false. They didn’t read much about the particular sub-topic in those first two years and got a general impression. Then everything they read about it later is with the assumption that the general impression is true. It ends up being reinforced ten or 100 fold even though the bible may easily refute it.

The “ever virgin” Mary thing is an excellent example. For me it was the “burn in hell for all eternity” thing. I finally looked at the subject in detail (via scripture reading and comparisons) with an open mind and let the chips fall where they may. I now believe the unbelievers, after the first resurrection, are destroyed much as I believe animals are at their first, and only death.

I did not always believe this, but I had never really studied it and basically just believed what people told me and read “everlasting”, “unquenchable”, and other such words with that paradigm. But when I actually studied it, a different picture emerged.

Same thing happened with the “pre-trib/post-trib” thing.


58 posted on 05/23/2011 11:22:47 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

You’re conclusion is one that I also agree with


59 posted on 05/23/2011 11:29:06 AM PDT by csense
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To: ReneeLynn

I have read a fairly large part of it. I’ll read more while you’re contacting Mr. Camping.


60 posted on 05/23/2011 11:41:11 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: fishtank

thanks. I’m not a preterist.


61 posted on 05/23/2011 11:45:05 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: OB1kNOb
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62 posted on 05/23/2011 11:52:59 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: fishtank

RE: They believe all Bible prophecy has been fulfilled

You’re probably referring to FULL PRETERISTS.

Then there are also PARTIAL PRETERISTS who believe that many or most of Matthew 24 and the book of Revelations have already been fulfilled ( e.g. during the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70 ), however there are still prophecies that have not been fulfilled.

I would put men like Hank Hanegraaf (of the Bible Answer Man and Christian Research Institute) and R.C. Sproul ( Ligonier Ministries) in the latter category.


63 posted on 05/23/2011 11:55:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Tatze

LOL!


64 posted on 05/23/2011 12:03:17 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (The stench of dependency is a sickening smell. Strive to become an asset, not a liability.)
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To: blasater1960

Too much end times Sola Scriptura ‘goin on out thar’.


65 posted on 05/23/2011 12:07:34 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: SeekAndFind
RE: how did this become such a media hype?

Same way the Koran Burning church became a huge media hype.

In other words:

1. Slow day for hard news (or at least, news that does not require effort, knowledge and research to present).

2. Need to generate an excuse to keep the fearful tuning in to the news and updates (as if seeing the sky roll back as a scroll wouldn't be a big enough hint).

3. Any chance to jeer and scoff at Christians must be exploited!

66 posted on 05/23/2011 12:11:56 PM PDT by Dunstan McShane
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To: DarthVader

Did he say that he was speaking for God, and that God told him about the date? I don’t think so, as such your Scripture passages don’t apply.

That being said, his doctrine is clearly flawed. He may have been sincere in his belief, and as it turned out he was sincerely wrong.

If I was a member of his congregation I’d be seriously evaluating other dogma that the church adheres to. There is without any doubt whatsoever other dogma based on similarly flawed doctrine. Some of it may even pertain to salvation itself.


67 posted on 05/23/2011 12:23:07 PM PDT by raygun
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To: SeekAndFind

WHEW!

I was beginning to worry that he was the only one called up!


68 posted on 05/23/2011 12:31:46 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: raygun

Harold Camping is a false teacher in so many respects and his teachings are on the prophetic words in the Bible. You should hear him pontificate. Just go see a Youtube video and you can clearly see how he thinks he speaks for God. These scriptures I posted are highly applicable and dead on to his activities and the garbage he has been preaching for quite some time.


69 posted on 05/23/2011 12:33:27 PM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Tim LaHaye. YES! A real prophet, not some phoney. Internationally recognized expert. His perdiction will be accurate.


70 posted on 05/23/2011 12:38:50 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: RobRoy

That seems about right. A lot of people turn to religion as kind of an ego boost, during times of doubt they read their holy book for strength, of course the thing that makes you feel the strongest is confirmation that you’re right. During that first couple of years people decide on what their favorite verses are too, and once a person has their list of favorites those tend to be their starting points for reading, so they don’t stray out into “new” territory to find out that how they’ve been interpreting their favorite verses is way off.


71 posted on 05/23/2011 12:42:16 PM PDT by discostu (Come on Punky, get Funky)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Rejoice and BE GLAD.... happy is a temporary state...no one is or can be happy all the time, but “joy” is that underlying happiness of the heart. To say God doesn’t want us “happy” is a grave misrepresentation of Him.


72 posted on 05/23/2011 12:44:31 PM PDT by DrewsMum (Glenn Beck, Mark Levin, you both suck!)
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To: SeekAndFind
We are on God's time - something Spiritual happened Sat night with me and my friends -- Spiritual eyes opened.

John 3:3 NIV In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again. "

Solution is simple: repent!

73 posted on 05/23/2011 12:47:04 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Is there something fundamentally wrong with being happy and enjoying life? I don’t want to get into a debate, just curious about your views.


74 posted on 05/23/2011 12:58:54 PM PDT by Luna (Evil will not triumph. God is at the helm.)
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To: stuartcr

Still haven’t figured out your problem with me. I’ve shown no support for Camping. YOU were the one who wondered if Jesus wasn’t already back and we all just don’t know it. I suggest that you contact Camping. Clearly you feel you have inside information.


75 posted on 05/23/2011 1:34:09 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: ReneeLynn

I don’t have a problem with you. You said you knew for a fact and I just suggested you tell Camping.


76 posted on 05/23/2011 1:48:22 PM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: SeekAndFind
As we pointed out last week, author and would-be Doomsday prophet Tim Lahaye is next in line

Futurist Rogue's Gallery: Fourth from the left on the bottom.

Futurist Rogue's Gallery: Clockwise from the top left: John Hagee, Hal Lindsey, Tommy Ice, Charles Taze Russell, Joel C. Rosenberg, J.R. Church, Edgar C. Whisenant, J. Randall Price, Mark Hitchcock, Harold Camping, C.I. Scofield, Tim LaHaye/Jerry B. Jenkins, Grant Jeffrey, Jack Van Impe, William Miller.

77 posted on 05/23/2011 1:57:08 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: topcat54; Elsie
Hey you missed this guy and he's already found his rapture.


78 posted on 05/23/2011 2:05:39 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the Inman FReepers Meet July 23 Pray Jim Rob Can Make It)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
He does not want us to fear and we are to be joyful (his children that is), but you will find no place in scripture that instructs us that He wants us to be happy.

An omnipotent father who doesn't want his children to be happy is pretty sick in human terms. But I suppose that might be scriptural.

79 posted on 05/23/2011 3:04:27 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: blasater1960

We don’t denigrate your Judaism, so don’t denigrate our religion. Most of us are Christians so deal with it.


80 posted on 05/23/2011 4:17:50 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: Utah Binger

Is that ol’ Joe?


81 posted on 05/23/2011 5:31:14 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring; Elsie

Actually a death mask sculpture done by Elbert Porter. Elsie put the eyes in to give it weirdness.


82 posted on 05/23/2011 6:05:37 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the Inman FReepers Meet July 23 Pray Jim Rob Can Make It)
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To: blasater1960
Sorry folks...the man from Nazareth isnt returning.

Hold that thought...

83 posted on 05/23/2011 6:41:40 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: blasater1960
Sorry folks...the man from Nazareth isnt returning.

At least not this past weekend.

But, oh, yeah....He's coming back.

84 posted on 05/23/2011 6:46:15 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: JSDude1
(or at least the part where Jesus states even He doesn’t know the exact time-and-day)..

That's because GMT hadn't been invented yet!

That are are TWO days on Earth at the present time. It's 9:33 PM Monday here in central Indiana, and 4:33 AM Tuesday in Beirut right now. There are MORE than 24 times zones around the globe.

So if someone 'predicted' something, most folks would miss it, if their clock is set local time.


(You'll note that Jesus did NOT say the YEAR or the SEASON would not be known.)

Actually though; if it's summer here, then it's winter in Rio de Janerio.

And whose YEAR will we use?

Chinese? Christian civilizations? MAYAN? <--- OOPS forget THIS one!! ;^)

85 posted on 05/23/2011 6:51:27 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: RobRoy
Think of the movie “Independence Day”, only much more so.

Welcome to EARTH!

Actually, I'm more reminded of Groundhog Day.

86 posted on 05/23/2011 6:53:44 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: RobRoy; ThisLittleLightofMine

John 15:11
I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete.


87 posted on 05/23/2011 6:55:34 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: truthguy
Why did the press build this up when it wasn't a story in the first place.

They have an unexplained spiritual hunger.

Sure; the 'press' was using this story to MOCK Christianity, but I can almost guarantee you that folks who had NO interest at all in the subject will be curiously drawn to the Bible.

88 posted on 05/23/2011 6:59:08 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: wideawake

Dang!

You beat ME to it!


89 posted on 05/23/2011 7:00:11 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: RobRoy

Yes; this IS true.

But for me and my house; I will choose the JOY!

90 posted on 05/23/2011 7:01:40 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: RobRoy
...I believe animals are at their first, and only death.

There goes that Lion laying down with the Lamb thingy!

91 posted on 05/23/2011 7:03:16 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: DaveMSmith
Solution is simple: repent!

John 6:28-29 (niv)

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”


92 posted on 05/23/2011 7:16:17 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Utah Binger
Elsie put the eyes in to give it weirdness.

HA!

The sucker was PLENTY weird without MY help!

93 posted on 05/23/2011 7:18:19 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Utah Binger
Elsie put the eyes in to give it weirdness.

Ya mess with my Bud and I'll give YOU the weird eye!


94 posted on 05/23/2011 7:19:46 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Utah Binger
My eyes have seen a weird thing!


95 posted on 05/23/2011 7:20:46 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie
Yup; he could do it!

REad his collar: Bad to the Bone!


96 posted on 05/23/2011 7:28:00 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie

Why was John the Baptist beheaded?


97 posted on 05/23/2011 7:36:46 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DrewsMum

Again as stated in my post, we are to be joy filled and this is produced not by circumstances but rather out of a heart of gratitude, happy is completed based on current circumstance. Again God’s primary goal for his children is not to make us “happy” but to make us Christ like. That is scriptural. I do not believe that should make our faces sour but rather it should cause us to rejoice in His amazing Grace! Blessings.


98 posted on 05/23/2011 7:40:36 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: DrewsMum

Again as stated in my post, we are to be joy filled and this is produced not by circumstances but rather out of a heart of gratitude, happy is completed based on current circumstance. Again God’s primary goal for his children is not to make us “happy” but to make us Christ like. That is scriptural. I do not believe that should make our faces sour but rather it should cause us to rejoice in His amazing Grace! Blessings.


99 posted on 05/23/2011 7:40:44 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Gondring

I think you confuse joy and happy. As a mother my primary goal is not to make my children “happy” but to love, teach, guide them to adulthood. If I tried to make them “happy”, they would be not much good as adults but rather spoiled children.


100 posted on 05/23/2011 7:44:26 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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