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God love you, God bless you, and Good-Bye [Catholic Caucus]
The Black Sheepdog ^ | June 17, 2011 | John Corapi

Posted on 06/17/2011 10:15:35 PM PDT by sitetest

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To: Tax-chick

“Do you think the statement, the original article, sounds Christlike? I think it sounds like an affronted human being taking his ball and leaving the field.”

Being Christlike is an enviable Christian goal. Unfortunately, nobody reaches that goal.

Yes, his statement sounds like an affronted human being.

Taking his ball and leaving the field? That is sort of his point. The Hierarchy has kicked the ball out from under him and showed him not the Bench, but the bleachers.


41 posted on 06/18/2011 6:51:23 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: MarkBsnr

I, for one, will not follow “The Black Sheep Dog” who, when the going got tough, protested at the injustice of it all and left the battlefield.


42 posted on 06/18/2011 6:57:40 AM PDT by CASchack
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To: rbmillerjr
Being Christlike is an enviable Christian goal. Unfortunately, nobody reaches that goal.

And therefore, the goal should be abandoned and we should be satisfied with our clergy's (and ourselves) behaving like classless high-schoolers?

I don't buy it. I know people "made perfect through suffering," or as near as makes no difference, so I know that laying down the ego is a realistic possibility. However, I think it's a better possibility for the clergy nobody's ever heard of than for the "rock stars."

43 posted on 06/18/2011 7:00:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick (One step ahead of the jailer.)
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To: CASchack

Perseverence to the end is how Scripture puts it...


44 posted on 06/18/2011 7:14:49 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: bboop; rbmillerjr

let’s all get our heads out of the sand. bishops bend over backwards to put up with unfaithful priests, for him not to defend himself is proof enough for me that fame and fortune has gone to his head. it’s a shame.


45 posted on 06/18/2011 7:19:50 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Mad Dawg
In haste ....

In reading through these threads on this specific case, it's very obvious that not many Catholics have known anyone accused - priest or laity - since the Dallas Accord went into effect. I do. Someone I used to work with, who was treated horridly. See my comments on the other thread for what I had to say.

IMO (and this is after seeing about ten popular, good men nationwide who did nothing wrong be accused (in one case by someone he didn't know) and be put on "administrative leave" without any explanation (some stories have been publicized)), the Dallas Accord was put into place so fast, the bishops didn't take the time to think it through. We are seeing in slow, painful motion why the Church has moved glacially over the centuries - to avoid mistakes and injustice. Whether or not the passage of the Dallas Accord was a deliberate attempt to rid the priesthood and diocesan staffs of people more popular than the other clergy, I have no way of knowing, but that's what it looks like it is being used to do.

Now, we have to figure out how the laity can work to explain this to the bishops without bruising the wrong personas....

46 posted on 06/18/2011 7:20:25 AM PDT by Desdemona ( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
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To: Desdemona

i guess he is hoping to millions from his new book, i guess a beachfront house won’t behind.


47 posted on 06/18/2011 7:31:29 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

That’s one heck of a cynical thing to say. Whatever happened has messed with his head and the man deserves compassion and prayers. And, when it comes to the treatment of people accused in the American Church, unfortunately, he is correct. At the very least, whether or not there is any crime here, he is bringing attention to a pretty unjust system put in place by the USCCB, which doesn’t even have any true authority in the overall Church. It’s just a joint statement machine that they use to abdicate responsibility for saying anything under their own titles.


48 posted on 06/18/2011 7:36:34 AM PDT by Desdemona ( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
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To: Mad Dawg

“Programs like “STAND” and whatever it is our diocese has are for the insurance companies.”

Yes, for adults. When an adult volunteers for mock trial or football, they take STAND training.

But a 14 year old kid taking STAND training?


49 posted on 06/18/2011 7:40:02 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: marshmallow

“Herein lies his essential problem. It is a crisis of faith. He does not believe that God is in charge”

On the other hand, maybe he does think God is in charge and he is supposed to go another route.


50 posted on 06/18/2011 7:43:06 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: Desdemona

he deserves prayers, compassion when he comes clean about his conduct. he obviously didn’t want an investigation into his lifestyle, and was willing to give up the priesthood to protect his secrets from coming to light.


51 posted on 06/18/2011 7:43:11 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
he deserves prayers, compassion when he comes clean about his conduct. he obviously didn’t want an investigation into his lifestyle, and was willing to give up the priesthood to protect his secrets from coming to light.

Everyone deserves prayers at any time. That's what my Catholic upbringing taught me. And, I know I'm the lone voice on these threads saying this, but, regardless of his innocence or guilt he is absolutely correct about the process.

52 posted on 06/18/2011 7:45:45 AM PDT by Desdemona ( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
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To: Desdemona

we don’t know about the process, he chose to run away.


53 posted on 06/18/2011 7:49:38 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Tax-chick

“we should be satisfied with our clergy’s (and ourselves) behaving like classless high-schoolers? “

Where has he acted like a “classless high schooler”?

...I’m sure if you were accused of infidelity in a very public way, you would want to defend yourself. Father Corapi’s point is that he cannot defend himself and his justice will be based on randomness.


54 posted on 06/18/2011 7:50:33 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“let’s all get our heads out of the sand. bishops bend over backwards to put up with unfaithful priests, for him not to defend himself is proof enough for me that fame and fortune has gone to his head. it’s a shame.”

His point is that he cannot defend himself. More accurately, you should have stated, “bishops bent over backwards to protect pedophiles”.

Now they are overcompensating to CYA....or CTA.


55 posted on 06/18/2011 7:54:24 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr

he can’t defend himself - sounds like a pr excuse, just like politicians quit to “spend more time with their family”. sadly his actions have quilt written all over them.


56 posted on 06/18/2011 7:56:50 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“we don’t know about the process, he chose to run away.”

No, he does know the process and many informed Catholics do as well.

It is you who choose to stick your head in the sand. The Church has erred in the past and it can err now.


57 posted on 06/18/2011 7:59:55 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr

he is acting like a guilty man. why doesn’t he explain what his relationship with this woman was, and release his schedule and financial records. no, he chose to “lawyer up” and then run. innocent men don’t act like this, especially if it means giving up the priesthood. it is a shame.


58 posted on 06/18/2011 8:07:30 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“he is acting like a guilty man. why doesn’t he explain what his relationship with this woman was”

LOL...He is not allowed to say who she is or even know what her accusations are.


59 posted on 06/18/2011 8:11:30 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr

not true, he can say whatever he wants, who is going to stop him. prediction, he pays the woman off with he “black sheep”. book proceeds and then buys more dye for his beard, i guess to make him more attractive to younger women. can you imagine st paul dying his beard? big clue there is a problem.


60 posted on 06/18/2011 8:16:04 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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