Posted on 06/11/2011 11:02:23 AM PDT by Amerisrael
Revelation..... differing Churches:
To the 7 churches in the Province of Asia, listed in chapter 2 and 3. Each clearly 'differing'' one from the other as scripture reads.
Well, no, sorry, you aren't, and they don't.
When you can explain for me how Ignatius' rejection of heretics who "confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again." (Smyrnaeans) and his description of the Eucharist as the "medicine of immortality" (Ephesians) is compatible with Baptist dogma, you will have begun to make your case. (Then you can move on to explaining how Irenaeus' description of Mary as the "New Eve" is consistent with Baptist dogma.)
Until then, perhaps you should stick with the ridiculous notion that Ignatius, who knew Apostles personally and died for the faith, is a heretic, while you, yourself, twenty centuries later, are more orthodox. While ludicrous, that's at least logically consistent with what Ignatius actually wrote.
Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful to baptize or give communion without the consent of the bishop. On the other hand, whatever has his approval is pleasing to God. Thus, whatever is done will be safe and valid. -- Ignatius, Letter to the Smyrnaeans, AD 110
I see their’s a poster once again flooding a thread complete with colored blocks for attention. Good, makes it easy to scroll by.
Yes..and thank you. Most Christians do “assume” they are encouraged to share the Gospel message and be available to the guidance of the Lord to do just that.
How can we be assured of our own salvation if St. Paul wasn't (1 Corinthians 9:27)? Salvation is not a "one time" event, but an ongoing process until "the end" (Matthew 10:22; 24:13; Mark 13:13).
You have got to be kidding me!
Nobody can be that vacuuous.
It happens-—from all “sides”.
On this glorious Feast Day, thank you for this great post.
Thank you, my friend. How true this is, how well you have said it.
Blessed Feast of Pentecost!
Of course. It all makes sense now. :)
Jesse boy could breathe life into Adam who would then proceed to administer a “Wood-shedding” to known “Heretics”.
I think that I'll send my life savings over Jesse right now...
Of course. It all makes sense now. :)
Jesse boy could breathe life into Adam who would then proceed to administer a “Wood-shedding” to known “Heretics”.
I think that I'll send my life savings over Jesse right now...
Correct.
So my question is this. Which do you follow? The church or the Gospel? The reason I ask, is your tag makes it look like you would refuse to accept the Gospel as truth if your church said it was. And the only reason you accept the Gospel is your church said it’s true. If this is true, it would mean you follow your church and not the Gospel.
It is a quotation from St. Augustine in his refutation of the Manichean heresies. I accept the Gospel and I accept Christ as defined by the Christian Church. As we have seen, many here believe in many disparate definitions of Christianity, to the point where their Christianity is unrecognizable.
Correct.
So my question is this. Which do you follow? The church or the Gospel? The reason I ask, is your tag makes it look like you would refuse to accept the Gospel as truth if your church said it was. And the only reason you accept the Gospel is your church said it’s true. If this is true, it would mean you follow your church and not the Gospel.
It is a quotation from St. Augustine in his refutation of the Manichean heresies. I accept the Gospel and I accept Christ as defined by the Christian Church. As we have seen, many here believe in many disparate definitions of Christianity, to the point where their Christianity is unrecognizable.
Wrong. They were to go to the whole world.
“You’re reading your own tradition into scripture, and nullifying Scripture by doing it...”
That is what “Cronos” has done, not “smvoice”.
In fact the big mistake made by the Catholic church over the years is how it consistently nullified Scripture with man made Catholic tradition.
In fact, the “Pope” is an invention of man made religious tradition that has no basis in Scripture, part of the “ecclesiastical baggage” referenced by the author of the article.
"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye NOT:
But go RATHER to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matt. 10:5,6.
Which is exactly what they did. Which is what the first part of Acts is about.
It is in these dens of self worshiping iniquity where the evidence of the perversion of the Word of God exists and one need to look no father than these self absorbed and self serving entities.The gospel of wealth among other false disparate interpretations of scripture have become the icon of the current fundamentalist/ evangelicals.
The need for individual interpretation has led to complete perversion of the Word of God. It has been accomplished without ecclesiastical baggage but reeks of the smoke of Satan.
"For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. And YE ARE COMPLETE IN HIM, which is the head of all principality and power: IN whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision (spiritual) made WITHOUT HANDS, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: BURIED WITH HIM IN BAPTISM (spiritual) wherein also ye are risen (spiritual) with Him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised Him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, Having forgiven you all trespasses." Col. 2:9-13.
The circumcision, the burying in baptism, the risen with Him are all the work of the HOLY SPIRIT. They are all spiritual.
We have partaken of these things because we have trusted in the completed work of Christ.
In the dispensation of Grace there is only one baptism, baptism by the Spirit into Christ. The ONE BAPTISM of Eph. 4:4-6.
Acts 9. The Apostle Paul is saved on the way to Damascus. The Gospel of the Grace of God is given to him as his commission. He declares in 1 Cor. 1:14-17 that he is NOT sent to baptize, but to preach the gospel. Evidently the GOSPEL PAUL IS PREACHING DOES NOT CONTAIN THE COMMAND TO BE BAPTIZED. This is clear. If his gospel contained a command for water baptism, like Peter and the 11, don't you think he would have gladly baptized believers? And yet HE THANKS GOD he didn't baptize but a few.
You can choose not to believe what is clearly stated, but that doesn't change the clear statement.
Or you can choose to follow the admonition of 2 Tim. 2:15 and learn to rightly divided God's Word of truth. Then you would understand that Acts is a transition book of the Bible, from law to grace, from the Gospel of the Kingdom to the Gospel of the Grace of God, from water baptism to the One Baptism by the Holy Spirit into the Body of Christ. If the Dispensation of Grace began with Paul, then anything performed before Paul was saved was part of the Dispensation of the Kingdom.
Including the Ethiopian Eunuch visiting Jerusalem----the Gospel of the Kingdom epicenter.
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