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The Black Sheepdog ^ | June 17, 2011 | John Corapi

Posted on 06/17/2011 10:15:35 PM PDT by sitetest

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I didn't see this posted. If it's a duplicate, my apologies.

Dear Moderators,

Although this is from a blog, it breaks news that is important to many devout Catholics about the status of the suspended priest, John Corapi. It belongs in the Religion Forum.

Thank you.

1 posted on 06/17/2011 10:15:38 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: Salvation; narses; NYer; ArrogantBustard; Antoninus; Claud; wagglebee; livius; Pyro7480; ELS; ...

Ping.


2 posted on 06/17/2011 10:17:57 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

Discussion also here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2736372/posts?q=1&;page=1


3 posted on 06/17/2011 10:19:09 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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Dear OldNewYork,

Ah. I guess I was looking for it in the wrong place.

LOL.

Thanks.


sitetest

4 posted on 06/17/2011 10:21:11 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Quix
Dear Quix,

Although it turns out that this is a duplicate thread, this is still a Catholic Caucus thread. Please respect the caucus rules.

Thanks,


sitetest

6 posted on 06/17/2011 10:25:37 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest; nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; ...

In my judgment, Father Corapi is getting the short end of the stick here.

Anyone else?


7 posted on 06/17/2011 10:27:02 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: sitetest
"Please respect the caucus rules."

I emphatically second that motion!

8 posted on 06/17/2011 10:30:56 PM PDT by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard / Still Think You're Free?)
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To: sitetest
Diocese of Corpus Christi, Texas
9 posted on 06/17/2011 10:31:50 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: sitetest

The other one I think might not have been where you looked because it was posted in news, whereas I think this one you’ve posted is in the religion forum (as well?) and indicated as Catholic Caucus, whereas the other one isn’t, and already has some contention brewing in it. I don’t really know the protocol, just thought the FR community’s discussion would be divided unless people were aware of both. No harm, no foul :)


10 posted on 06/17/2011 10:34:26 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: sitetest
St. John Vianney, pray for our priests.

 
Jesus. High Priest
 

We thank you, God our Father, for those who have responded to your call to priestly ministry.

Accept this prayer we offer on their behalf: Fill your priests with the sure knowledge of your love.

Open their hearts to the power and consolation of the Holy Spirit.

Lead them to new depths of union with your Son.

Increase in them profound faith in the Sacraments they celebrate as they nourish, strengthen and heal us.

Lord Jesus Christ, grant that these, your priests, may inspire us to strive for holiness by the power of their example, as men of prayer who ponder your word and follow your will.

O Mary, Mother of Christ and our mother, guard with your maternal care these chosen ones, so dear to the Heart of your Son.

Intercede for our priests, that offering the Sacrifice of your Son, they may be conformed more each day to the image of your Son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.

Saint John Vianney, universal patron of priests, pray for us and our priests

This icon shows Jesus Christ, our eternal high priest.

The gold pelican over His heart represents self-sacrifice.

The border contains an altar and grapevines, representing the Mass, and icons of Melchizedek and St. Jean-Baptiste Vianney.

Melchizedek: king of righteousness (left icon) was priest and king of Jerusalem.  He blessed Abraham and has been considered an ideal priest-king.

St. Jean-Baptiste Vianney is the patron saint of parish priests.

12 posted on 06/17/2011 10:55:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: sitetest

Thank you sitetest. I am pretty shocked here. Father Corapi has proudly come so far, left much behind and though his masculinity may have been an offense to many, I hardly believe he had any inclinations to return to his past miseries of wine, women, wealth and song.


13 posted on 06/17/2011 10:56:01 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: Salvation

Yes! The enemy is behind this. But more people are praying than ever before for him and the orld. I know I am.


14 posted on 06/17/2011 11:07:51 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: Salvation
In my judgment, Father Corapi is getting the short end of the stick here.

Fr Corapi is so outspoken, especially on issues like illegal immigration, politicians, the 2nd Amendment..perhaps some people were in no hurry to see him get back out there.

I saw him in San Antonio last year. His talks were inspiring, and the venue, the AT& T Center was packed. He was very well received.

15 posted on 06/17/2011 11:15:32 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: sockmonkey; Salvation
I don't know enough to comment one way or the other,just that to me it seems like a guilty man wouldn't make the announcement Corapi did and also that remember the bishops made a mistake with Padre Pio too.

We just have to pray and remember that our priest, our Leader, our Lord is Jesus Christ who has given us His Church which is not just some middle-manager level bishops but us all, we are all The Church.

16 posted on 06/17/2011 11:47:09 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: sitetest

I’ll be honest with you. I am totally in the dark about the validity of the original charges. All I can say is this:

I have read the words of some of Father Corapi’s defenders. Some of his defenders have been hateful and accusatory toward those who have refused to jump to his immediate defense, and disrespectful and nasty toward the Church Herself.

It occurred to me that if these were the fruits, I would have to avoid forming any sort of opinion on the issue apart from this: When people turn their back on the Church, it is up to the priest to show why they shouldn’t.

Driving a lamb away from the flock is wrong.

So when I see announcements like this, from the priest and not from the Church, it makes me very sad, because it seems that this is designed to make people more angry, not less. That isn’t what the priest is charged with doing.

I think the lesson here is that if his fruit is divisive and harmful, it may be good that he not serve, having nothing to do with the original accusations. At least for the time being.

P.S. Thank you for posting this. I had been wondering about a resolution, but hadn’t yet looked for news.


17 posted on 06/18/2011 12:20:17 AM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: ArchAngel1983
I don't know what to think, and none of us know what lies behind these allegations, but I must say there is something about the whole tone of that letter which makes me wary.

Apparently, this priest was a drug user before his conversion. Addicts are never really former addicts. They are, at best, only in remission. And addicts are very manipulative people. The whole way this is stated - about how he is being thrown away like rubbish and perhaps he deserves that - is calculated to cause a reaction of compassion. But although he is very specific about his feelings, he is very vague about this situation.

The present complaint that you have heard about is, as far as I know, from the one person that I can honestly say I did more to help and support than any human being in my entire life.

Hmmmm. That does sound like a close relationship - probably with another person who had problems similar to his own.

18 posted on 06/18/2011 12:48:17 AM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: sitetest
In the final analysis I have only one of only two viable choices: 1. I can quietly lie down and die, or 2. I can go on in ways that I am able to go on.

what is that saying: one must die to oneself to Follow Jesus?

I have always figured Corapi was a fraud, and although his words were powerful and pointed to Jesus, his attitude and facial expressions while giving the talks suggested otherwise.

I feel bad for those who liked him, but like apparitions, you have to ask: Do we follow X or do we follow Jesus?

Several other preachers on EWTN had been accused of stuff,and they went quietly....but I worry that the enemies of that wonderful TV station will use them to attack and destroy the network...here in the Philippines we have lots of Protestant stuff that twist around what Catholics believe so to get converts, but only EWTN preaches the catholic point of view...and the masses etc. are valuable

so could I suggest that we include the network in our prayers?

19 posted on 06/18/2011 1:02:58 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Quix
Thanks for your charitable comments, Quix.

As a Catholic Priest though, Fr.Corapi has to be obedient to higher ups as long as they don't demand him to sin or put him in a situation where he would sin. The best I can say about the matter is that he loves the Church and thinks he's doing the right thing but he is not and is confused. I hope some good friends can convince him to change his mind.

20 posted on 06/18/2011 2:24:59 AM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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To: Salvation

Second it. Very sad indeed, and of all days, “Father’s Day” when we need good priests all the more.


21 posted on 06/18/2011 3:08:04 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Salvation

seems so Salvation...in any case its sad...

I pray it works out...I think some don’t realize he is a man and subject to temptation and frustration just like all of us. He has a gift...and I believe him. I think prayers to St Michael would be in order...


22 posted on 06/18/2011 3:25:05 AM PDT by aimee5291
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To: Salvation

I’m not as familiar with Father Corapi as most here, so it’s hard for me to jump in. It does appear that a good and orthodox priest has been misjudged, and will consequently pay a heavy price. I wish him well, and will pray for him, as well as his former bishop. Perhaps, is there room for him, in some capacity, in one of the, umm, independent orders, such as the SSPX or ICK?


23 posted on 06/18/2011 4:14:49 AM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: Cronos

i believe the accusations against him are true and he is getting out of Dodge, rather than defend himself. his statement is weird and not very convincing. he’s letting “procedure” stand in the way of serving Christ? i think becoming a “celebrity” has gone to his head and now he is bigger than the Church, it’s a shame.


24 posted on 06/18/2011 4:30:49 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: GonzoII

“As a Catholic Priest though, Fr.Corapi has to be obedient to higher ups as long as they don’t demand him to sin or put him in a situation where he would sin. The best I can say about the matter is that he loves the Church and thinks he’s doing the right thing but he is not and is confused. I hope some good friends can convince him to change his mind.”

I agree. This has to be very hard, but many of the saints of the Church have gone through the same(and worse) with the Church. The mark of those saints was their obedience as if to God. They all emerged humbly victorious.


25 posted on 06/18/2011 4:49:10 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: sitetest

I have no opinion on the original charges against Fr. Corapi, and I wish him the best. However, I must observe, as others have, that this statement does not sound very Christlike.


26 posted on 06/18/2011 4:55:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick (One step ahead of the jailer.)
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To: Salvation

I would be very interested to find out the whole story. Fr. Corapi came out of his recent sabbatical with a dyed black goatee. I wondered then what was going on.


27 posted on 06/18/2011 4:59:36 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: sitetest

Well like anything ,give it time.He will be in my prayers.


28 posted on 06/18/2011 5:17:59 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today:))
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To: sitetest

So?....What is the background story? What is the offense of which he is being accused?


29 posted on 06/18/2011 5:22:09 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: sitetest

I don’t have a personal dog in this fight.

I DO think that the bishops are in a tight spot. In matters of this kind due process favors the accused. What can one do?


30 posted on 06/18/2011 5:28:16 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: wintertime

Using drugs and having sex with (one or more) adult women.


31 posted on 06/18/2011 5:38:40 AM PDT by Tax-chick (One step ahead of the jailer.)
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Satan scores another victory.

Continued prayers for Fr. John Corapi (you are a priest forever according to the Order of Melchidizek)

32 posted on 06/18/2011 5:51:24 AM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Salvation

It’s interesting........I thought a lot of Mother Nadine Brown and she is out of the church, now Fr. Corapi is gone as well. Both have influenced me. Either it’s the church or it’s their own egos. Hard to know from this distance. Prayers for them both.


33 posted on 06/18/2011 5:58:38 AM PDT by tioga (2012 - the year Obama gets slapped down....coming soon.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Who knows the real truth here?

I find it laughable, that some, know he is guilty and un Christ like. Many have commented on the Church’s guidelines and reestablished rules for accusations against Priests.

It has flaws. My 14 year old son has to take STAND training to go on a summer mission into Appalachia. I think that is ridiculous and illustrative of the overreaction since the great crisis in the Church.

For those accusing Corapi, I would simply warn, that the Church hierarchy is made up of men, who by their nature are sinners.

Father Corapi could have relapsed and sinned. But is is also true of his anonymous accuser, his investigators and the those in the Hierarchy. They are only men.


34 posted on 06/18/2011 6:05:57 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: Salvation

Yes, he is being so wronged. He’s a real fire-brand priest, tells it like it is, such an inspiring man. Satan wins this round, BUT it’s a mop-up operation.


35 posted on 06/18/2011 6:06:58 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: GonzoII

“As a Catholic Priest though, Fr.Corapi has to be obedient to higher ups as long as they don’t demand him to sin or put him in a situation where he would sin. The best I can say about the matter is that he loves the Church and thinks he’s doing the right thing but he is not and is confused. I hope some good friends can convince him to change his mind.”

He’s on a suspension that, at this point, looks indefinite. If he stays put, he can do nothing. If he leaves that role, then he can find some other way to continue God’s work. Hopefully within the Catholic Church. I honestly don’t think he’ll leave that.


36 posted on 06/18/2011 6:12:09 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: rbmillerjr
I find it laughable, that some, know he is guilty and un Christ like.

I was the one who used the word Christlike, in the negative, discussing the tone of the statement. Do you think the statement, the original article, sounds Christlike? I think it sounds like an affronted human being taking his ball and leaving the field.

I did not say Fr. Corapi was guilty of anything.

37 posted on 06/18/2011 6:12:46 AM PDT by Tax-chick (One step ahead of the jailer.)
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To: rbmillerjr

Why do we accuse or not accuse? It is not our problem and we don’t have to form an opinion.

IMHO Programs like “STAND” and whatever it is our diocese has are for the insurance companies. They provide the diocese with an appearance (and maybe a reality as well) of ‘due diligence’. Without that they can’t get liability insurance. We had the same sort of thing in the Episcopal Church.

In our parish the doors to the priest’s offices have BIG windows. Often the priest sits where he can be seen while the person with whom he is talking cannot.

What we need,what clergy need, is not paranoia but prudence and decorum, again, IMHO.

In haste ....


38 posted on 06/18/2011 6:24:41 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: sitetest
In the final analysis I have only one of only two viable choices: 1. I can quietly lie down and die, or 2. I can go on in ways that I am able to go on.

This is the heart of the matter and it's where Fr. Corapi is making a great mistake.

Those are not the only two choices. In particular, option 1 is a false option. "Quietly lie down and die"?? I presume the word "die" is Father's take on waiting patiently for whatever ecclesiastical processes are currently underway to run their course and to submit to their outcome. It's clear from the rest of his letter that he believes these processes to be flawed and that he will not get a fair hearing.

Herein lies his essential problem. It is a crisis of faith. He does not believe that God is in charge and that, as St. Paul says in Romans, ....."all things work to the good for those who love the Lord". He's lost faith that God can work through the weak and perhaps corrupt humans in whose hands he now finds himself.

As a result, he has decided to take matters into the hands which he believes he can trust; his own.

I'm making no statement as to the truth of the original allegations. Just his decision to (apparently) abandon the priesthood.

39 posted on 06/18/2011 6:31:06 AM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: al_c
"If he stays put, he can do nothing. If he leaves that role, then he can find some other way to continue God’s work."

Regarding the former he could still say Mass, as to the later the former trumps it. In the end we have one less priest saying Mass. The devil is rejoicing.

Regards.

40 posted on 06/18/2011 6:31:59 AM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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To: Tax-chick

“Do you think the statement, the original article, sounds Christlike? I think it sounds like an affronted human being taking his ball and leaving the field.”

Being Christlike is an enviable Christian goal. Unfortunately, nobody reaches that goal.

Yes, his statement sounds like an affronted human being.

Taking his ball and leaving the field? That is sort of his point. The Hierarchy has kicked the ball out from under him and showed him not the Bench, but the bleachers.


41 posted on 06/18/2011 6:51:23 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: MarkBsnr

I, for one, will not follow “The Black Sheep Dog” who, when the going got tough, protested at the injustice of it all and left the battlefield.


42 posted on 06/18/2011 6:57:40 AM PDT by CASchack
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To: rbmillerjr
Being Christlike is an enviable Christian goal. Unfortunately, nobody reaches that goal.

And therefore, the goal should be abandoned and we should be satisfied with our clergy's (and ourselves) behaving like classless high-schoolers?

I don't buy it. I know people "made perfect through suffering," or as near as makes no difference, so I know that laying down the ego is a realistic possibility. However, I think it's a better possibility for the clergy nobody's ever heard of than for the "rock stars."

43 posted on 06/18/2011 7:00:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick (One step ahead of the jailer.)
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To: CASchack

Perseverence to the end is how Scripture puts it...


44 posted on 06/18/2011 7:14:49 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: bboop; rbmillerjr

let’s all get our heads out of the sand. bishops bend over backwards to put up with unfaithful priests, for him not to defend himself is proof enough for me that fame and fortune has gone to his head. it’s a shame.


45 posted on 06/18/2011 7:19:50 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Mad Dawg
In haste ....

In reading through these threads on this specific case, it's very obvious that not many Catholics have known anyone accused - priest or laity - since the Dallas Accord went into effect. I do. Someone I used to work with, who was treated horridly. See my comments on the other thread for what I had to say.

IMO (and this is after seeing about ten popular, good men nationwide who did nothing wrong be accused (in one case by someone he didn't know) and be put on "administrative leave" without any explanation (some stories have been publicized)), the Dallas Accord was put into place so fast, the bishops didn't take the time to think it through. We are seeing in slow, painful motion why the Church has moved glacially over the centuries - to avoid mistakes and injustice. Whether or not the passage of the Dallas Accord was a deliberate attempt to rid the priesthood and diocesan staffs of people more popular than the other clergy, I have no way of knowing, but that's what it looks like it is being used to do.

Now, we have to figure out how the laity can work to explain this to the bishops without bruising the wrong personas....

46 posted on 06/18/2011 7:20:25 AM PDT by Desdemona ( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
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To: Desdemona

i guess he is hoping to millions from his new book, i guess a beachfront house won’t behind.


47 posted on 06/18/2011 7:31:29 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

That’s one heck of a cynical thing to say. Whatever happened has messed with his head and the man deserves compassion and prayers. And, when it comes to the treatment of people accused in the American Church, unfortunately, he is correct. At the very least, whether or not there is any crime here, he is bringing attention to a pretty unjust system put in place by the USCCB, which doesn’t even have any true authority in the overall Church. It’s just a joint statement machine that they use to abdicate responsibility for saying anything under their own titles.


48 posted on 06/18/2011 7:36:34 AM PDT by Desdemona ( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
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To: Mad Dawg

“Programs like “STAND” and whatever it is our diocese has are for the insurance companies.”

Yes, for adults. When an adult volunteers for mock trial or football, they take STAND training.

But a 14 year old kid taking STAND training?


49 posted on 06/18/2011 7:40:02 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: marshmallow

“Herein lies his essential problem. It is a crisis of faith. He does not believe that God is in charge”

On the other hand, maybe he does think God is in charge and he is supposed to go another route.


50 posted on 06/18/2011 7:43:06 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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