Skip to comments.Could Harold Camping Be Sued?
Posted on 05/24/2011 7:02:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Family Radio has solicited millions from donors over the years and reportedly spent over $100 million on advertising for the May 21 Judgment Day.
But now that the "guaranteed" rapture didn't happen, people are wondering: Can Harold Camping or Family Radio be sued? Did they do anything illegal in soliciting donations based on the rapture prediction? And do donors have legal ground to sue the discredited prophet?
Probably not, says an executive of Charity Navigator, which evaluates over 5,500 of America's largest charities. The charity evaluator rated Family Radio as a 4-star charity, the highest possible ranking.
Sandra Miniutti, vice president of Charity Navigator, told The Christian Post she doesnt think that Family Radio committed any wrongdoing, from a financial standpoint.
"They believed that the rapture was going to happen. I don't think they did anything illegal," Miniutti said Tuesday.
She said Charity Navigator doesn't evaluate a non-profit's mission, only its financial performance in the spending on its program, administration, fundraising, and efficiency in fundraising.
"We rate charities based on their financial performance. We don't make subjective assessments on the value of their mission. We just look on their financial performance," said Miniutti.
Based on her knowledge so far, Family Radio has used its donations where it was intended, on billboards and on public relations campaigns advertising the May 21 Judgment Day.
The Christian Post learned that Harold Camping spent around $100 million to advertise his May 21 end times prediction, according to Matt Tuter, Family Radios international projects manager.
Tuter told The Christian Post that most of the money did not come from donations, but from the sale of property more specifically, KFTL television and an FM station.
"My understanding is that they were soliciting money to help people understand the word of God," commented Miniutti. "They spent it on what they intended to spend it on."
"Donors would only have a recourse if the charity was soliciting for one thing but spent it on something else."
Tuter also told CP that most of the staff at Family Radio, including himself, are not followers of Camping and do not believe in his Judgment Day predictions.
Miniutti acknowledged, "It's unethical if people doing soliciting didn't believe that the rapture wasn't going to happen in the first place."
However, Miniutti pointed out that donors should also do their due diligence in checking out charities' overall health before giving money.
"We believe that donors should check three things: financial performance, the charity's transparency and what the charity's actual results are, whether it's lasting change in the world," she said.
Charity Navigator currently doesn't evaluate a charity's transparency or results but will in the near future, she added.
When Miniutti was asked whether "false advertising" of the rapture could provide legal grounds for a lawsuit against Family Radio, she said a lawyer would better answer that question.
But she did suggest that if Family Radio got away with Camping's 1994 Judgment Day prediction, there is no reason they couldn't do the same in 2011.
"If it's legal in 94, it's probably legal again."
On Monday, in his first public address since the failed rapture, Camping touted Family Radios efficiency and honesty when it comes to money.
Were not in the business for money, he said, stressing that he does not receive any compensation.
He said the contributions the organization receives are all directed toward one purpose: to get the Gospel out. Every nickel has been spent as fairly as possible, as efficiently as possible, he maintained.
Commenting on some of his followers and other listeners who spent their life savings to advertise Campings Judgment Day prediction or quit their jobs, he said the organization never advised them on financial matters and he refused to take any responsibility for their current situations.
But if he still has an audience, it doesn’t say much for the intelligence of his ‘followers.’
I’d like to sue Barky for saddling us with $1 trillion porkulus debt and falsely predicting unemployment would come down below 8%.
Taking advantage of human stupidity is disgusting but not illegal. Unfortunately there is no law that will protect people from their own ignorance.
Sued for what? Yelling that the movie theater was on fire when it was not and all the people had to do was simply look around for signs of smoke, etc. and see that the person yelling was wrong?
Having the ability to sue this idiot only proves that there are indeed idiots who will believe virtually anything and everything they are told and that when it is shown or proven that they acted in error, instead of taking SELF-RESPONSIBILITY for their CHOICEs, they seek to blame and/or sue the messenger or the person they believed such shit from.....! =.=
The Church of the Subgenius lasted for 20 years and predicted that aliens would land on July 5th, 1997 (what they called X-Day I think). They promised eternal salvation or triple your money back.
Seeing as how that was well over a decade ago (and the group existed going back to the 1970s with some celebrity members), what ever came from THEIR payout obligation (claiming it was “satire” or a “publicity stunt” isn’t good enough, they collected money for decades).
You can sue anybody for anything. Winning is another matter.
I had a front row seat reserved.
But I’m easy to get along with. If he issues me a rain check or a gift card, I’m cool with that.
Harold Camping should just be ignored.
That was you????
Sued....? I think this man should be looking at prosecution and jail time at the least.
Sued....? I think this man should be looking at prosecution and jail time at the least.
Really? Prosecuted, jailed for posting his opinion.
Stupid people lost their moneies and perhaps some lost their lives, but it wasnt because of what Camping said, but instead because they were intellectually or emotionally stupid.
And one can never legislate to protect all instances of stupid.
I am ashamed of you freeper for such a totalitarian statement.
Why should the Prince of Darkness support a scheme to sue Harold Camping?
Don’t worry, there will be plenty of time for that after the real event.
An Open Letter to Harold Camping of Family Radio
05/23/2011 - James White
On Open Letter to Harold Camping of Family Radio
Dear Mr. Camping:
In July of 2009 you and I engaged in a debate on the Iron Sharpens Iron radio program concerning your teaching that the church age had ended and that Christ would return on May 21, 2011. I trust you recall our exchange. I am also aware that you have at least seen my book, Dangerous Airwaves: Harold Camping Refuted and Christ’s Church Defended. I have been seeking to warn people about your teachings, sir, for about a decade. I know others have been warning the church about you longer than I.
Mr. Camping I am writing to seek your repentance and the most God-glorifying outcome of the debacle of your failed May 21, 2011 prophecy/teaching. I am not writing to engage in debate with you. The time for debate ended on May 22, 2011. It is now time for you to repent and seek to undo the massive damage you have done, first and foremost, to the cause of Christ.
Let me first list the items you need to repent of, openly and publicly (for you are a public person, and your teachings were disseminated all around the world).
You need to repent of your abuse of the Bible, based upon claims of latter-day opening of understandings no one else has, allegedly, ever had, based upon the horrific misreading of the books of Revelation and Daniel. The Bible is not a code book, Mr. Camping, and it never has been. You have attacked the grammatical/historical means of honoring the intention and meaning of the original authors, and in so doing, have turned the Bible into your own private playground where you, and you alone, set the rules. You decided that certain numbers have certain meanings, and you alone decided which numbers could be added to others. You told your audiences that you were simply teaching the Bible, when you were doing nothing of the sort. Unless you honor the intention of the original authors, which means doing difficult exegetical work, studying languages and backgrounds, you have no business saying you are representing the Bible. This has been your primary error for decades on end, and I know I am not the first minister of the gospel to seek to correct you about this. Your utterly fallacious means of interpretation of the Bible has led to the mockery of the Christian faith all around the world, and you alone must repent for your willful rejection of the correction offered by many to you over the years.
You need to repent of your repeated date-setting, and your twisting of those Scriptures that plainly state that we do not now know, and will never know, the date of the coming of Christ, until it happens. You have been proven wrong multiple times now, and it is time for you to admit that you have been in error every single time you have argued that we can, in fact, know.
You must repent of your many unbiblical teachings, teachings which have grown out of your rebellion against Christ’s Church. First and foremost, you must repent of your attack upon the church. You must return to the church (I would suggest the local Christian Reformed Church from which you made your original defection) in repentance and seek to place yourself under their care, repenting for your schism. You must openly and publicly abjure your teaching that Satan rules in the churches, and that all ministers of the gospel since 1988 are, in fact, servants of Satan. You must call all listeners of Family Radio to return to their churches with repentant hearts. You must instruct them to seek to learn to read the Bible aright, to seek to interpret the Bible in light of its original meanings and intention, not as a secret, gnostic code-book.
You must likewise abjure and repent of the other false teachings you have been promulgating, including, but not limited to, such teachings as Jesus having died twice, your new annihilationism teaching, etc. You once held to mainly orthodox views, but, when you refused godly counsel and went out on your own, you planted the seeds of your own destruction, which have now sprouted, over night it seems, into the crop of condemnation you now rightly face.
You must likewise repent of the perversion of the gospel you have been teaching, wherein you have not only removed repentance and faith under the guise of “works” (neither are works, both are the gifts of God to His elect by His Spirit, but remain part and parcel of the gospel call), but you clearly, in these last days, added belief in your own May 21, 2011 teaching to the gospel itself, saying that those who did not believe this teaching would experience eternal torment. You have been preaching a false gospel, Mr. Camping, and you must repent for this.
The time for haggling and debating has passed, Mr. Camping. Your teaching has been disproven, and your only hope is to be found in complete repentance from your false teachings. I fear if you seek to rescue your reputation, you will end your life under the wrath of God. Your unwillingness to listen to counsel has already caused great damage to the cause of Christ. You have one final chance for redemption, sir. Do not remain stiff-necked. Repent and turn from your ways.
Alpha and Omega Ministries
Charity Navigator isn’t much better than a scam. There are some incredibly effective and efficient charities out there that get relatively low ratings from this “charity evaluator”, while dip-wad frauds like Harold Camping get higher ratings... go figure.
My first response was to not respond to your ignorant statement; for to do so offers you some credibility.
Nevertheless: How is what Camping did any different than,say, what Bernie Madoff did? Bernie Madoff simply *posted his opinion*, did he not? And won the confidence of countless individuals who lost their fortunes if not their lives....
Madoff is in prison, where he belongs. Tell me how Camping is any different than Madoff.....??
Madoff is a financial hustler; Camping is worse: he capitalizes on a spiritual hustle in order to gain the financial.
I listened to him once. I think he owes me about $50. Where do I apply.
I see that post is ambiguous. Let me change that to
I heard his show once.
But he then get out of his contractual obligations by invoking the force majeure portion of his contract.
“But now that the “guaranteed” rapture didn’t happen, people are wondering: Can Harold Camping or Family Radio be sued? Did they do anything illegal in soliciting donations based on the rapture prediction? And do donors have legal ground to sue the discredited prophet.”
The Mississippi is flooding, there are 50000 foot tornados hitting another volcanos eruption and the slew of earthquakes? It’s here all right. Technology and human endeavor prevented all of this from being even worse.
Well, can you sue someone who arranges a marriage and then the groom leaves the bride standing at the alter? You might muck around in that sort of precedent and find some grounds that might work, but even if you did, I don’t see how anyone would win anything they could actually get to court with. After all, Camping said all along it was a matter of faith, and on top of that had a track record of being wrong on the same topic before.
Because Madoff lied to investors by telling them that their money was being invested in order to generate financial returns and was being done so in a manner that had a history of substantial success. It was all a lie - a false statement of past and current facts. The money was not being invested nor had the past financial success ever occurred. Finally Madoff violates substantial state and federal statutes regarding ponzi schemes. Textbook definition of fraud and statutory criminal violations. Camping broke no criminal laws. If you went after Camping you would have to after every single Pastor who preaches the the prosperity Gospel in order to generate contributions, including Joel Osteen. I think the prosperity Gospel preachers are much more despicable than Camping but would never, ever consider going after them criminally.
“Its here all right. “
Nope. Weather happens every year. Sometimes more severe than other years.
Ozzy should sue Camping?
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