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William Shakespeare Was Probably a Catholic, Says Archbishop of Canterbury
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 5/28/11 | Anita Singh

Posted on 05/29/2011 10:41:42 AM PDT by marshmallow

William Shakespeare was probably a Catholic, according to the Archbishop of Canterbury, who discussed spirituality and secularism in the Bard’s plays with the actor Simon Russell Beale.

Little is known of Shakespeare’s life and there is no direct evidence of his religious affiliation, but Dr Rowan Williams said he believed him to be a Catholic. “I don’t think it tells us a great deal, to settle whether he was a Catholic or a Protestant, but for what it’s worth I think he probably had a Catholic background and a lot of Catholic friends and associates.

“How much he believed in it, or what he did about it, I don’t quite know. He wasn’t a very nice man in many ways – it’s always very shocking, that. The late Shakespeare was hoarding grain and buying up property in Stratford – it was not terribly attractive.”

However, he went on: “The extent to which I want to call him a Christian is not [an attempt] to kidnap him for the tribal trophy wall, but a) because everybody at that time was some sort of Christian, and b) there are things in his plays you can’t understand without understanding the notions of forgiveness and free grace.

“He wrestled with human questions and he ends up saying there is a great deal more to all this than some might think. That mysteriousness is part of what the plays are about. That seems impossible without something of the sacred.”

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; everyinchaking; godsgravesglyphs; shakespeare; williamshakespeare

1 posted on 05/29/2011 10:41:48 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Since when are we to believe anything that Dr. Rowan Williams has to say? The Bard may have been Catholic, but Williams saying so makes me want to think just the opposite.


2 posted on 05/29/2011 10:53:32 AM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: marshmallow
He wasn’t a very nice man in many ways – it’s always very shocking, that. The late Shakespeare was hoarding grain and buying up property in Stratford – it was not terribly attractive.”

Spoken like a true Marxist.

He was investing in real estate and grain futures. He was a (gasp) capitalist!!!

3 posted on 05/29/2011 10:53:42 AM PDT by Pontiac
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To: marshmallow

I read a couple of years ago Shakespeare might have been a Sephardic Jewish woman!


4 posted on 05/29/2011 11:00:20 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: marshmallow
Two noteworthy books on this topic

The Quest for Shakespeare

Shakespeare the Papist

5 posted on 05/29/2011 11:19:13 AM PDT by syriacus (Obama has no idea what a US President is supposed to be like. HIS president was Suharto.)
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To: syriacus
EWTN is re-running a series on "The Quest for Shakespeare."
6 posted on 05/29/2011 11:23:47 AM PDT by syriacus (Obama has no idea what a US President is supposed to be like. HIS president was Suharto.)
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To: marshmallow; All
The English religious situation was highly ambiguous in the time of Elizabeth I. Her father, Henry VIII, made such a mess of it that nobody knew what to profess to stay away from the headsman. Then Edward, Elizabeth's half brother, did his level best to make the country entirely Protestant. He died and his half sister, Mary, aka “Bloody Mary,” tried to turn the country back to full Catholicism. Then Mary died, leaving the country to Elizabeth, Mary's half sister. Elizabeth got to work, combined much of Protestantism and Catholicism into a giant polical-religious compromise, and called it the Church of England. High Church Anglicans could easily possess essentially Catholic beliefs as long as they supported the Church of England and did not express any support for the Pope or Catholic Church. It would have been very easy for Shakespeare to fit essentially Catholic beliefs into the heterogeneous Elizabethan Church of England.
7 posted on 05/29/2011 12:01:36 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: Pontiac

I had family several miles down the Avon, who were hording grain, buying property, and charging high interest. They were rather High Church though.


8 posted on 05/29/2011 12:15:38 PM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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Thanks marshmallow. There have been other topics about this, I'm too lazy to see how recently. :')

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9 posted on 05/29/2011 12:44:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Shakespeare was baptized a Roman Catholic on his death bed by a Jesuit Priest.


10 posted on 05/29/2011 1:10:41 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: marshmallow

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11 posted on 05/29/2011 1:15:57 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: marshmallow
I'm no expert on Shakespeare, but here are other threads about him being Catholic!

William Shakespeare Was Probably a Catholic, Says Archbishop of Canterbury
Shakespeare Did Write Lear; What is More, He Was a Catholic
Was Shakespeare A Secret Catholic? The Evidence Is Mounting…
Shakespeare Scholars Say the Bard was Catholic?

12 posted on 05/29/2011 1:25:50 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NotTallTex

I agree. If I were inclined to the Catholic-Shakespeare theory, having the arch-Druid supporting it would make me think again.


13 posted on 05/29/2011 1:41:46 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Oh most loving Father, preserve us from faithless fears and worldly anxieties.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Sheikh Spear was a muslim


14 posted on 05/29/2011 4:20:12 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: Oztrich Boy

So was Moses!


15 posted on 05/29/2011 4:54:06 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: marshmallow
rowan: He wasn’t a very nice man in many ways – it’s always very shocking, that. The late Shakespeare was hoarding grain and buying up property in Stratford – it was not terribly attractive.”

Firstly, I think the entire premise about Shakespeare being Catholic or Anglican is infinitely debatable with no definite proof one way or the other. Most likely he WAS Catholic, but I don't see it making a difference at all -- he was pretty definitely not a Puritan/Calvinist, but he could have been a High Church Anglican

Secondly, Rowan seems to think Willy-boy was not nice because he practiced capitalism....

16 posted on 05/30/2011 12:22:14 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Pontiac
I'm not so sure about the goodness of hoarding grain, but then I need to read on whether there was food shortages, on whether Will actually DID this (concrete proof) and on whether he did this for his own extended family as well (remember that until the 1800s folks who "made it" would support their extended families and poorer relatives too.

About real estate buying -- come on, a guy writing plays probably thought that he never knew when the money would dry up, whereas if you had land, you could always have some money or goods coming in -- that's how the nobility had survived and quite frankly how most survived in the pre-Industrial era. What was wrong with him buying up property to ensure his and his descendents future?

17 posted on 05/30/2011 12:26:03 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Little Bill; Belteshazzar; redgolum

I wonder how many freepers now know the difference between High Church and Low Church? I think the Lutherans also had the same concept. is that correct, Belt, red?


18 posted on 05/30/2011 12:28:53 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Oztrich Boy
Sheikh Spear was a muslim

Brilliant zoke!

19 posted on 05/30/2011 12:43:28 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Moses he knowses his toeses are roses but Moses supposes erroneously (*cue for Gene Kelly dance*)


20 posted on 05/30/2011 12:44:29 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Cronos

Somewhat. Most Synods don’t have a clear divide between High and low, and the LCMS is more of a high church synod than not. But the divide is there.


21 posted on 05/30/2011 6:44:14 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

Do you reckon folks know the difference? I was just reading an interesting short Fr. Brown story by GK Chesterton and he pointed it out that most English folks in the 30s didn’t know! Well, of course I doubt I knew the difference until I was in my 20s


22 posted on 05/30/2011 7:45:09 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Cronos

Depends on how many parishes they have been to, and where.


23 posted on 05/30/2011 8:07:50 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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