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1 posted on 05/23/2011 3:30:53 PM PDT by TaraP
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Thoughts?


2 posted on 05/23/2011 3:32:42 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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True Believer Syndrome. I read first that “no man knows the hour” so it is the most arrogant hubris to assume that any human scholar can invent the day of my Savior’s return. Additionally, when He returns, I read that his foot will touch the mountain and shatter it, and all the world will know it. Not much secret about that.


3 posted on 05/23/2011 3:34:16 PM PDT by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
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Not sure how Camping came up with a 6p.m date for destruction

I was stupid enough to waste some time listening to his formulas on one of his recordings and it is basically a weird concoction of numerology, biblomancy and a lot of assumptions.

6 posted on 05/23/2011 3:38:39 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: TaraP

Thoughts?

Camping is a nutcase.

And no “secret rapture” occured.

But it is a “nice try” for someone who is grasping at raptured straws.


7 posted on 05/23/2011 3:38:52 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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Jesus comes for his church before the tribulation:

1 Thessalonians 1:10 -

“and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.”


8 posted on 05/23/2011 3:39:39 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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Camping’s billboards said “The Bible guarantees it”, which is the same assurance we hear every day from others here and elsewhere, regarding many other matters. Who do you believe and why?


11 posted on 05/23/2011 3:46:07 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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There are a huge number of Freepers who are Catholic so don’t expect to get the type of answer you are looking for about the Rapture from everyone.

That being said, I’m no theologian or expert on the order of events in prophecy, but I’ve always took that first part “”the dead in Christ will rise first,” to mean that when a Christian dies their Spirit will be lifted up to heaven at the time of death to be in the Presence of Jesus. And at the Rapture, the living Christians will join them. And most who believe in the Rapture believes this happens at the beginning of the 7-year Tribulation.

I do believe in the pre-Tribulation Rapture, mainly because the Tribulation period is seven years, and there is allot that needs to happen in just the first 3 ½ years of it. It would take Global Chaos for one man, the antichrist to enter the Worlds stage and deceive nearly everyone LEFT on the planet, (all the peoples of the World in all religions) in such a short period of time. The only type of “Global Disaster” I could think of on that scale would be for 200 or 300 million Christians to just vanish. And the whole point for the belief in the Rapture is we don’t believe Jesus meant for the Saved to have to suffer through the horrors that will happen to the planet during those seven years. And because he loves us so much and does not wish that any shall parish into eternal Hell, he knows it will take a great shake-up of those left to finally get them to listen. The “tough love” that so many of us fathers are familiar with. That we believe is the whole point of the Tribulation. Many will be saved during this time but they will be persecuted horribly, much like the first Church was, with public executions and torture, only to be ended with the physical return of Christ.


14 posted on 05/23/2011 3:48:51 PM PDT by NavyCanDo (Cain / Palin mmm mmm mmm)
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I have never found any Scriptural support for a post-Trib Rapture. The 1 Thessalonians Rapture Scripture doesn't indicate that there is a lapse of time between the "dead in Christ" going first then those who are living going to meet Christ. It appears that it all happens in the "twinkling of an eye", both for the dead and the living.

First of all, the Tribulation is the "time of Jacob's trouble", a time for purifying Israel in addition to judging this Christ-rejecting world.

Second, God has a history of getting His people off the scene before He sends judgment (Noah, Lot) and tells those who know Him as Savior that we are not "appointed to wrath".

Third, the Marriage Supper of the Lamb takes place in Heaven while the Tribulation is going on on earth and that can't happen if we go up to meet Christ then turn right around and come back.

There is also the issue of, since those who are raptured receive glorified bodies which will not be equipped to reproduce, there being no one to populate the Millennial Kingdom if the Rapture is post-Trib, which would contradict the Scripture which tells us that those who are saved during the Tribulation and survive go into the Millennial Kingdom and work and have children.

There are many, many more Biblical evidences of a pre-Trib Rapture. You really have to ignore a lot and twist a lot of Scripture to make a post-Trib Rapture work.

15 posted on 05/23/2011 3:49:34 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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Apologies to Freepers who might have already followed this link, but we show that the Bible never even mentions the end of the world, and the rapture happened in the first century: www.prophecyquestions.wordpress.com.


16 posted on 05/23/2011 3:49:45 PM PDT by grumpa (VP)
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The Rapture has come and gone.

Looks like no one qualified.


19 posted on 05/23/2011 3:54:29 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Throw away your papers, blow up your TV...and set yourself free.)
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I Thess 4:17-18
“Then we who are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.”

To give you COMFORT...

we didn’t miss ANYTHING.

Camping was WRONG, that’s all.

PS, IIRC, it wasn’t the first time he GOOFED.


25 posted on 05/23/2011 4:04:48 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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Secret rapture? Maybe more like double secret probation rapture!


33 posted on 05/23/2011 4:32:34 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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Personally, I think the dead rose and went with Jesus when He rose to heaven.

Matthew 27:52 The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.

34 posted on 05/23/2011 4:35:11 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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Amen! Now you’re thinking with some reason and logic, TaraP. Yes, we as believers will endure the tribulation.


35 posted on 05/23/2011 4:40:26 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. *4192*)
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I am currently reading this book. A much different story than Camping's

BTW, this book was written in 1881; you wouldn't believe how accurate it is!

The End of the Present World
 
Reading this book was one of the greatest graces of my life!"
— St. Thérèse of Lisieux

In the late nineteenth century, Father Charles Arminjon, a priest from the mountains of southeastern France, assembled his flock in the town cathedral to preach a series of conferences to help them turn their thoughts away from this life’s mean material affairs—and toward the next life’s glorious spiritual reward. His wise and uncompromising words deepened in them the spirit of recollection that all Christians must have: the abiding conviction that heavenly aims, not temporal enthusiasms, must guide everything we think, say, and do.

When Father Arminjon’s conferences were later published in a book, many others were able to reap the same benefit—including fourteen-year-old Thérèse Martin, then on the cusp of entering the Carmelite convent in Lisieux. Reading it, she says, “plunged my soul into a happiness not of this earth.” Young Thérèse, filled with a sense of “what God reserves for those who love him, and seeing that the eternal rewards had no proportion to the light sacrifices of life,” copied out numerous passages and memorized them, “repeating unceasingly the words of love burning in my heart.”

Now the very book that so inspired the Little Flower is available for the first time in English.

Let the pages of The End of the Present World and the Mysteries of the Future Life fill you with the same burning words of love, with the same ardent desire to know God above all created things, that St. Thérèse gained from them. Let them also enrich your understanding of certain teachings of the Faith that can often seem so mysterious, even frightening:

  • The signs that will precede the world’s end
  • The coming of the Antichrist, and how to recognize him
  • The Judgment and where it may send us: heaven, hell, and purgatory
  • Biblical end-times prophecy: how to read it and not be deceived

    Jesus commands us to be ever-watchful for his return, and ever-mindful that we have no lasting city on earth. The End of the Present World and the Mysteries of the Future Life is an invaluable aid to inculcating in your spirit that heavenly orientation, without which true human happiness cannot be found—in this world or the next.


39 posted on 05/23/2011 4:56:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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i enjoy all the opinions on the resurection and its interesting to observe how the enemy has divided and weaken people for their lack of knowledge.
The dead shall rise 1st before those who are alive, it is only in protocal and respect that Hashem does this, but it will be an instantanous difference between the two groups.
You must understand that G-d is Jewish and has chosen jewish principles to teach about escatology. The resurection will happen on year 6000 of the earth when ever that is. That day that no man knows is “RSH” Rosh ha Shanna. The day that no man knows is an idiom. If i said turkey day you would know what day i was talking about. a day is as a thousand years, 7 days, 7 thousand years.
you must not stop at 1 th 4:18. 1st th 5:1 and more, shaul is talking about what i am talking about. This day will not overtake you if you understand the jewish teachings. Camping did not understand this and has help make a mockery of those who are ignorant of G-ds teaching.
does anyone on this blog know why Rosh Ha Shana is called “the day that no man knows”? lets see who can understand the basic teachings of judisim which is the vine and not grafted in.


41 posted on 05/23/2011 5:26:34 PM PDT by merkava
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So, the question is, does the Rapture of the Church come before the Tribulation, in the middle of the Tribulation or after the Tribulation?


45 posted on 05/23/2011 7:00:51 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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Not sure how Camping came up with a 6p.m date for destruction, but strange enough both the Volcanic eruption and tornado in Joplin happened at 6 p.m in there respective time zones....

I also do not know how Camping came up with his 6pm timestamp, apart from knowing that he was wrong.

As for the Joplin tornado, it did not happen at 6pm. Touch down was at 5.41pm. Source: The tornado touched down at 5:41 p.m. Sunday -- 24 minutes after a warning was issued -- said Thomas Schwein, central regional director for the National Weather Service. It grew to as wide as three-quarters of a mile at one point along its estimated four-mile track, according to Missouri's State Emergency Management Agency.

As for the volcanic eruption in Iceland, Grimsvotn erupted at 5.30pm local time on Saturday. Source: Satellite Photos Show Grimvotn Volcano Eruption From Space‎ - 2 hours ago The Grimvotn volcano began erupting Saturday at 5:30 pm local time on May 21. ... [Photos of Grimsvotn Volcano Lightning Show]

Thus, none of the two events happened at 6 pm local time, unless rounding up is allowed (and if that is the case, then it is a guesstimate rather than a prophecy). Bottom line is that Camping is a false prophet no matter how the bread is sliced, and that is based on Biblical measures for a false prophet (if one prophesies something and it does not happen). His day was off, and his timing was also off.

Unless ofcourse there is rounding off in heaven.

50 posted on 05/24/2011 1:15:11 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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