Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Cafeteria Catholics: Arnold and Maria Schwarznegger
Speroforum ^ | June 6, 2011 | Mary Ann Kreitzer

Posted on 06/06/2011 3:26:30 PM PDT by NYer

Betrayal -- that's what living a cafeteria lifestyle means, so it's hard to feel too sorry for proud, self-proclaimed "cafeteria Catholic" Maria Shriver who is experiencing the reality of betrayal from her cafeteria husband. In 2008, Shriver told the world, via the Washington Post's religion blog, that she chooses what she wants from Church teaching:

"Even though I consider myself a Catholic in good standing, I disagree with a lot of the teachings of the Church....I don’t believe that if someone’s divorced they shouldn’t get Communion; I don’t believe that people who are gay shouldn’t be accepted into the Church… I’m pro-choice, I believe women should have that right....women should have a larger role in the Catholic Church." - Maria Shriver Schwarzenegger .

In other words, "I do it my way!" God's way be damned!

Maria Shriver Schwarzenegger     called herself a cafeteria Catholic at the time and, while claiming to pray every day and to love her parish priest, it's clear she wasn't praying for her conscience to conform to the teachings of Christ articulated through the Church He founded on "the rock" of Peter.

Why has Shriver stayed in the Church? She likes the social justice teachings (and maybe the stained glass windows and the bingo). Among the Church teachings she was willing to throw out are the pesky ones about the indissolubility of marriage. After all, she wanted the divorced who attempt new marriages without a declaration of nullity to receive the Eucharist -- so much for respecting sacramental marriage!

So how can Shriver, the cafeteria Catholic, complain about Arnold Schwarzenegger , the cafeteria husband? Schwarzenegger  was also a cafeteria Catholic who promised his faith would never interfere with his decisions as governor of California. It's obvious he also didn't believe in those pesky vows he took on his wedding day -- or he changed his mind along the way when they interfered with his "right to choose" a little whoopy on the side.

Maria and Arnie both betrayed Christ and the Church as cafeteria Catholics by picking and choosing the doctrines they would follow and those they would reject. Arnie just took the betrayal a step farther by being a cafeteria husband who played fast and loose with the vows he made to Maria on their wedding day. But if you don't respect your obligations to Christ and His Church, why would you respect your obligations to another person?

The pain and damage Schwarzenegger has caused his family (His son Patrick changed his name to Shriver on his facebook page.) mirrors the pain sin causes to Jesus Christ. The reality is that the cafeteria lifestyle is a betrayal. Once you accept it, you have no grounds for complaining about the cafeteria choices made by others.

Just as Maria felt she could be a Catholic "in good standing" while she cheated on the faith, Arnie may have felt he could be a husband "in good standing" while he cheated on Maria. Those who live the cafeteria lifestyle need to realize some of the choices available on the food bar are poison. The only healthy response is to close the cafeteria and return to the solid food offered at the banquet table of the Church. Let's pray that Maria and Arnie make that choice, for the sake of their own souls and the example they leave for their children.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: abortion; adultery; arnoldlegacy; cafeteriacatholic; cafeteriacatholics; catholic; feminaziagenda; homosexualagenda; kennedy; liberalcatholic; liberalcatholics; liberalromancatholic; mariashriver; rcc; romancatholic; romancatholicism; schwarzenegger; shriver

1 posted on 06/06/2011 3:26:30 PM PDT by NYer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: NYer

A kennedy on the receiving end of someone acting like a kennedy.


2 posted on 06/06/2011 3:27:41 PM PDT by Daveinyork
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
The pain and damage Schwarzenegger has caused his family (His son Patrick changed his name to Shriver on his facebook page.) mirrors the pain sin causes to Jesus Christ.

Sin effects the entire community. In this instance, one can see how those sins have impacted the immediate and extended community - even those disaffected from the catholic faith.

3 posted on 06/06/2011 3:28:46 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Ouch. That’s going to leave a mark.


4 posted on 06/06/2011 3:29:11 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Just once I'd like someone to call me 'Sir' without adding 'You're making a scene.' - Homer Simpson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

I think they both knew where that train was going when they bought their tickets.


5 posted on 06/06/2011 3:35:20 PM PDT by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Daveinyork

The Catholic Church is not a democratic institution and has never claimed to be democratic. You take it or leave it. A lot of people (including Maria Shriver) have left it. She should go join the Epicopalian church. They will take anybody.


6 posted on 06/06/2011 3:37:19 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: mrs. a

Lol! Love the analogy. Thanks for the post and ping.


7 posted on 06/06/2011 3:38:01 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Daveinyork
"A kennedy on the receiving end of someone acting like a kennedy."

kennedy karma ... even the Irish know they're poison ...

8 posted on 06/06/2011 3:44:24 PM PDT by StAnDeliver
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Daveinyork

Interesting article. It’s also important to choose a partner who has grace, dignity and ethics. My husband had an old-fashioned, 1950s Catholic education - with the nuns yelling at him and the priest glaring at him when he goofed up as an altar boy. He is a lapsed Catholic but he has never shed his Catholic ethics. How could he? Those nuns will come after him in bad dreams!


9 posted on 06/06/2011 3:45:14 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: NYer

“Even though I consider myself a Catholic in good standing, I disagree with a lot of the teachings of the Church....”

.
Ex cathedra.


10 posted on 06/06/2011 3:49:49 PM PDT by 353FMG
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer
"Maria Shriver Schwarzenegger called herself a cafeteria Catholic at the time and, while claiming to pray every day and to love her parish priest"

Who cares if she loves her priest, he's just a mortal like the rest of us. She's supposed to love the Father and Son. I have taken several people, ones I know to be democraps, in my parish to task over the "cafeteria" issue. I first ask them if they know what the five Catholic "non-negotiables" are. For the non-Catholics here, those are (1)abortion (2) gay marriage, (3) euthanasia, (4) human cloning and (5) embryonic stem cell research. About 75% can't name them, which really shocks me. I then state them for them. And then ask them how they can say they are a good Catholic if they are a democrat and support their philosophies. And how you can't say you are against abortion but for embryonic stem cell research or human cloning. In for a penny, in for the whole pound. Without variation, I get a litany of rationalizations. You either support the Church's teachings or you don't. If you cannot support ALL of them, you need to go to another church which is more "enlightened" like the Episcopal Church. I apparently pissed a couple of them off so badly, they complained to the priest about it and he pulled me aside and we chatted about it. By the time we were done philosophizing, he came to agree that as parishioners we have a duty to talk about the Church to other parishioners and to bring ones who are astray back to the path. I just need to do it a little less "assertively". LOL.
11 posted on 06/06/2011 3:54:06 PM PDT by NWFLConservative (Game On!.................Saracuda 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

>>”Even though I consider myself a Catholic in good standing, I disagree with a lot of the teachings of the Church....I don’t believe that if someone’s divorced they shouldn’t get Communion; I don’t believe that people who are gay shouldn’t be accepted into the Church… I’m pro-choice, I believe women should have that right....women should have a larger role in the Catholic Church.” - Maria Shriver Schwarzenegger .<<

IOW, she is a Methodist. Or just a run of the mill 4-square church-ist. Or maybe a scientologist.

By definition in that one statement she rejects the pillars of Catholicism.

I may have left the Church but I defend her right and duty to define herself.


12 posted on 06/06/2011 3:54:44 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: StAnDeliver

You know, the Irish now blame US for the IRA. You can’t go to an Irish forum without them bringing up “American” support of the IRA (the stupid jerks!) I point out to them that they idolized the Kennedys and Ted Kennedy in particular (and his mini-me Peter King who now, blessedly, is anti-terrorist) who were leaders in IRA sympathy. So, what I’m saying is that the Irish do not know that they are poison - unless you know something I don’t know. I hope you do!

The Irish are an ungrateful, hateful, anti-American bunch (I know what I’m talking about) and now that the Celtic Tiger has imploded, I really resent them showing up in NYC (where I live), working in jobs that I, personally, would rather go to people who love my country.


13 posted on 06/06/2011 3:57:10 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: NWFLConservative

>>By the time we were done philosophizing, he came to agree that as parishioners we have a duty to talk about the Church to other parishioners and to bring ones who are astray back to the path. I just need to do it a little less “assertively”. LOL. <<

My break with the Church was structural. That “bring ones astray back” sounds a heck of a lot like RINO philosophy — we believe in A, B and C — that is, unless if we give in on B and C you will vote (R).

The Holy See(s) across so many years — this one in particular — are more than clear on the subject. You are all in as a Catholic or you are just something else.


14 posted on 06/06/2011 3:58:29 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: freedumb2003

The ELCA would welcome her with open arms.


15 posted on 06/06/2011 3:58:51 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Palladin

>>The ELCA would welcome her with open arms<<

You got me. ELCA?

And looking up acronyms on Google is like looking up sex terms... (not that I know about the latter, mind you)


16 posted on 06/06/2011 4:00:42 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: forgotten man

An Episcopalian appealed to Rome to block a Kennedy’s attempt to dump her and remarry. Her petition was granted and her Kennedy husband did not get his annulment.
There are good and bad people in both churches.


17 posted on 06/06/2011 4:02:24 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Good article. I guess Maria stayed in the Church out of sheer habit, or maybe for her mother. She needs to re-think her commitment to the faith, and if she truly doesn’t wish to follow Catholic teachings, she can join the liberal Anglicans. They seem to be diminishing by the day; I’m sure they’d welcome her and Arnold.


18 posted on 06/06/2011 4:12:37 PM PDT by SuziQ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Someday an Angel is going to tell her that what she thinks matters not.

LLS


19 posted on 06/06/2011 4:13:02 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("If you lie hard enough and sell your soul... you can scam your way to the top" barack obama)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SuziQ

I watched Arnold at Reagans funeral the other day. He crossed himself backwards.


20 posted on 06/06/2011 4:37:56 PM PDT by RummyChick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: miss marmelstein

I recently returned from a three week visit to Ireland, mostly in the western part near Galway but several days in Dublin. I found everyone to be very friendly and hold a genuine friendship to Americans.

I certainly cannot understand how any Irish person could blame the US for the IRA. Was not the IRA formed by Michael
Collins in about 1918?


21 posted on 06/06/2011 4:45:53 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: miss marmelstein

I recently returned from a three week visit to Ireland, mostly in the western part near Galway but several days in Dublin. I found everyone to be very friendly and hold a genuine friendship to Americans.

I certainly cannot understand how any Irish person could blame the US for the IRA. Was not the IRA formed by Michael
Collins in about 1918?


22 posted on 06/06/2011 4:46:06 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: NYer
The reasons there are so many cafeteria Catholics in the American Church is that Catholicism is, at least in the Protestant United States, a minority ethnic religion. Catholic identity is not so much religious beliefs as us vs. them, and "us" are Irish (or Italians or Poles or Hispanics), urban, Democrats, and Catholics. Everyone born into a traditionally Catholic ethnic group feels entitled to be considered a "good Catholic" regardless of anything he does or believes. For these people being told they could theoretically be kicked out of the Catholic Church is like being told they could be kicked out of the Irish ethnicity.

The problem of "ethnic only" Jews has often been commented upon by Torah Jews and by religious conservatives. Perhaps the Church should issue some sort of statement to the effect that there is no such thing as an "ethnic only" Catholic. Of course, that won't happen, and if it did, no one would pay attention anyway.

23 posted on 06/06/2011 4:46:35 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freedumb2003

Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (the liberal Lutherans).

The conservative Luthies are the Missouri Synod.


24 posted on 06/06/2011 4:58:13 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Palladin

>>Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (the liberal Lutherans).<<

Ah. Thanks!

Why does the idea of liberal Lutherans make me slightly anxious...?


25 posted on 06/06/2011 5:00:55 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: NYer

At least she was honest

Luk 11:39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.


26 posted on 06/06/2011 5:10:09 PM PDT by RnMomof7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RummyChick
I watched Arnold at Reagans funeral the other day. He crossed himself backwards.

The Eastern and Western Churches formerly did right to left; over the last millennium, the practice in the West has gradually changed. Pope Innocent III ca. 1200 gave the instruction for right to left. Was not able to find a good explanation for the change.

27 posted on 06/06/2011 5:24:57 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: MarkBsnr

That was lousy wording.

I meant to say that the Orthodox still to this day do right to left. Perhap Ahhhnuld was influenced by the Orthodox in his life. In Europe, the wedding band is normally worn on the right hand, as well.


28 posted on 06/06/2011 5:31:44 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Zionist Conspirator

Well, in part. The Church sought to unify the many immigrants by accomodating their national cultures under a hierarchy that was predominantly Irish. They were opposed by the Germans, but the Germans were limited by the fact that the Germans were not AN ethnic group but several ethnic groups speaking—more or less- the same language. Speaking English, the Irish could appeal to the second generation of all nationalities who wanted a more Americanized version of thei own faith. However, as the Irish themselves became assimilated, they —like the Kennedies—to model themselves after the Protestant Establishment. Breaking into the magic circle for them was an experience not unlike that of the Jews. And like the Jews, the Irish became less religious, and so began to lose their identity. The Proestant Establishment has since the 1960s secularized, and it seems to becoming the new normal for the top 20% of the population.


29 posted on 06/06/2011 11:48:10 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: RobbyS

“But if you don’t respect your obligations to Christ and His Church, why would you respect your obligations to another person?”

Thought of the day.

I would say the five pillars of Catholicism are these. If someone asked me to explain to a protestant quickly what Catholicism teaches, this is how I would do it.

1. The Church is not a democracy. We do not vote on doctrine. Doctrine is divine, handed down by God. Doctrine is expressed, in equal measure, through Sacred Scripture and the Traditions handed down from the Apostles.

2. The Church believes that God created Man in his image and that life must be preserved from conception to natural death. Men derive their God given rights from God and are tasked with dominion over all the earth. Men are proscribed by duly established government insofar as said government does not deprive them of their natural rights.

3. The church declares 7 sacraments, all of which are universal throughout the church and permanent. They are Baptism, Confirmation, Communion, Confession, Holy Orders, Marriage and Extreme Unction. Marriage is between one man and one woman for life.

4. The Magisterium is formed from the college of bishops who themselves were ordained by their predecessors all the way back to St. Peter. The head of the magisterium is the Pope who has the authority to speak on matters of faith and morals infalliably through the blessings of Christ.

5. We believe in the unity of the Church through Jesus Christ the Son of God, who is the Son of the Holy Trinity, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. He was born of the Virgin, suffered, and died on the cross crucified by Pilate. He descended into hell, rose again and is seated with God the Almighty Father and promises his return. All who believe in him shall be saved.


30 posted on 06/07/2011 3:15:56 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

Comment #31 Removed by Moderator

To: MarkBsnr

My guess is that Arnold doesn’t cross himself regularly, and when called upon to do it in public, might easily be confused. OR, maybe that is the way they do it in Austria.


32 posted on 06/07/2011 10:25:21 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: RobbyS
My guess is that Arnold doesn’t cross himself regularly, and when called upon to do it in public, might easily be confused. OR, maybe that is the way they do it in Austria.

Both are plausible: one is more plausible than the other...

33 posted on 06/07/2011 5:03:51 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson