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God love you, God bless you, and Good-Bye [Catholic Caucus]
The Black Sheepdog ^ | June 17, 2011 | John Corapi

Posted on 06/17/2011 10:15:35 PM PDT by sitetest

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To: Desdemona

he deserves prayers, compassion when he comes clean about his conduct. he obviously didn’t want an investigation into his lifestyle, and was willing to give up the priesthood to protect his secrets from coming to light.


51 posted on 06/18/2011 7:43:11 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
he deserves prayers, compassion when he comes clean about his conduct. he obviously didn’t want an investigation into his lifestyle, and was willing to give up the priesthood to protect his secrets from coming to light.

Everyone deserves prayers at any time. That's what my Catholic upbringing taught me. And, I know I'm the lone voice on these threads saying this, but, regardless of his innocence or guilt he is absolutely correct about the process.

52 posted on 06/18/2011 7:45:45 AM PDT by Desdemona ( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
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To: Desdemona

we don’t know about the process, he chose to run away.


53 posted on 06/18/2011 7:49:38 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Tax-chick

“we should be satisfied with our clergy’s (and ourselves) behaving like classless high-schoolers? “

Where has he acted like a “classless high schooler”?

...I’m sure if you were accused of infidelity in a very public way, you would want to defend yourself. Father Corapi’s point is that he cannot defend himself and his justice will be based on randomness.


54 posted on 06/18/2011 7:50:33 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“let’s all get our heads out of the sand. bishops bend over backwards to put up with unfaithful priests, for him not to defend himself is proof enough for me that fame and fortune has gone to his head. it’s a shame.”

His point is that he cannot defend himself. More accurately, you should have stated, “bishops bent over backwards to protect pedophiles”.

Now they are overcompensating to CYA....or CTA.


55 posted on 06/18/2011 7:54:24 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr

he can’t defend himself - sounds like a pr excuse, just like politicians quit to “spend more time with their family”. sadly his actions have quilt written all over them.


56 posted on 06/18/2011 7:56:50 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“we don’t know about the process, he chose to run away.”

No, he does know the process and many informed Catholics do as well.

It is you who choose to stick your head in the sand. The Church has erred in the past and it can err now.


57 posted on 06/18/2011 7:59:55 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr

he is acting like a guilty man. why doesn’t he explain what his relationship with this woman was, and release his schedule and financial records. no, he chose to “lawyer up” and then run. innocent men don’t act like this, especially if it means giving up the priesthood. it is a shame.


58 posted on 06/18/2011 8:07:30 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“he is acting like a guilty man. why doesn’t he explain what his relationship with this woman was”

LOL...He is not allowed to say who she is or even know what her accusations are.


59 posted on 06/18/2011 8:11:30 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr

not true, he can say whatever he wants, who is going to stop him. prediction, he pays the woman off with he “black sheep”. book proceeds and then buys more dye for his beard, i guess to make him more attractive to younger women. can you imagine st paul dying his beard? big clue there is a problem.


60 posted on 06/18/2011 8:16:04 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“not true, he can say whatever he wants”

You obviously don’t understand the guidelines that a Priest has to adhere to, when accused.

He can say nothing about his accuser.


61 posted on 06/18/2011 8:23:49 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr

he is no longer a priest, what’s to stop him now from telling the truth? or does he want $19.99 to tell it in “black sheep”? again, the woman will be paid off and he will have millions left over. he’s as phony as the dyed black beard.


62 posted on 06/18/2011 8:27:28 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: rbmillerjr

Maybe it will be in the book since he says he is no longer a priest.I also wonder if he can sue this person now that he is leaving the priesthood.


63 posted on 06/18/2011 8:27:35 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today:))
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To: fatima

yeah, he is going to maximize book sales, money, money, money. and the ladies love guys with the money.


64 posted on 06/18/2011 8:29:37 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Show me the link where the Catholic Church states he is no longer a priest.

He asks that we pray for all involved, including his accuser.


65 posted on 06/18/2011 8:31:36 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr

read his statement, its says formerly known as father. he is chasing the bucs and women, open your eyes.


66 posted on 06/18/2011 8:32:56 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

He is a piest until the Church says he is not...or he formally resigns...I believe.

Deplorable accusation you are making about chasing women and bucs. This man dedicated his life to the Church and to Christ. Honestly, you don’t know anything.

Projection on your part perhaps? Do you honor your fidelity. Defend yourself. But, until you do that your posting privileges are revoked. (just sayin)


67 posted on 06/18/2011 8:38:03 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: Desdemona

You’re not the lone voice.

The process is a joke. I can’t blame Fr. Corapi. In theory, yes, he should have modeled his behavior after the saints. But he reacted in a very human, very understandable manner.

I pray that he will still allow himself to be an instrument of God.


68 posted on 06/18/2011 9:02:45 AM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: rbmillerjr

i have my eyes wide open, i could be wrong of course, but the signs are all there. you don’t give up the priesthood for process. you do give up the priesthood for money and women. just saying.


69 posted on 06/18/2011 9:26:13 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: mockingbyrd

why doesn’t he just come clean and stop with the lawyers, book deal, etc?


70 posted on 06/18/2011 9:29:02 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: rbmillerjr
I find it laughable, that some, know he is guilty and un Christ like

Amen. Fr. Corapi knows he cannot win this battle on this battlefield so he is retreating. He is regrouping and changing tactics. I understand what he is doing here and it makes sense. Many Saints have been persecuted by the very Church they defend to the death. This is nothing new and very old.

71 posted on 06/18/2011 9:58:21 AM PDT by frogjerk (Liberalism: The ideology of envy.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Firstly, Welcome to Free Repbulic.

Secondly, Please refrain from calumny, it is a terrible sin.

72 posted on 06/18/2011 10:05:11 AM PDT by frogjerk (Liberalism: The ideology of envy.)
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To: frogjerk

you say it’s calumny, but that’s what the defenders of Weiner were saying. where there is smoke, there is fire. his own statement says he did more to help this woman than anyone else, he doesn’t deny the relationship. the truth will come out. why all the lawyers??


73 posted on 06/18/2011 10:08:32 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
i have my eyes wide open, i could be wrong of course, but the signs are all there. you don’t give up the priesthood for process. you do give up the priesthood for money and women. just saying.

Has he formerly resigned the Priesthood and has the Bishop accepted it or is he just suspended indefinitely? Please tell us if you know.

How many Saints have been persecuted by the Church over the ages? Suspended from their ministry, not allowed to hear confession or offer Mass? Do you know?

From our American legal system do you believe in the concept of knowing your accuser and the charges against you? Is that not a good and virtuous thing? Fr. Corapi is stating in his message that it is not the Canon law but the selective use that is causing the problem.

74 posted on 06/18/2011 10:12:19 AM PDT by frogjerk (Liberalism: The ideology of envy.)
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To: frogjerk

the truth will come out. be sure to buy his book though, the woman will need a tidy sum to keep all this quiet.


75 posted on 06/18/2011 10:18:47 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: CASchack

So you don’t think this is the devil attacking Catholic priests?

I do.


76 posted on 06/18/2011 10:27:57 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

absolutely the devil is attacking Catholic priests. it doesn’t excuse this priest’s behaviour though.


77 posted on 06/18/2011 10:31:47 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Desdemona

**Now, we have to figure out how the laity can work to explain this to the bishops without bruising the wrong personas....**

And change WILL come from the laity.

In the case which I have spoken of many times, the jury went into the deliberation room and one of the jurors announced, “Well, he’s a Catholic priest, he has to be guilty.”

There were state recrods to prove that the priest was NOT guilty, but it sure took a toll on our own communities of faith.


78 posted on 06/18/2011 10:31:47 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

I don’t believe you have known a priest personally that has gone through this horrid process even though he was innocent of the charges.

Please think about it.


79 posted on 06/18/2011 10:34:06 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

I don’t believe you have known a priest personally that has gone through this horrid process even though he was innocent of the charges. (And in this case, all we have is allegations — no charges.)

Heck they haven’t (Fr. Corapi and his attorneys) been able to review the allegations. Something is very fishy and stinky right here.

Please think about it.


80 posted on 06/18/2011 10:35:44 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

you are correct, but why prejudge the process? especially if the alternative is leaving the priesthood. no, in reading his statement very carefully, i am not buying his story. the truth will come out.


81 posted on 06/18/2011 10:36:58 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Exactly how — with facts — about Father Corapi’s behavior??

Are you assuming that he is guilty already? No trials have taken place.

Are you familiar with how the Church work soooooooo ssslllooowwwlllyyy in these matters.

Please be patient and “Judge not lest you be judged.”

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”


82 posted on 06/18/2011 10:44:31 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: sitetest

Lord Our God,

Be close to Thy servant Fr. John in this hour of trial.

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, in the company of saints in Heaven we pray, Amen.


83 posted on 06/18/2011 10:57:01 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Salvation

i would love to be wrong, but no priest, especially one with a little following, would leave his ministry over the process and false charges. that doesn’t make sense at all. also, innocent men don’t “lawyer up”, when there are no criminal or civil charges pending. why the lawyers? he knows what he did or didn’t do and he has chosen to run. that speaks volumes to me. again, i hope i am wrong, experience tells me i am not.


84 posted on 06/18/2011 11:00:23 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: sitetest

Just wow! Satan is truly after the good and courageous priests!


85 posted on 06/18/2011 11:17:08 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: Salvation

We must pray for Fr. Corapi. This is just terrible. We need men like him in the Church.


86 posted on 06/18/2011 11:18:21 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: annalex

Amen.


87 posted on 06/18/2011 11:23:59 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Bigg Red
We must pray for Fr. Corapi. This is just terrible. We need men like him in the Church.
I'll go along with your first two statements, but not the third. Do we really need priests like "John" (aka Black SheepDog) in the Church? Whole thing is a little bit too bizarre for me.
88 posted on 06/18/2011 11:27:39 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

As a layman, Fr. John will have a greater ability to preach on a variety of subjects. I have listened to him a lot and, from memory, here are some topics that indicate that Fr. John did not have an easy time with the American Church establishment.

- He criticized the mechanism that leaves a good priest defenseless agaisnt a false accusation;
- He blamed the bishops for the sorry state of the American Church directly (”Hey, who is to blame? that is easy: you are”);
- He would remark that at times he would be invited to preach and then the local priest would ask him quetly not to come out too strong (”He says — We have a good congregation here. Don’t mention the s-word please. And I say to him —In a church I am not to preach against sin? Ha.”)

All this is from memory, but perhaps someone can corroborate.


89 posted on 06/18/2011 11:38:28 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Salvation
So you don’t think this is the devil attacking Catholic priests? I do.

Of course I do. This has Satan's fingerprints all over it. Father Corapi has studied and preached of the ways of the evil one, and should know how to combat him. For a man who would preach using battlefield metaphors in spiritual warfare, he is well aware of what is going on and what is at stake. He is running from the battlefield.

I have and will continue to pray for him, but I will not follow him on this act of disobedience to his vows.

90 posted on 06/18/2011 12:29:15 PM PDT by CASchack
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To: sitetest
Are we overlooking a very bold fact here?
 
The Seal of Confession?

91 posted on 06/18/2011 12:49:46 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: sitetest; Salvation
The Black Sheep Dog? What is that supposed to infer? It is obvious he intends to lead "sheep" but what sheep, where to, and with what message?

As others have mentioned, his two 'choices' seem contrived. Another option would have been to enter a monastery where he could say Mass and pray for sinners everywhere.

I think this is a troubling statement filled with more than a little false humility.

Salvation, I respect you greatly, but the question is not whether he is getting a raw deal, but, would you be led by a Black Sheep Dog?

92 posted on 06/18/2011 3:03:00 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“why all the lawyers??”

So, now the Catholic Church doesn’t let you defend yourself?

Just give’m the DeMolay treatment at the stake.


93 posted on 06/18/2011 3:32:48 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr

there are no criminal/civil charges pending. no need for a lawyer. my hunch is this woman has some proof of an illicit relationship, cards/letters, gifts, pictures, etc. it makes no sense for him to quit. again, no lawyers required, the fact he “lawyered up” speaks volumes. i guess it will lead to more book sales, so he’ll be happy about that.


94 posted on 06/18/2011 3:53:13 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Your comment that no innocent person would “lawyer up” shows an ignorance as to how the legal system works. And it plays right into the hands of those who exploit the good for the advancement of their evil agenda.

No one should ever speak to authorities without counsel. Especially when innocent.


95 posted on 06/18/2011 5:48:42 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: annalex

” - He criticized the mechanism that leaves a good priest defenseless agaisnt a false accusation;
- He blamed the bishops for the sorry state of the American Church directly (”Hey, who is to blame? that is easy: you are”);
- He would remark that at times he would be invited to preach and then the local priest would ask him quetly not to come out too strong (”He says — We have a good congregation here. Don’t mention the s-word please. And I say to him —In a church I am not to preach against sin? Ha.”) “

BINGO


96 posted on 06/18/2011 5:48:58 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: mockingbyrd

what are you talking about? there were no criminal or civil charges lodged against him. the “authorities” you speak of is the Bishop and the worst that could happen to him was they defrock him as a priest. so he defrocks himself, even though he is innocent? again, it makes no sense. the truth will come out, i am sure of that.


97 posted on 06/18/2011 6:00:15 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Good, then let her come out with all the evidence, with Gloria Alred by her side.


98 posted on 06/18/2011 7:36:07 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Boehner, you B@st@rd!)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

stay tuned, it’s probably being planned as we speak. he ran for a reason.


99 posted on 06/18/2011 7:39:30 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: sitetest
What troubles me most about this situation is something I found printed on the About page from Mr. Corapi's new blog:
A member from his media team shared “this is a very exciting move for John and his fans, as for the first time, in a long time, John will be directly in touch with this fan-base by way of social networks.”

Fans? Fan-base? These are about as foreign to a healthy view of the priesthood as I can imagine. What kind of a priest would even tolerate such language on their page, or seemingly condone it? And this is from a member of his "media team," whatever that even is. I know nothing about this situation or the rightness of Mr. Corapi's position, but this statement sets off alarm bells for me personally.

100 posted on 06/18/2011 8:20:27 PM PDT by cothrige
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