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Why Should I Study the Old Testament?
Enrichment Journal ^ | J. Birney Dibble

Posted on 06/18/2011 6:47:10 AM PDT by Amerisrael

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To: Amerisrael
Hal Lindsey, Scofield reprobates?

Lindsey clearly is. As far as Scofield, his "fruits" are more obscure, and that is why I didn't call him reprobate.

That kind of rubbish brings to mind the common smear attacks by those who embrace the heretical false teaching of replacement theology:

The only people who engage in any form of "Replacement Theology" are the Dispensationalists who keep replacing the intended recipient of the promises with themselves (eg. Jer 29:11; Josh 24:15 and many others). BTW, "Replacement Theology" is a common mindless smear attack, made in the usual ignorance and malice typical of the Futurist Cabal against anyone and everyone who doesn't share their brand of "heretical false teachings" which is Dispensationalism. And I seriously doubt you can even define "Replacement Theology" that is why its one of your groups favorite insult to hurl at Christians, because you can make it mean anything you want (like your theology).

Its the Dispensationalist who blasphemes God by saying that our LORD's sacrifice on the cross was not good enough and that for one thousand years Jesus Christ is going to be making perpetual blood animal sacrifices to Himself in a cage within a revived human built Temple that He declared Defiled and ordered destroyed. So don't lecture us about "heretical false teachings" you folks own that category.

Its the Dispensationalist who fantasizes about the future slaughter of 2/3rds of the world's Jews and like John Hagee feels that Jews can be saved under the Law and thus refuses to evangelize the Jews. You folks don't even know the Gospel, and rebel against our LORD's command to preach the Gospel to every person under heaven.

Its the Dispensationalist who has no love for the Church and thus denies the Church its place grafted into the tree of Abraham.

Its the Dispensationalist who hates God's Kingdom and denies that it is in effect, while also fantasizing about how Jesus Christ will be profaned ruling temporarily in a earthly Kingdom filled with reprobates and losers to "rule with a rod of Iron" that apparently is so weak that He can't resist them eventually overthrowing His Kingdom.

41 posted on 06/18/2011 1:01:17 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: RegulatorCountry

the council of ephasus in 431 did none of the things you mentioned. pre-millennialsim was not on the agenda at all, and Ireneaeus and Justin Martyr were not declared to be heretics. Where are you getting this nonsense from? the statement that premill was successfully suppressed until the 16th century sure would be news to Joachim of Fiore.
the Kingdom of God is in existence today, and the King is named Jesus. He rules spiritually from Jerusalem, which is The Church.


42 posted on 06/18/2011 1:09:12 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Amerisrael

One needs to read both the OT and the NT. I look on them as salvation history not future forecasting tools of end times reserved to the Father.


43 posted on 06/18/2011 1:10:38 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“The only people who engage in any form of “Replacement Theology” are the Dispensationalists who keep replacing the intended recipient of the promises with themselves”

More rubbish.


44 posted on 06/18/2011 1:13:43 PM PDT by Amerisrael
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To: Amerisrael; The Theophilus

i think you meant to respond to TT. i agree with TT’s post 100%, he said it better than i ever could have.


45 posted on 06/18/2011 1:22:18 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: dartuser

Look to Luke’s account of the Olivet Discourse in Luke 21.


46 posted on 06/18/2011 1:24:13 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: ckilmer
What’s anethma and killing parts of the catholic and protestant churches is the arian heresy.

Other than Mormons, I don't know anyone who embraces that idea - and we all can agree Mormons are not "in the pale of Christian orthodoxy".

What sort of people are you running with where you see this is a larger problem than the American Religion?

47 posted on 06/18/2011 1:32:36 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; Amerisrael
what LNF posted was standard Christian belief, orthodox, historical and biblical. absolutely nothing “heretical” about it. who are the promises made to Abraham for, believers or a certain ethnic group?

"He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well, and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

and again

"so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith. To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, 'And to offsprings,' referring to many, but referring to one, 'And to your offspring,' who is Christ."

Either, the New Testament tells us how to interpret the Old, or, the Old Testament has a different message for the Jew and for the Christian.

48 posted on 06/18/2011 1:48:18 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Lee N. Field; Amerisrael

which makes all Christians ( Jew and Gentile alike ) heirs to the promises since we are “in Christ”.

thanks for posting.


49 posted on 06/18/2011 2:00:56 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

You rely too much upon Svigel, oLofob. You’re also relying too much upon cute word games, much as you did while strongly condemning “pre-trib” rapture, as if I’d said a word about it, when I had done no such thing.


50 posted on 06/18/2011 2:08:33 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: The Theophilus

the arian heresy goes by other names.

in the USA the liberal protestant churches: anglican, presbyterian,lutheran, church of christ, methodist all embraced the arian heresy soto voce. these churches are in steady decline. the change over began with the embrace of a theology in the 1930’s called higher criticism.

The european protestant churches embraced higher criticism in the 1850’s and fell over dead within four generations.

In the catholic church the “liberation theology” has its origins in the arian heresy.


51 posted on 06/18/2011 2:19:18 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
which makes all Christians ( Jew and Gentile alike ) heirs to the promises since we are “in Christ”.

Precisely. The full inclusion of the Gentiles into the commonwealth of Israel.

11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.

Who's the "heretic", I wonder?

52 posted on 06/18/2011 2:33:02 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Amerisrael

If for no other reason I would reccommend OT study for exposure to rules of living happily.


53 posted on 06/18/2011 2:35:13 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: RegulatorCountry

the Catholic Church is not in the habit of celebrating feast days for heretics.
Justin Martyr feast day is 4/14
St Irenaeus feast day is 6/28
i checked around for a few sources, the catholic encyclopedia mostly. i did see what svigel had to say, which confirmed the CE.
where are you getting your info from?


54 posted on 06/18/2011 3:01:29 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

St. Apollonia, death by suicide. St. Joan of Arc, burned to death as an heretic. St. Constantine was an Arian. When are their feast days, oLofob?

It’s not as if the “calendar” of feast days is exactly sacrosanct and written in stone, either. How many “saints” were removed from that calendar between 1965 and 1969?

How many popes have been declared heretic then rehabilitated after death, for that matter? It appears the state of heresy is a sort of transient thingwhen it comes to saints and popes. Whatever serves the purpose during the era in question appears to be the driving force and logic, if any.

So, what’s your point, if you have one?


55 posted on 06/18/2011 5:07:28 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

St. Hippolytus as well.


56 posted on 06/18/2011 5:12:39 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

you are the one who said the council of ephasus condemned justin martyr and irenaeus as heretics, with absolutely no proof provided. i merely pointed out the fact that the Church far from condemning them as heretics, celebrates feast days in their honor. you need to step up your game some.
the main point remains, Jesus reigns now as our King, not in some future literal 1,000 year period. Jesus also cursed the fig tree, and corporate Israel would no longer bear fruit spiritually, in fact unless they believed Jesus was sent from the Father, they would die in their sins. God was now going to reconcile the world to Himself thru His Son and His Body on earth the Church. the Holy Spirit was sent to lead the Church to fulfill it’s mission to make disciples of all nations and this has been happening for 2,000 years. follow 19th century tradition of men if you want, i’ll stick to the Apostolic Faith.


57 posted on 06/18/2011 5:45:26 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
the Catholic Church is not in the habit of celebrating feast days for heretics.

That there are feast days celebrated for saints who had been declared heretic was my point, oLofob, which directly contradicts your claim cited above. There's even an heretical antipope canonized as a saint. What was his name and when is his feast day?

58 posted on 06/18/2011 5:54:21 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

running from your council of ephasus assertions so quickly? why don’t you recgonize Jesus as King today?


59 posted on 06/18/2011 5:57:21 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

I’ve done nothing of the sort and you’ve offered no proof to the contrary yourself. Please do so, and also please refrain from unwarranted slurs implying that I am not Christian. I have not done that to you. A retraction on your part is in order.


60 posted on 06/18/2011 6:04:31 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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